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[Mistic]

It's been confirmed. Source is mike laidlaw back on jul 8th who said it flat out. You can find a link to the tweet series on fiona's dragon age wiki page. I'd link it but I'm on my phone.

 

I'll link it for you:

https://twitter.com/...584356337487872

[Clockwork_Wings]

Teagan and Eamon weren't the only people to confirm Alistairs heritage, Cailen also knew Alistair was his brother and so did Anora, also other nobles who you meet in the Noble Tavern, also speak openly about "Maric's Bastard." lastly, Teryn Loghain himself acknowledges Alistair as Maric's bastard. There is no questioning Alistair's heritage because all the nobles in the know, know who he is already.

It's possible they just heard a rumor.  Cailan tended to wander.  It's possible they just...presumed he had a bastard or two somewhere, it's common for kings to do so in fiction.  All the male nobility in Game of Thrones of age to have children at all seem to have a Snow or Sand or two.

 

Huh.  There's an idea.  Somewhere between 2 and Inquisition, they find a young man that looks suspiciously like Cailan and they're all like, "Close enough."

[ShadowLordXII]

Why would they believe that Morrigan has the Warden's son?

 

The same way that she charmed her way into the Orlesian Court.

 

How she did that is beyond me.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

The same way that she charmed her way into the Orlesian Court.

 

How she did that is beyond me.

I think she offered to help the Empress increase her power. And because the Empress isn't considered to be responsible to her other subordinates, if she wants Morrigan around, Morrigan's around.

[HiroVoid]

Morrigan is called a Heroine of the Fifth Blight in WoT. That's a lot of clout.

A heroine that was hunted down in 'Witch Hunt'.

[Jaison1986]

A heroine that was hunted down in 'Witch Hunt'.

 

If by "hunted down" you mean the warden, that's relative. The warden can either hunt her down or track her down. It all depends on his/her intentions. Apart from the warden, only the dalish were trying to find her, and we know no one cares about their problems.

[Felene]

Is it too much to hope for that Alistair will magically lost his taint just like his mother did, I mean the taint can be cure, just don't know how.

[LadyKarrakaz]

If by "hunted down" you mean the warden, that's relative. The warden can either hunt her down or track her down. It all depends on his/her intentions. Apart from the warden, only the dalish were trying to find her, and we know no one cares about their problems.

And the Dalish wanted to get back their book. And it seems to be the book Morrigan leaves at her camp near the Eluvian. So, no more Dalish hunters...

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

The Couslands. Eamon will be too old, Teaaaaaaghaaaaaaaan! doesn't have enough supporters.

 

All hail Fergus first of his name, king of the dog lords, lord of Denerim and Highever, and protector of the realm.

[Icy Magebane]

Morrigan is called a Heroine of the Fifth Blight in WoT. That's a lot of clout.

She becomes Celene's advisor even if you fire her in Lothering... beyond that, she leaves right before the final battle unless the Warden agrees to the DR, so there are a lot of ways the story could have gone so that she never played a role in ending the Blight.  Morrigan is supposedly skilled in manipulation, so I'm guessing that's how she managed to get involved in the Orlesian court... plus, she's a mage who was trained by Flemeth, so she may have some subtle abilities that could have helped her along the way.  I don't really trust WoT in this instance, unless we're certain that everything regarding Morrigan in DA:O has been retconned to accommodate her staying and fighting the Archdemon.  I guess she could have just lied about it and told people she was involved... I mean, it's not like the Orlesians would be able to do a background check on her.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

She becomes Celene's advisor even if you fire her in Lothering... beyond that, she leaves right before the final battle unless the Warden agrees to the DR, so there are a lot of ways the story could have gone so that she never played a role in ending the Blight.  Morrigan is skilled in manipulation, so I'm guessing that's how she managed to get involved in the Orlesian court... plus, she's a mage who was trained by Flemeth, so she may have some subtle abilities that could have helped her along the way.  I don't really trust WoT in this instance, unless we're certain that everything regarding Morrigan in DA:O has been retconned to accommodate her staying and fighting the Archdemon.  I guess she could have just lied about it and told people she was involved... I mean, it's not like the Orlesians would be able to do a background check on her.

 

Orlesian Lord: Waaaaardeeeen! Tell uz about your friend Morrigan!!!!

Warden:...I hated that hag, threw her out of the party as soon as I was able.

Orlesian Lord:

[Clockwork_Wings]

I didn't think you could throw her out of the party? 

 

Also, I thought Teagan was competent enough that Eamon abandons Redcliff to him.

 

Although, there may be more going on than we know about.  I can't see Eamon letting Tevinter necromancers take over Redcliff. 

[Moirin]

I didn't think you could throw her out of the party?

 

You can, I've done it on one of my Warden's, she still comes back just before the final battle to try to get the Dark Ritual done though.

[Ryzaki]

I didn't think you could throw her out of the party? 

 

Also, I thought Teagan was competent enough that Eamon abandons Redcliff to him.

 

Although, there may be more going on than we know about.  I can't see Eamon letting Tevinter necromancers take over Redcliff. 

 

You can.

 

You can tell her to bounce as soon as you reach Lothering in fact.

[Icy Magebane]

I didn't think you could throw her out of the party? 

 

Also, I thought Teagan was competent enough that Eamon abandons Redcliff to him.

 

Although, there may be more going on than we know about.  I can't see Eamon letting Tevinter necromancers take over Redcliff. 

In DA:O you could tell her to leave during any dialogue.  Alistair was the only mandatory party member.  Possibly Dog depending on the Warden's race and choices...

[Zu Long]

With nothing backing him up?

Did you forget Arl Eamon existed? One of the most powerful nobles of Ferelden who both raised him, could vouch for his paternity, was trusted and well liked by the other nobles, and had long since hidden the fact that Alistair was half elf and had a mage mother. Alistair was raised by a noble among nobles, and then the church, two respected places and then joined a respected order. He was in a much better position than morrigans kid, and the warden still has to move heaven and earth for him to have a chance at beating Anora.

Also, why are people desperate and why is there a civil war looming? Alistair failing to make an heir doesn't mean automatic civil war. He can likely find someone popular enough that he likes among the nobility to nominate as his heir. One of the Couslands, maybe Teagan. There's no indication there would be any civil war or desperate situation for Morrigans kid to take advantage of. And his mother is still publicly a chasind looking illegal mage non-andrastian who spent years working for their biggest political enemy which wow, the landsmeet is not going to accept easily at all.

Yeah if they just want to say that if the dad was Cousland and he basically player character goddmodded the kid into somehow being a king candidate sure that's an ok headcanon, but saying the kid has a firm claim is silly.

How is it godmodding to endorse your own son when you're king? Especially
when your other option basically amounts to playing favorites among the nobles, (which will totally go over great, I'm sure.) Alistair's claim was basically "because Eamon says this stable boy is totaly Maric's kid." And because it was a desparate situation, the lords accepted it.

I'm not say there wouldn't be resistance. I am saying that compared to which ever of the nobles hs the biggest army/is the best brown noser, the kid has a pretty good shot. And what interested me is that Bioware has it set up so that's true no matter which person is the father. It suggests to me that bioware plans for fereldan succession to come up in a future game, and tha the ogb could be a factor when it happens.

[Eveangaline]

How is it godmodding to endorse your own son when you're king? Especially
when your other option basically amounts to playing favorites among the nobles, (which will totally go over great, I'm sure.) Alistair's claim was basically "because Eamon says this stable boy is totaly Maric's kid." And because it was a desparate situation, the lords accepted it.

I'm not say there wouldn't be resistance. I am saying that compared to which ever of the nobles hs the biggest army/is the best brown noser, the kid has a pretty good shot. And what interested me is that Bioware has it set up so that's true no matter which person is the father. It suggests to me that bioware plans for fereldan succession to come up in a future game, and tha the ogb could be a factor when it happens.

 

It's goddmodding to have the nobles be totally ok with your bastard mageborn child raised in your political enemies house. The candidate for the throne has to be acceptable to the landsmeet. For instance Eamon couldn't have just picked some random person and been like "whatever lets make this person royalty." because he's popular, you can't choose someone the nobility won't find acceptable. The kid has pretty much no shot against who has the biggest army/best brown noser  because there's plenty of things that make him completely unacceptable.

 

When your other option is to choose someone the landsmeet actually like, know, and may have plenty of political power and friends among the nobility vs...this kid no one knows, has no reason to trust, and have many reasons to dislike/not trust at all? It's not really a contest.

 

There's no indication there's going to be any situation with the nobility to make them desperate enough to not care that this random unknown bastard kid raised by a mage not among the nobility of ferelden, but in orlais who they in fact hate, over say, any well connected or popular noble. There's no desperation in "Alistair/Cousland and Anora/Cousland are getting older, don't have an heir, so they decide to take their time and pick someone who will be a good choice among the nobles"

 

Also it's not set up so that it's true no matter who is the father, a mage amell, an elf, and a dwarf, can all be the father leaving the kid with even less claim to the throne (so go from like 1% to 0%)

[Br3admax]

Aside from Orlais, Alistair is exactly the same. 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Aside from Orlais, Alistair is exactly the same. 

Alistair is not a mage. And I don't think anyone apart from maybe Eamon knows he's a half-elf, or that his mother was a foreign mage. I strongly doubt he would be allowed to succeed his half-brother if any of that common knowledge, and if all of it was he'd have no chance.

[Br3admax]

Alistair is not a mage. And I don't think anyone apart from maybe Eamon knows he's a half-elf, or that Fiona was his mother.

How do you know the OGB is a mage, and why would anyone tell who his mother is? It's not like Morrigan is looking to become queen. 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

How do you know the OGB is a mage, and why would anyone tell who his mother is? It's not like Morrigan is looking to become queen. 

I've been assuming the OGB would be a mage, because otherwise what would be the point? What exactly would be different about the OGB if there wasn't magic involved, and presumably more powerful magic than could otherwise be attained?

 

Also, do you really think that the question of who the OGB's mother is wouldn't come up? The question of who his mother is is going to be asked, of both the OGB and of the father. (Assuming the father is readily available.) If the OGB can't give a mother, someone's going to assume there's some problem with her.

[Clockwork_Wings]

I've been assuming the OGB would be a mage, because otherwise what would be the point? What exactly would be different about the OGB if there wasn't magic involved, and presumably more powerful magic than could otherwise be attained?

 

Also, do you really think that the question of who the OGB's mother is wouldn't come up? The question of who his mother is is going to be asked, of both the OGB and of the father? (Assuming the father is readily available?) If the OGB can't give a mother, someone's going to assume there's some problem with her.

On occasion, DA does like to test convention.

 

Following that, if he wasn't born of the ritual, I wouldn't mind a sign of it, like he takes the class of his father.