Considering none of my characters in DAI are Ferelden, and none of them are at all period for anyone, what do I care about the Ferelden Monarchy. Its a bunch of scheming ingrates the same as Orlais.
In DAO we had a civil war and a landsmeet
In DAI we have a civil war and the "great game"
not a lot of difference either way.
I'm not saying Cailan never had sex, I'm saying he was doing a good job of not siring an heir with Anora, who admits to the player that Cailan often cheated on her. And yes, Cailan did like Anora, but Anora is emotionally frigid. When Loghain talks about heirs to his daughter, she turns white! And yes, I am well aware of the fact that couples, married or not, do the nasty.
That's why the bandit son of a commoner turned commander deposed your foppish usurper of a king and his army of chevalier. Never underestimate a cornered dog. FOR FERELDEN!!
Thats different, Loghain is pure awesomesauce.
Without Loghain, The Warden & Anora what does Ferelden have? Great future potential being ignored.
The stench of wet dog
A whole bunch of infighting
Brown
Falling apart wooden shacks
To be completely honest though I'm not really A fan of Orlesian dominance in Thedas either (At least not without some new leadership and reforms). Tevinters return to the top or Nevarras turn sounds good to me.
Loghain wouldn't be able to do the Dark Ritual after so long with the Taint.Still, what does Loghain surviving the Joining have to do with Anora not being infertile because of the Taint? Loghain had Anora long before joining the Wardens (if at all), so I don't see the link. I'm missing something, am not I?
Loghain wouldn't be able to do the Dark Ritual after so long with the Taint.
Why not? Carver and Bethany survived if they got tainted and went through the Joining, and the Dalish Warden received a full dose too. Also, how can Anora be infertile because of the Taint if her father wasn't? After all, she was born and her father should have a greater dose in his veins if that were the case.
I think this is just a fan theory. Cailan's and Anora's possible infertility (that it's still not confirmed) doesn't likely have anything to do with their fathers' underground adventures. People in real life are infertile too without needing a supernatural excuse.
Like the Warden and Alistair Cailan and Anora's infertility problems could be down to both of them but if Cailan wasn't infertile why haven't we heard about any children from all those affairs he was supposedly having?
Even to him a child born outside of marriage would make a lot more sense than deposing a popular queen and marrying the Orlaisian empress.
But I don't think Cailan was a person with a great deal of sense, or to be more specific common sense. From what I remember from his dialogue, he was very much a sheltered, self obsessed individual. I mean during the battles of Ostagar, potentially hundreds of his soldiers died or were dying from the taint and his thought on the situation was how 'glorious' the situation was for him.
Also if the PC is a city elf, he'll ask what living in an Alienage is like, and that his guards forbid him from going there, that was ridiculous statement, if the King of Ferelden wanted to go to an Alienage, he can go to an alienage, guard or no guard.
If Cailan was thinking about the succession issue at all (and I doubt it), I'm pretty sure whatever thoughts he had were drowned out by the idea of him becoming 'Emperor' of Orlais, and outdoing his father.
I may have missed something here, but from where I'm sitting Ferelden will indeed be in need of a new monarch pretty damn soon. Alistair and the warden are unlikely to sire children, and Anora doesn't remarry if she rules alone.
People have suggested the mages could help wardens overcome their infertility. But that's speculation; we have no reason to think this is true. The Dark Ritual proves their infertility can be overcome by magic, but we don't know if the child the ritual produces is a normal, healthy, human (and non-magical) child, and we have no reason to think anyone other than Morrigan (and, almost certainly, Flemeth) knows it.
However, I'm no lore geek, but doesn't Ferelden already have rules in place for this sort of thing? Isn't the Ferelden monarch at least party elected? Like the Anglo-Saxon kings, where being the son of the last king merely made you lead candidate, rather than automatic successor? Or have I got that wrong? Because a country prepared for such eventualities might well avert civil war by resolving the issue through diplomacy and politics.
And even if Ferelden's monarch is dictated entirely by bloodright (which would be odd since the Landsmeet accepts either a commoner queen and/or a bastard king), isn't there a closely-related cousin somewhere? This would be a more interesting scenario, imho, if Anora ruled alone, because then the question would be whether they should be looking for a Therin cousin or a Mac Tir cousin.
Also, Fergus seems to be of an age with Anora. So if she dies of old age, it is likely Fergus will be either dead or a very old man himself. I think the champions of the Cousland bloodline should be pinning their hopes on any (further) children Fergus has rather than on Fergus himself.
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Still, what does Loghain surviving the Joining have to do with Anora not being infertile because of the Taint? Loghain had Anora long before joining the Wardens (if at all), so I don't see the link. I'm missing something, am not I?
Maric, Loghain, Rowan, and Katriel spent time in Ortan Thaig trying to bypass the usurper's army on their way to Gwaren. It's implied that Rowan died from the Blight when Cailan was a child. If Cailan is sterile that's most likely where it came from.
Loghain unlike Rowan has a resistance to the taint proven by surviving the Joining. That resistance was probably passed on to Anora. If she's infertile it's not because of the taint.
That's my line of reasoning.
I doubt that they will just "give" the throne to the Couslands, because line of succession doesn't work that way. Eamon or Teagan (Teagan might have heirs with Kaitlyn or Bella) might inherit it through Rowan, or a Cousland king/queen might cause Fergus to inherit it, Fergus being still young enough to remarry and have heirs. Then, while Morrigan said her child wouldn't seek the throne, it would be interesting if the child felt different.
Ideally, I'd like multiple choices based on multiple landsmeet options, including (especially) the child of Morrigan and Alistair or Morrigan and the warden-king being named heir or reclaiming the throne.
I doubt it's going to be an issue THIS GAME, but it will be if they keep making games. Especially if Anora and Alistair died in the breach event.
Maric, Loghain, Rowan, and Katriel spent time in Ortan Thaig trying to bypass the usurper's army on their way to Gwaren. It's implied that Rowan died from the Blight when Cailan was a child. If Cailan is sterile that's most likely where it came from.
Loghain unlike Rowan has a resistance to the taint proven by surviving the Joining. That resistance was probably passed on to Anora. If she's infertile it's not because of the taint.
That's my line of reasoning.
The letter we find from Eamon puts the blame on Anora, but they don't have modern science that can explain/cure infertility. It's also possible that Eamon saw Anora as...for lack of a better word, a gold digger, and wanted her out of the picture. I can see it being socially unacceptable to suggest that a reasonably good or benign king to be infertile.
Of course, she also says Cailan had a way with the ladies. Perhaps Alistair has some convenient nephews or nieces hanging around?
Eamon was choosing his words carefully, in my opinion. He obviously can't say what he really thinks of Anora to his nephew. Seriously, have a conversation with Eamon about Anora in his estate in Denerim. I always get that certain feeling of.....misogyny.
Not that I care about Anora, mind you.
I never noticed anything like that...
Neither did I. Context, please?
Some interpret Eamon's actions to want a puppet-king (Alistair) to rule behind, but I never got that impression. It's possible he didn't trust Anora's ambitions, but based on the ending sliders, she seems to be a good enough queen.
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Neither did I. Context, please?
Some interpret Eamon's actions to want a puppet-king (Alistair) to rule behind, but I never got that impression. It's possible he didn't trust Anora's ambitions, but based on the ending sliders, she seems to be a good enough queen.
Eamon is a snake. There's no mistaking that. He's a lot more subtle than Howe and not as depraved. But a snake nonetheless. Pushing for Cailan to divorce Anora and marry Celene says it all. The fact that Redcliffe is on the Orlesian border and his wife is an Orlesian noble makes it that much clearer.
Rendorn and Rowan would be turning their graves.
Eamon is a snake. There's no mistaking that. He's a lot more subtle than Howe and not as depraved. But a snake nonetheless. Pushing for Cailan to divorce Anora and marry Celene says it all. The fact that Redcliffe is on the Orlesian border and his wife is an Orlesian noble makes it that much clearer.
Rendorn and Rowan would be turning their graves.
Even if I agreed with you, none of that means that he hates women.
Well, I was just talking with Eamon when Anora arrived in the estate. Talked a lot about their relationship, etc. I suppose others could interpret it another way, so I won't call it a fact, but it's my opinion.
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Even if I agreed with you, none of that means that he hates women.
Nah, the misogyny thing is crap.
Well, I was just talking with Eamon when Anora arrived in the estate. Talked a lot about their relationship, etc. I suppose others could interpret it another way, so I won't call it a fact, but it's my opinion.
Oh okay... It's just that I see that word thrown around a lot, so I was curious if there was something in the story I didn't know about.
I think it's not so much that Eamon hates women, that he wants to make sure they know their place, with Celene and his wife being the exceptions. Again, just my opinion
Eamon is a snake. There's no mistaking that. He's a lot more subtle than Howe and not as depraved. But a snake nonetheless. Pushing for Cailan to divorce Anora and marry Celene says it all. The fact that Redcliffe is on the Orlesian border and his wife is an Orlesian noble makes it that much clearer.
Rendorn and Rowan would be turning their graves.
Did he push to marry Celene? I just remember him saying maybe to find someone new.
I never got the impression he wanted Alistair on the throne so he could rule in all but name, though, and it's possible he just saw a union between monarchies as the best chance for peace. As Wynne said, let cooler heads prevail.
It's possible he was thinking long-term about his wife and son. If war breaks out against Orlais again, what's going to happen to Orlesians living in Fereldan, the children they have, and the nobles that married them? "Traitor" is a very serious accusation to a man of station in this setting.
It's one of the things that I like about DA, most of the characters can be interpreted different ways under different circumstances.
I think it's not so much that Eamon hates women, that he wants to make sure they know their place, with Celene and his wife being the exceptions. Again, just my opinion
So... is there anything in the game that you base this opinion on, or...? I mean that's a really negative thing to simply assume about a person... am I missing something?
Just his dialogue in game, can't remember it right off the bat. Sorry
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Did he push to marry Celene? I just remember him saying maybe to find someone new.
I never got the impression he wanted Alistair on the throne so he could rule in all but name, though, and it's possible he just saw a union between monarchies as the best chance for peace. As Wynne said, let cooler heads prevail.
It's one of the things that I like about DA, most of the characters can be interpreted different ways under different circumstances.
Wynne is a presumptuous school mistress that doesn't know anything about anything that doesn't involve magic and thinks that her grey hair somehow imparts wisdom. What does she know of Grey Wardens and their modus operandi other what's she's read in story books while locked up in Kinolch? Same could be said about her knowledge of Fereldan-Orlesian relations.
Eamon is an Orlesian sycophant disguised as a Fereldan Arl. He has most to gain out of 'union' between Ferelden and Orlais.
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