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[Clockwork_Wings]

Warning my post has some spoilers from The Calling and the Comics.

Iam hoping that alistair's line doesn't end. I think of this mainly because of what happens in the comic books. I would love to know more about his dragon blood. Also, I remember somewhere stating that the bloodline of Fereldan was never good at having kids. However, how was it possible for Maric to get a GW preg with Alistair if that was true. On top of that Alistair's mom was somehow "cured" and i wonder if what she went through somehow did something to Alistair's blood...maybe giving him some protection. The fact that the comic also talks about Alistair's blood makes me think that he is something more special then what we already know about him. So here is hoping he has some protecction.

Now do i support the Warden/Alistair having a kid...sure if that is what bioware wants. Just like i support the Warden/Anora having one. Or Alistair/Anora or them solo with another person. Still i don't think DAI will bring up this issue at all. It does seem that many fans want an answer for this. Bioware does listen to their fans and far more than other studios so here is hoping they do give us something on this issue.

I read somewhere that they said Morrigan's child will be the only child Alistair ever has.  They may change their minds, maybe they won't.

 

There's some school of thought that Fiona wasn't the mother, which means there's a third sibling running around, and that might be their ace in the hole.  That's fine, too.  Mostly, I just wanna know: Who is Goldanna?  I'm thinking the wetnurse's daughter, who misunderstood the situation.  Which makes that whole scene kind of stupidly tragic. 

 

I wouldn't mind finding out that Alistair still pays her off or what have you, and if he finds out that she's not his blood, what he does after that is determined by other things the warden did.  Alienating Alistair leads to him clinging to Goldanna, namely.

[Icy Magebane]

I think it's likely that a new line will replace the existing ones, no matter who wound up on the throne at the end of DA:O.  It's clear that there is simply too much variation for them to account for, especially when we consider the fact that Alistair alone has 4 possible fates.  The setup is too perfect, with infertility being a problem long before the Taint was even introduced and Anora refusing to remarry even if she rules alone. 

 

Actually, there's one outcome I'm not sure of... if Loghain and the Warden survive by using the Dark Ritual, but Anora rules alone, does she still refuse to remarry even though her father survived the Blight?

[Eveangaline]

I read somewhere that they said Morrigan's child will be the only child Alistair ever has.  They may change their minds, maybe they won't.

 

There's some school of thought that Fiona wasn't the mother, which means there's a third sibling running around, and that might be their ace in the hole.  That's fine, too.  Mostly, I just wanna know: Who is Goldanna?  I'm thinking the wetnurse's daughter, who misunderstood the situation.  Which makes that whole scene kind of stupidly tragic. 

 

I wouldn't mind finding out that Alistair still pays her off or what have you, and if he finds out that she's not his blood, what he does after that is determined by other things the warden did.  Alienating Alistair leads to him clinging to Goldanna, namely.

 

They said that IF the warden marries Alistair, then Morrigans child will be the only child Alistair ever has.

 

 

As for Goldanna, I assume a woman did die giving birth to a stillborn child around the time they were deciding how to hide Alistairs heritage, and they took advantage of that to claim he was the baby to others, but the doctor had already told Goldanna that the baby was dead. So she hears the baby is dead, then hears about the brand new servants daughter child and maybe even heard the muttered rumors about the kings kid being hidden, and come the wrong conclusion.

[X Equestris]

I read somewhere that they said Morrigan's child will be the only child Alistair ever has.  They may change their minds, maybe they won't.
 
There's some school of thought that Fiona wasn't the mother, which means there's a third sibling running around, and that might be their ace in the hole.  That's fine, too.  Mostly, I just wanna know: Who is Goldanna?  I'm thinking the wetnurse's daughter, who misunderstood the situation.  Which makes that whole scene kind of stupidly tragic. 
 
I wouldn't mind finding out that Alistair still pays her off or what have you, and if he finds out that she's not his blood, what he does after that is determined by other things the warden did.  Alienating Alistair leads to him clinging to Goldanna, namely.

The school of thought saying Fiona wasn't Alistair's mother is on rather shaky ground, now. We know Alistair is elf-blooded. I sincerely doubt that Goldanna's mother was an elf. That really points to Fiona being Alistair's mother.

[Clockwork_Wings]

They said that IF the warden marries Alistair, then Morrigans child will be the only child Alistair ever has.

Ah, so it's theoretically possible that Alistai/Anora could have offspring?  Or Anora remarries?  I don't see Alistair marrying a new NPC or the mother of his child not being mentioned, but it's possible. 

 

It would be simpler for the devs if they decided one thing happens and ascribe multiple reasons for it to happen. 

 

Dragon's Peak is named next in line for succession/takes advantage of the chaos to take over/Dragon's Peak is in charge now.

[Clockwork_Wings]

The school of thought saying Fiona wasn't Alistair's mother is on rather shaky ground, now. We know Alistair is elf-blooded. I sincerely doubt that Goldanna's mother was an elf. That really points to Fiona being Alistair's mother.

Do we know that?  Where was that confirmed?

 

I think it's likely that Fiona is the mother, I just want closure on Goldanna, because plot holes are awful. 

[Eveangaline]

Do we know that?  Where was that confirmed?

 

I think it's likely that Fiona is the mother, I just want closure on Goldanna, because plot holes are awful. 

 

A dev tweet pointing out to people that elf + human = entirely human looking person, and they used Alistair as an example.

[X Equestris]

A dev tweet pointing out to people that elf + human = entirely human looking person, and they used Alistair as an example.

Yeah, someone asked about hybrids, and Alistair was used as an example of an elf-blooded human.

[Clockwork_Wings]

 

 

 

As for Goldanna, I assume a woman did die giving birth to a stillborn child around the time they were deciding how to hide Alistairs heritage, and they took advantage of that to claim he was the baby to others, but the doctor had already told Goldanna that the baby was dead. So she hears the baby is dead, then hears about the brand new servants daughter child and maybe even heard the muttered rumors about the kings kid being hidden, and come the wrong conclusion.

That's largely my theory, although in my version the other baby survived and Goldanna's mother was used as a wetnurse, seeing as powdered formula wasn't a thing then.  They planted the other baby in an orphanage or someplace where he'd be cared for, and Alistair went to Eamon for safekeeping.  I'm curious as to how Alistair even heard out about her. 

Then there's the whole thing about Fiona not wanting Alistair to be a warden or king.  I'm curious as to why Duncan decided to ignore that.

 

Duncan: Huh...well, we know his mom survived the joining, and we need more wardens, so...

 

 

Since Fiona still has an active career in the mage/templar fiasco, I'm hoping it'll come up in Inquisition.

[Br3admax]

It was flat out stated Fiona is Alistair's mother. Why is this still up for discussion?

[Eveangaline]

The Warden has a child with Morrigan regardless of Dark Ritual. There's still hope.

 

I don't see the landsmeet ever agreeing to put that kid on the throne. For one thing he's probably a mage, which means no go, for another, even if he isn't, he's been raised by a woman who has no real political power in ferelden and would be considered probably by most of the country as just another apostate, but this one isn't even andrastrian she's just some chasindish savage woods woman.

 

The only reason Alistair had even a chance at the throne was because he had proof of paternity to a very beloved king and MASSIVE support from one of the single most powerful nobles, who also basically raised him and can vouch for his character, and even then he still easily can lose. And his maternity was lied about to soften it to something not magey and not elven.

 

And most importantly none of the nobles who would vote know Morrigans kid, at all.  None of them can say "well he'd be a good king because of my wealth of knowledge of him".

 

Basically even if this kid exists at all and even if his dad is the noble warden rather than the other options, and even if he isn't a mage, he probably has 0 chance of the throne.

 

Also if they're tapping the Cousland line for monarchs, wouldn't Fergus and his kids be the top choice?

[Clockwork_Wings]

I don't see the landsmeet ever agreeing to put that kid on the throne. For one thing he's probably a mage, which means no go, for another, even if he isn't, he's been raised by a woman who has no real political power in ferelden and would be considered probably by most of the country as just another apostate, but this one isn't even andrastrian she's just some chasindish savage woods woman.

 

The only reason Alistair had even a chance at the throne was because he had proof of paternity to a very beloved king and MASSIVE support from one of the single most powerful nobles, and even then he still easily can lose. And his maternity was lied about to soften it to something not magey and not elven.

 

And most importantly none of the nobles who would vote know him, at all.  None of them can say "well he'd be a good king because of my wealth of knowledge of him".

 

Basically even if this kid exists at all and even if his dad is the noble warden rather than the other options, and even if he isn't a mage, he probably has 0 chance of the throne.

Unless Alistair/the warden-king support/acknowledge him and name him heir.  Can't imagine Anora would be happy about it...

[Eveangaline]

I didn't hope as in "there is an heir", but hope that the Warden can have children if 'he tries hard enough'.

 

 

Ooh, well yeah, they've never claimed wardens are totally infertile with non-wardens. I mean Fiona had a kid, it's pretty obvious Wardens have some fertility.

[Eveangaline]

Unless Alistair/the warden-king support/acknowledge him and name him heir.  Can't imagine Anora would be happy about it...

I still don't see the landsmeet ever looking past the "raised by a non-andrastrian illegal mage of questionable origins" ever when they can tap Teagan or Fergus or literally any other noble or option.

[Icy Magebane]

Unless Alistair/the warden-king support/acknowledge him and name him heir.  Can't imagine Anora would be happy about it...

Why would Alistair submit the Warden and Morrigan's child as heir?  This child would have no claim to the throne in most cases, and even as a half-Cousland, he's still also half Chasind and unknown to the nobility.  This just wouldn't work... but as TheDarkKnightReturns mentioned, it was merely brought up to prove that the Warden is at least capable of having children.  Very capable, in fact, considering he only needs to sleep with Morrigan once to impregnate her... unless that fertility doll she was looking for in Wonders of Thedas played a part...

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Then there's the whole thing about Fiona not wanting Alistair to be a warden or king.  I'm curious as to why Duncan decided to ignore that.

It's open to speculation, but my guess is that Duncan realized that Fiona hadn't given permission for Alistair to become a Templar, realized that Alistair himself would prefer to be a Warden, and made a judgement call.

[Clockwork_Wings]

I still don't see the landsmeet ever looking past the "raised by a non-andrastrian illegal mage of questionable origins" ever when they can tap Teagan or Fergus or literally any other noble or option.

Mage would put him out of the running completely, yes, but I think otherwise if the king says, "This is my firstborn and heir," without blood tests, who's going to argue? 

 

I dunno...maybe by the end of this mages will be able to inherit again...my first playthrough involves three chaotic good mages, so maybe that's an option.

 

Yeah...variables...I can picture the devs going, "We did WHAT now?  How can...how can we even...next game!"

[Clockwork_Wings]

Why would Alistair submit the Warden and Morrigan's child as heir?  This child would have no claim to the throne in most cases, and even as a half-Cousland, he's still also half Chasind and unknown to the nobility.  This just wouldn't work... but as TheDarkKnightReturns mentioned, it was merely brought up to prove that the Warden is at least capable of having children.  Very capable, in fact, considering he only needs to sleep with Morrigan once to impregnate her... unless that fertility doll she was looking for in Wonders of Thedas played a part...

My hypothetical was that Alistair or the warden was king.  It wouldn't work if Alistair was still a warden or the warden wasn't on the throne, sure.

[Br3admax]

No one is going let a mage be king.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Mage would put him out of the running completely, yes, but I think otherwise if the king says, "This is my firstborn and heir," without blood tests, who's going to argue?

The Circle has blood tests. The only questions are whether or not they want this to be public knowledge, whether it is if so, and whether or not the nobles would use them.

[TheEternalStudent]

No one is going let a mage be king.

Tevinter might.
i'm sure the Ferelden nobility would REALLY welcome Tevinter consultation on their next king.
*yes, this is sarcastic*

[Icy Magebane]

My hypothetical was that Alistair or the warden was king.  It wouldn't work if Alistair was still a warden or the warden wasn't on the throne, sure.

Well, if we're talking about King Cousland, I guess stranger things have happened, so why not.  This is all assuming that Morrigan ever even tells him that she had his child, since she leaves and "never" returns if you don't do the Dark Ritual... I'm not sure what would bring her back to Ferelden or why the Warden would believe that was his child after however many years she'd been gone from his life... but like I said, assuming that she does return and the Warden does believe her, I guess this kid would be the legitimate heir so long as he wasn't a mage... or she?  I don't think it's specified that the child is male unless the Dark Ritual occurs...

 

Does she mention any of this in Witch Hunt if she was impregnated but the Dark Ritual wasn't performed...?

[Clockwork_Wings]

The Circle has blood tests. The only questions are whether or not they want this to be public knowledge, whether it is if so, and whether or not the nobles would use them.

..do they?  I'm sure they have a means to test for magery, but paternity?  And why am I just now finding out about these bits of lore?