My hypothetical was that Alistair or the warden was king. It wouldn't work if Alistair was still a warden or the warden wasn't on the throne, sure.
I don't see why Alistair would want someone raised by someone he hated and didn't trust to be in the running to be a monarch.
Yes. She still let's you go with her too.Well, if we're talking about King Cousland, I guess stranger things have happened, so why not. This is all assuming that Morrigan ever even tells him that she had his child, since she leaves and "never" returns if you don't do the Dark Ritual... I'm not sure what would bring her back to Ferelden or why the Warden would believe that was his child after however many years she'd been gone from his life... but like I said, assuming that she does return and the Warden does believe her, I guess this kid would be the legitimate heir so long as he wasn't a mage... or she? I don't think it's specified that the child is male unless the Dark Ritual occurs...
Does she mention any of this in Witch Hunt if she was impregnated but the Dark Ritual wasn't performed...?
..do they? I'm sure they have a means to test for magery, but paternity? And why am I just now finding out about these bits of lore?
Probably because they weren't mentioned in the games? The devs like to release new lore on blogs and obscure internet sites.
..do they? I'm sure they have a means to test for magery, but paternity? And why am I just now finding out about these bits of lore?
It was in the comics. They cast a spell on a pregnant mage woman to make a bright light shine when she's approached by her embryo's father. It worked, technically, but the test still got the wrong conclusion due to the fact that one of the suspected mages was dragged towards her by the Templar who'd actually fathered the child.
Yes.
Fascinating. Care to elaborate?
You asked a question, and I answered it. What more do you want?Fascinating. Care to elaborate?
Well, if we're talking about King Cousland, I guess stranger things have happened, so why not. This is all assuming that Morrigan ever even tells him that she had his child, since she leaves and "never" returns if you don't do the Dark Ritual... I'm not sure what would bring her back to Ferelden or why the Warden would believe that was his child after however many years she'd been gone from his life... but like I said, assuming that she does return and the Warden does believe her, I guess this kid would be the legitimate heir so long as he wasn't a mage... or she? I don't think it's specified that the child is male unless the Dark Ritual occurs...
Does she mention any of this in Witch Hunt if she was impregnated but the Dark Ritual wasn't performed...?
She confirms it's a male, and the warden hears a rumor if the ritual wasn't taken and finds out it's true in Witch Hunt. Don't remember what she says about it if he didn't do the ritual, or if he has the option to go through the mirror or not.
I'd love more options about the child, like if he wasn't a product of the ritual then he has his father's class, or a trait showing what his father was. Blond hair if Alistair, dark hair if Loghain, fine features if a an elf, heavier features if a dwarf....in all likelihood, though, he's going to be a dark-haired mage like his mother, just for simplicity.
I still say just have fem warden marry alistair while keeping zevran on the side.
An heir gets provided, and a good time is had by all!
And a male warden just has a kid with Anora.
It was in the comics. They cast a spell on a pregnant mage woman to make a bright light shine when she's approached by her embryo's father. It worked, technically, but they test still got the wrong conclusion due to the fact that one of the suspected mages was dragged towards her by the Templar who'd actually fathered the child.
Neat! Was that from the stand alone one? Not the Those Who Sleep/Until We Speak series, the other one?
I don't see why Alistair would want someone raised by someone he hated and didn't trust to be in the running to be a monarch.
Fair enough, but maybe time has changed Alistair. I thought it was weird he'd kill Yavana, thought that seemed a little out of character for him. Maybe he's changed, or maybe Morrigan raises a good kid. She does say he's an innocent, unaware of the destiny before him. It's possible motherhood suits her.
Neat! Was that from the comic?
Fair enough, but maybe time has changed Alistair. I thought it was weird he'd kill Yavana, thought that seemed a little out of character for him. Maybe he's changed, or maybe Morrigan raises a good kid. She does say he's an innocent, unaware of the destiny before him. It's possible motherhood suits her.
I don't see why Alistair would trust Morrigan, or still nominate a kid he has no idea if he's good or bad or intelligent or secretly cursed to follow morrigan or flemeths bidding on the throne. Like, that's a huge decision you don't just hand out to a kid you don't know well and was raised by someone you don't like or trust.
Wow ok I forgot the flemeth angle in all this, no one in ferelden will want THE witch related to their monarch. And will Alistair really trust that the kid isn't some big mechanization of flemeths/morrigans plans?
Neat! Was that from the stand alone one? Not the Those Who Sleep/Until We Speak series, the other one?
I think there was a sequel, so that's not a stand-alone, but yeah.
You asked a question, and I answered it. What more do you want?
I was curious about what she says about the child if the DR wasn't completed, but Clockwork_Wings answered that for the most part...
As far as this child goes, it doesn't sound like Morrigan is at all interested in his royal birthright if he's a Cousland, but maybe she'll change her mind in 10 years or so. I still don't really see the child of Morrigan and the Warden becoming King, although he does at least know about the boy, so he might go looking for her again if he never produces an heir with Anora... kind of a long shot, but I guess it's possible.
I don't see why Alistair would trust Morrigan, or still nominate a kid he has no idea if he's good or bad or intelligent or secretly cursed to follow morrigan or flemeths bidding on the throne. Like, that's a huge decision you don't just hand out to a kid you don't know well and was raised by someone you don't like or trust.
Wow ok I forgot the flemeth angle in all this, no one in ferelden will want THE witch related to their monarch. And will Alistair really trust that the kid isn't some big mechanization of flemeths/morrigans plans?
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I meant to suggest that maybe they met in Inquisition. My mistake. My hypothetical is that the plot allows for Alistair to meet the child and form his own opinion.
Not having played Inquisition, we can hypothetical all we want.
I was curious about what she says about the child if the DR wasn't completed, but Clockwork_Wings answered that for the most part...
As far as this child goes, it doesn't sound like Morrigan is at all interested in his royal birthright if he's a Cousland, but maybe she'll change her mind in 10 years or so. I still don't really see the child of Morrigan and the Warden becoming King, although he does at least know about the boy, so he might go looking for her again if he never produces an heir with Anora...
I was speculating that the child wants his own thing. Maybe he wants to be king, or a valiant hero, or a paragon, or Dalish. Morrigan may not have an interest in a blood claim to the throne, but maybe the child does. Maybe he seeks Alistair/the warden-king out, maybe they seek him out, as you suggest, when they have succession problems.
Maybe he shows up in Orzamaar. "Hi, I'm the half-human son of a paragon and a swamp witch. I'd like my blood claim to the house of my father *if an Aeducan* and to meet my half-sibling now."
I was speculating that the child wants his own thing. Maybe he wants to be king, or a valiant hero, or a paragon, or Dalish. Morrigan may not have an interest in a blood claim to the throne, but maybe the child does. Maybe he seeks Alistair/the warden-king out, maybe they seek him out, as you suggest, when they have succession problems.
He'd probably be considered a surfacer, having given up caste and all that.
But hell yes, I want a mage head of a Dwarven house.
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I meant to suggest that maybe they met in Inquisition. My mistake. My hypothetical is that the plot allows for Alistair to meet the child and form his own opinion.
Not having played Inquisition, we can hypothetical all we want.
Would he be able to meet the kid long enough to want to attempt to hand over the reigns of the kingdom to it? (After all him giving the kid support hardly means they'll be the next king, since the landsmeet picks and even if alistair can somehow see past his personal hate for morrigan, I find it unlikely the landsmeet will look past her mageness and non andrastrian chasindness)
I mean why not support someone, anyone, he knows and trusts over a kid Morrigan will most likely never allow him to have extended interaction with? Or who has a better chance of both getting picked by the landsmeet and ruling well?
I mean if there are any other serious contenders the landsmeet wants, unless they are basically loghain reborn, I doubt Alistair will want to fight them on this and put up Morrigans kid for it.
Plus if Alistair is the father the kid had to have been made with the dark ritual and I reeeeeaaallly see that tainting Alistairs view of the kid.
He'd probably be considered a surfacer, having given up caste and all that.
But hell yes, I want a mage head of a Dwarven house.
Grey Wardens are automatic nobility, Rica says so. They have houses set aside in the Diamond Quarter.
The look of scandal on the deshyrs' faces is just too funny.
"Well...his father's the greatest warden of the age, and our only living paragon, but...surfacer cooties..."
I was speculating that the child wants his own thing. Maybe he wants to be king, or a valiant hero, or a paragon, or Dalish. Morrigan may not have an interest in a blood claim to the throne, but maybe the child does. Maybe he seeks Alistair/the warden-king out, maybe they seek him out, as you suggest, when they have succession problems.
Wow... I never realized what a nightmare the writers had to deal with until this very moment. 
I bet they really regret the decision to go with save imports, especially in light of the staggering amount of variables created by DA:O.
Wow... I never realized what a nightmare the writers had to deal with until this very moment.
Eh, considering they get to pick the kids personality and Morrigan may have just never told him who his father is, there's not really a lot of variables.
Plus, since in many many runs the kid just doesn't exist at all I doubt he'll ever come up in any big way that would make his variables matter too much.
Eh, considering they get to pick the kids personality and Morrigan may have just never told him who his father is, there's not really a lot of variables.
I just want to look like the believable offspring of Morrigan and my Warden(s). Old God Soul or no if a black Warden is the father I want to be able to believe it when I look at him.
Like I said, let the Couslands have it
Would he be able to meet the kid long enough to want to attempt to hand over the reigns of the kingdom to it? (After all him giving the kid support hardly means they'll be the next king, since the landsmeet picks and even if alistair can somehow see past his personal hate for morrigan, I find it unlikely the landsmeet will look past her mageness and non andrastrian chasindness)
I mean why not support someone, anyone, he knows and trusts over a kid Morrigan will most likely never allow him to have extended interaction with? Or who has a better chance of both getting picked by the landsmeet and ruling well?
I mean if there are any other serious contenders the landsmeet wants, unless they are basically loghain reborn, I doubt Alistair will want to fight them on this and put up Morrigans kid for it.
Plus if Alistair is the father the kid had to have been made with the dark ritual and I reeeeeaaallly see that tainting Alistairs view of the kid.
Maybe they end up hiding out together? Like, after the rift event everyone needs some place to hang out for a bit, and it just so happens Morrigan and her son is there? Or Alistair has an extended stay in Orlais because of all the chaos and he's negotiating with Celene to fix it?
As for the non-andrastism, being raised in Orlais he might convert (Morrigan wouldn't be amused) or it might not even come up. Are they going to ask, or is it just going to be assumed? Would it even occur to them that he wouldn't be andrastian, if he didn't show up in his chasind best?
Eh, considering they get to pick the kids personality and Morrigan may have just never told him who his father is, there's not really a lot of variables.
Plus, since in many many runs the kid just doesn't exist at all I doubt he'll ever come up in any big way that would make his variables matter too much.
They still need to decide on which storyline to go with if he exists, and that is going to be dependent on whether or not the DR was performed, even if they choose to ignore the Warden's race. I agree that they'll probably pick the simplest plot to avoid branches in the future, but that trend began with DA2. Most situations in DA:O have a wide number of outcomes... so many, in fact, that they had to come out and denounce the epilogue slides as rumors. So while I agree that they will make attempts to ignore or subvert as many variables as possible, they still exist and must be taken into account when the story is being crafted.
Forget the kid being related to Morrigan and Flemeth there's no way I can see Alistair overlooking the fact the he's a former archdemon and whatever being the soul of an old god could mean.
Maybe they end up hiding out together? Like, after the rift event everyone needs some place to hang out for a bit, and it just so happens Morrigan and her son is there? Or Alistair has an extended stay in Orlais because of all the chaos and he's negotiating with Celene to fix it?
As for the non-andrastism, being raised in Orlais he might convert (Morrigan wouldn't be amused) or it might not even come up. Are they going to ask, or is it just going to be assumed? Would it even occur to them that he wouldn't be andrastian, if he didn't show up in his chasind best?
Uh..I doubt that Alistair will totally trust the kid with his support after just hanging out with him one time. Provided again he assumes the kid isn't just a facade what with Alistair knowing he has the soul of the very archdemon Alistair tried so hard to slay. Or he doesn't assume that the kid is a front by Flemeth to gain power.
They're not going to just not ask who the mother is. Alistair had a long standing lie built up for years. This kid does not, nobles will look into it before they consider putting this kid on the throne. They're gonna need a good explination. And even if the kid converts who he was raised by is important. Alistair was raised by a powerful noble and then the church. Both of those are places that would be respectable for a king to come from. A kid being raised in the woods or in the court of their most hated enemy (Orlais) would be a huge problem. Not to mention just having a mage mother at all will be a huge blow against him. "Wonderful the royal line will be infested with mages from hereon out"
And he's probably a mage himself which means he couldn't legally be king of Ferelden since mages aren't allowed to inherit any kind of title in Ferelden.
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