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[Clockwork_Wings]

Uh..I doubt that Alistair will totally trust the kid with his support after just hanging out with him one time. Provided again he assumes the kid isn't just a facade what with Alistair knowing he has the soul of the very archdemon Alistair tried so hard to slay. Or he doesn't assume that the kid is a front by Flemeth to gain power.

 

They're not going to just not ask who the mother is. Alistair had a long standing lie built up for years. This kid does not, nobles will look into it before they consider putting this kid on the throne. They're gonna need a good explination. And even if the kid converts who he was raised by is important. Alistair was raised by a powerful noble and then the church. Both of those are places that would be respectable for a king to come from. A kid being raised in the woods or in the court of their most hated enemy (Orlais) would be a huge problem. Not to mention just having a mage mother at all will be a huge blow against him. "Wonderful the royal line will be infested with mages from hereon out"

 

And he's probably a mage himself which means he couldn't legally be king of Ferelden since mages aren't allowed to inherit any kind of title in Ferelden.

This is true, I'm just thinking of options.

[Eveangaline]

This is true, I'm just thinking of options.

If the kid exists at all, I'm sure there's a lot of options for what he could be, but I think "possible king of Ferelden" just isn't one of them.

[LadyKarrakaz]

Just wanted to say I have just finished reading this thread from page 1, and it was an excellent discussion on Lore and possibilities.

Thanks to all of you for the civilized and well documented posts.

 

I tend to consider that the devs will go for an "easy" solution.  So I vote for the theory of no heir to the Throne, then, certainly Fergus appointed as a successor.

[Clockwork_Wings]

Just wanted to say I have just finished reading this thread from page 1, and it was an excellent discussion on Lore and possibilities.

Thanks to all of you for the civilized and well documented posts.

 

I tend to consider that the devs will go for an "easy" solution.  So I vote for the theory of no heir to the Throne, then, certainly Fergus appointed as a successor.

I don't understand why Fergus would have claim, except through a Cousland warden.  Wouldn't Teagan or Eaman have a stronger claim through Rowan?

 

Unless they don't want it and Fergus is just that popular with the landsmeet.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I don't understand why Fergus would have claim, except through a Cousland warden.  Wouldn't Teagan or Eaman have a stronger claim through Rowan?

 

Unless they don't want it and Fergus is just that popular with the landsmeet.

The Couslands are supposed to be closely related to the Theirins by blood, if I understand correctly. Eamon admits that blood trumps his marriage claim, which is why he puts Alistair forward in the first place.

[TheEternalStudent]

The Couslands are supposed to be closely related to the Theirins by blood, if I understand correctly. Eamon admits that blood trumps his marriage claim, which is why he puts Alistair forward in the first place.

I've looked for a Therin-Cousland connection, where is it mentioned.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I've looked for a Therin-Cousland connection, where is it mentioned.

Apparently it's mentioned that much of the upper nobility has the blood of Calenhad. Until I'd heard that on the forums that I'd just guessed at it since the Theirins would have wanted the Couslands (and others) to be unlikely to come to blows with them.

[Eveangaline]

I don't understand why Fergus would have claim, except through a Cousland warden.  Wouldn't Teagan or Eaman have a stronger claim through Rowan?

 

Unless they don't want it and Fergus is just that popular with the landsmeet.

 

The Theirins aren't the end all be all of Ferelden monarchy. Remember it's very hard to get the throne over Anora even though Alistair was the old kings son. It all depends on who the landsmeet wants as the monarch. Plus didn't they say that that one of the Couslands could have been a contender for the throne against Marric but he just didn't want it? (I may be misremembering that part)

[wcholcombe]

It was flat out stated Fiona is Alistair's mother. Why is this still up for discussion?

Was it now? Source please.

The fact that Maric slept with the 2 elven women he was on a 1st name basis that we know of, leads one to believe that he probably slept with a lot of elves over the years and Alistair being elf blooded certainly doesn't make him Fiona's son.

[Patchwork]

Was it now? Source please.

The fact that Maric slept with the 2 elven women he was on a 1st name basis that we know of, leads one to believe that he probably slept with a lot of elves over the years and Alistair being elf blooded certainly doesn't make him Fiona's son.

 

I hate it, I really wish they'd stuck with the backstory they gave us in-game, but in this case the fanon theory has won out and Fiona is Alistair's mother. 

 

They even re-tooled the timeline in WOT to make it work. 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I hate it, I really wish they'd stuck with the backstory they gave us in-game, but in this case the fanon theory has won out and Fiona is Alistair's mother. 

 

They even re-tooled the timeline in WOT to make it work. 

Fanon? Really? It seemed to me that the book was specifically meant to imply it, rather than it just being something that the fans came up with.

[wcholcombe]

I hate it, I really wish they'd stuck with the backstory they gave us in-game, but in this case the fanon theory has won out and Fiona is Alistair's mother.

They even re-tooled the timeline in WOT to make it work.

Unless I see something from a dev saying it, then it is still just head canon.

Sorry I don't buy Alistair is Fiona's.

[Zu Long]

In my universe, I'm thinking alistair's kid goes back to claim his heritage. Technically Morrigan agreed not to put him forward and claim the throne as regent, but that doesn't prevent him from coming back on his own one day.

Edit: the really interesting thing is no matter who the kid's father is- Alistair, Loghain or M!Cousland... the OGB still has a pretty firm claim to the throne.

[Patchwork]

Fanon? Really? It seemed to me that the book was specifically meant to imply it, rather than it just being something that the fans came up with.

 

Yes fanon because even now it hasn't been confirmed. This subject has been debated for years, it almost as old as mages verses templars, and to me it does look like BW are considering throwing the fandom a bone because ultimately it doesn't matter who Alistair's mother is.  

[Eveangaline]

In my universe, I'm thinking alistair's kid goes back to claim his heritage. Technically Morrigan agreed not to put him forward and claim the throne as regent, but that doesn't prevent him from coming back on his own one day.

Edit: the really interesting thing is no matter who the kid's father is- Alistair, Loghain or M!Cousland... the OGB still has a pretty firm claim to the throne.

 

No proof of Paternity, likely being a mage (and therefor barred from inheriting titles in Ferelden), being a bastard raised by a chasind woods woman illegal mage who has ties to their most hated political enemy and not actually being raised among/knowing the nobility of Ferelden who are the ones who actually get to pick who gets to be on the throne....that's not really a firm claim to the throne. There's really no conceivable reason the Landsmeet would let him anywhere near it.

 

Not that I'm trying to crap on your headcanon, sorry if it sounded like that. I mean I have some silly and very unlikely headcanons myself, and ima stick with them till bioware says otherwise.

[Clockwork_Wings]

I'm behind on the books but I read up on Fiona.  There's a very real possibility we'll meet her in game.  Maybe we'll get an answer then.  On the other hand, if they introduce another blond, elfblooded Theirin, then we'll know.

[Zu Long]

Was it now? Source please.

The fact that Maric slept with the 2 elven women he was on a 1st name basis that we know of, leads one to believe that he probably slept with a lot of elves over the years and Alistair being elf blooded certainly doesn't make him Fiona's son.

It's been confirmed. Source is mike laidlaw back on jul 8th who said it flat out. You can find a link to the tweet series on fiona's dragon age wiki page. I'd link it but I'm on my phone.

[Zu Long]

No proof of Paternity, likely being a mage (and therefor barred from inheriting titles in Ferelden), being a bastard raised by a chasind woods woman illegal mage who has ties to their most hated political enemy and not actually being raised among/knowing the nobility of Ferelden who are the ones who actually get to pick who gets to be on the throne....that's not really a firm claim to the throne. There's really no conceivable reason the Landsmeet would let him anywhere near it.

Like they wouldn't dream of a bastard son in the grey wardens with nothing backing him up being king? Desparate times and all that. People will swallow a lot if it means avoiding civil war- especially if dad lives long enough to confirm him.

[animedreamer]

Anora is a smart girl, i can't possibly see why she didn't fake pregnacy at the first whisper of Cailan's death. She could have put on a mask and got any man in Ferelden to then knock her up and then claimed it was Cailan's. Paternity test didn't exist back then unless there is a blood mage named Maury out there. This way her crown wouldn't have been at risk at all, from her father or Alistair. 

[Eveangaline]

Like they wouldn't dream of a bastard son in the grey wardens with nothing backing him up being king? Desparate times and all that. People will swallow a lot if it means avoiding civil war- especially if dad lives long enough to confirm him.

 

With nothing backing him up?

 

Did you forget Arl Eamon existed? One of the most powerful nobles of Ferelden who both raised him, could vouch for his paternity, was trusted and well liked by the other nobles, and had long since hidden the fact that Alistair was half elf and had a mage mother. Alistair was raised by a noble among nobles, and then the church, two respected places and then joined a respected order. He was in a much better position than morrigans kid, and the warden still has to move heaven and earth for him to have a chance at beating Anora.

 

Also, why are people desperate and why is there a civil war looming? Alistair failing to make an heir doesn't mean automatic civil war. He can likely find someone popular enough that he likes among the nobility to nominate as his heir. One of the Couslands, maybe Teagan. There's no indication there would be any civil war or desperate situation for Morrigans kid to take advantage of. And his mother is still publicly a chasind looking illegal mage non-andrastian who spent years working for their biggest political enemy which wow, the landsmeet is not going to accept easily at all.

 

Yeah if they just want to say that if the dad was Cousland and he basically player character goddmodded the kid into somehow being a king candidate sure that's an ok headcanon, but saying the kid has a firm claim is silly.

[Asdrubael Vect]

 

Depending on our choices in Dragon Age: Origins we, for better or worse, decide the fate of this great nation in the south.

 

Regardless of who rules (Alistair, Anora, Cousland Warden) one thing is clear. There is no heir. Before the civil war Cailan and Anora had trouble siring/bearing a child. Whether it was Cailan who was sterile (which is a distinct possibility because of the suspected cause of Queen Rowan's premature death) or Anora that was infertile is up for debate.

 

If we go by The Last Flight the year is 9:42 Dragon. Alistair and the Warden would have been tainted for more than a decade and Queen Anora would be in her forties making an heir an unlikely possibility. So in all that time the most powerful people in Ferelden didn't think of asking the Circle of Magi, whom again depending on choice was spared by Alistair and the Warden, for help?

 

My interest in this also stems out of a concern for the Theirin bloodline which doesn't apply to the Warden (what can I say I'm a progressive traditionalist). Is this how the bloodline of Calenhad ends? A fool martyr and a tainted bastard? What about the nation itself? Is it civil war as the Couslands and Guerrins vie for the Crown? If this heir issue doesn't get resolved I fear another Orlesian occupation as the nobles squabble over who gets to sit on the throne.

 

What are your thoughts on this my fellow forum goers?

i was deal with this sinse DAO

 

my male elf mage put Alister as a king alone

 

the only heir of Ferelen is Conor son of Eamon the most influced and stronger from all Arls of Ferelden

 

this is why i sacrifise his Orlais stupid mother Isolde and he was sended to Tevinter for the best education what he can found in Thedas.

 

No Orlais influence, best education, open minded and have better diplomatic relatonships with mages and dwarves, Nevarrans, Tevinters what is best for Ferelden and his future.

[animedreamer]

With nothing backing him up?

 

Did you forget Arl Eamon existed? One of the most powerful nobles of Ferelden who both raised him, could vouch for his paternity, was trusted and well liked by the other nobles, and had long since hidden the fact that Alistair was half elf and had a mage mother. Alistair was raised by a noble among nobles, and then the church, two respected places and then joined a respected order. He was in a much better position than morrigans kid, and the warden still has to move heaven and earth for him to have a chance at beating Anora.

 

Also, why are people desperate and why is there a civil war looming? Alistair failing to make an heir doesn't mean automatic civil war. He can likely find someone popular enough that he likes among the nobility to nominate as his heir. One of the Couslands, maybe Teagan. There's no indication there would be any civil war or desperate situation for Morrigans kid to take advantage of. And his mother is still publicly a chasind looking illegal mage non-andrastian who spent years working for their biggest political enemy which wow, the landsmeet is not going to accept easily at all.

 

Yeah if they just want to say that if the dad was Cousland and he basically player character goddmodded the kid into somehow being a king candidate sure that's an ok headcanon, but saying the kid has a firm claim is silly.

 

Teagan and Eamon weren't the only people to confirm Alistairs heritage, Cailen also knew Alistair was his brother and so did Anora, also other nobles who you meet in the Noble Tavern, also speak openly about "Maric's Bastard." lastly, Teryn Loghain himself acknowledges Alistair as Maric's bastard. There is no questioning Alistair's heritage because all the nobles in the know, know who he is already.

[TTTX]

Anora is a smart girl, i can't possibly see why she didn't fake pregnacy at the first whisper of Cailan's death. She could have put on a mask and got any man in Ferelden to then knock her up and then claimed it was Cailan's. Paternity test didn't exist back then unless there is a blood mage named Maury out there. This way her crown wouldn't have been at risk at all, from her father or Alistair. 

Anora has some a lot fear about having children apparently.

[Clockwork_Wings]

It possible they'll just say that Teagan had a child with Bella or Kaitlyn with little emphasis on which, and Alistair or Anora groom the kid as an heir.  That might be the simplest thing, with fewest ties to specific worldstates. 

[Eveangaline]

Teagan and Eamon weren't the only people to confirm Alistairs heritage, Cailen also knew Alistair was his brother and so did Anora, also other nobles who you meet in the Noble Tavern, also speak openly about "Maric's Bastard." lastly, Teryn Loghain himself acknowledges Alistair as Maric's bastard. There is no questioning Alistair's heritage because all the nobles in the know, know who he is already.

Yep. Which is something Morrigans kid doesn't have.