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#51
NuclearTech76

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Not one-shot, but a pair of Biotics with strong weapons can tag-team a Platinum Banshee to death in... certainly under 10 seconds, maybe as few as 6-7? I've never actually timed it.

A lot less if that biotic team has powers that debuff. Biotic bubble, warp, annihilation field and some focused weapons fire and Banshees are falling quickly. Reegar on a Valkyrie can probably dispatch a banshee on her own in less than 5 secs.



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I landed into a Platinum lobby yesterday, and up until I heard a "squeaker," I knew it was a missile glitching lobby. No f****** way did they extract a platinum legitimately. And I was correct when I got in there.



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A lot less if that biotic team has powers that debuff. Biotic bubble, warp, annihilation field and some focused weapons fire and Banshees are falling quickly. Reegar on a Valkyrie can probably dispatch a banshee on her own in less than 5 secs.

 

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Ladies and Gentlemen: a new challenge awaits.

Reegar Valkyrie or Reegar AIU: Who does it fasterest?



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Reegar Valkyrie or Reegar AIU: Who does it fasterest?

Reegar AIU(imo).... Just ridiculous that Repair Matrix.

 

I wonder what it would have been like if it had damage bonus to it  ;)



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Reegar Valkyrie or Reegar AIU: Who does it fasterest?

On platinum? The Valkyrie.



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Some of the best players I have ever randomly encountered were in Platinum, including several on my FL who do not frequent BSN. Plat and Gold pugs, IMO, are completely random in ability

 

And the Reegar / Valkryie can outperform the Reegar / AUI vs bosses on all difficulties above Bronze. Hello warp, hello AF debuff



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You can't one-shot a Banshee with any legit loadout.

Well, there is this-https://www.youtube....h?v=nF7PHc9KuRM (Javelin OHK on Gold Banshee that was debuffed by Tac Scan/Proxy Mine/Cryo Blast/Annihilation Field)

 

Don't know what relevant buffs/nerfs may have happened since then, or whether these guys were on PC with any weird modding, but it looks legit.



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Well, there is this-https://www.youtube....h?v=nF7PHc9KuRM (Javelin OHK on Gold Banshee that was debuffed by Tac Scan/Proxy Mine/Cryo Blast/Annihilation Field)

 

Don't know what relevant buffs/nerfs may have happened since then, or whether these guys were on PC with any weird modding, but it looks legit.

 

There's a player on my FL - ForgottenNobody who is really beastly with the GI / Javelin, and I have seen them 1 shot a Gold Banshee with 1/3 barriers left. They were using Warp IV and both piercing mods, plus Sniper gear V and a III Sniper Amp. Oh and the Javelin was an X

 

I have to assume it is certainly possible from full barriers

 

Edit - I had hit the Banshee with a warp triggered BE to take the barrier down to 1/3



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There's a player on my FL - ForgottenNobody who is really beastly with the GI / Javelin, and I have seen them 1 shot a Gold Banshee with 1/3 barriers left. They were using Warp IV and both piercing mods, plus Sniper gear V and a III Sniper Amp. Oh and the Javelin was an X

 

I have to assume it is certainly possible from full barriers

 

Edit - I had hit the Banshee with a warp triggered BE to take the barrier down to 1/3

Yeah, I tend to think its legit/possible-I mean, according to kalence a cloaked headshot with Javelin X and Warp IV does about 17,000 damage to barriers, about 15,500 to armor, and that's without any debuffs. Add all those debuffs, PLUS the +100% damage bonus (to what is already 15-17k damage!!!) from Warp Ammo (the Banshee was primed with AF), and it seems totally plausible. 



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Gold Banshee:  10125 / 16875 (barrier / armor)

 

Platinum Banshee (to which my comment referred): 13162 / 21937

 

Also keep in mind that what Kalence is telling you for a headshot is the standard multiplier of 2.5, not 1.4 like a Banshee.

 

Typically the best way to shoot a Banshee with the Javelin is to double hit her anyway, and I am not entirely sure that actually happens with a headshot.

 

Perhaps it ends up being possible for a primed target with enough debuff, although it is impossible to prime a banshee without inflicting damage... unless I am mistaken and she can be primed through power block (with something like Warp).



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Yeah, I tend to think its legit/possible-I mean, according to kalence a cloaked headshot with Javelin X and Warp IV does about 17,000 damage to barriers, about 15,500 to armor, and that's without any debuffs. Add all those debuffs, PLUS the +100% damage bonus (to what is already 15-17k damage!!!) from Warp Ammo (the Banshee was primed with AF), and it seems totally plausible.



I don't know too much about the Awakened Cillectors powers but he was definitely debuffing them with something first before he shot them.

They were literally disintigrating in under 5 seconds after he would shoot them post debuff.. It seemed more like 2 to 3 seconds and not more than one or two shots.

This was on Xbox Live btw. About an hour before the servers went down last night.

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On platinum? The Valkyrie.

 

 

Some of the best players I have ever randomly encountered were in Platinum, including several on my FL who do not frequent BSN. Plat and Gold pugs, IMO, are completely random in ability

 

And the Reegar / Valkryie can outperform the Reegar / AUI vs bosses on all difficulties above Bronze. Hello warp, hello AF debuff

Without the bug/glitch... Reegar Valk vs Reegar AIU



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For fun, here is a GI Build 65663

 

I used Targeting VI here w/ Assault Loadout (more in a second).  WA4.

 

Boss Headshot under cloak is 8998.4.  Ammo damage is 2504 to barriers if not primed, 5008 if it is primed.

 

Let's pretend the team is a biotic with Warp (15%), some Tac Scan (25+7.5%) person, a Cryo Blast (25%) person, and the GI w PM (20%).  Debuff is 70% general plus 22.5% weapon.

 

WA damage to primed debuffed barriers is supposedly now 8514 and boss headshot damage is 14944.  You need three headshots to kill her, and incidentally also 3 body shots.

 

Now the reason I mentioned Assault Loadout is that you could potentially burn all those thermal clip packs to get some more damage.  Even if that works out, it isn't exactly sustainable.



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Without the bug/glitch... Reegar Valk vs Reegar AIU

The AIU will probably win assuming the Valkyrie doesn't use incendiary and assuming the AIU's six TC evolution actually loads right and multiplies the damage of the Reegar. Valkyrie still is going to dispatch mobs faster because of the BEs but if we're talking just damage versus a boss enemy the AIU will probably win if you take cheese off the menu. She can also run into some mobs that the AIU would likely shy away from because of drain on AF. Repair matrix is awesome until you get revived into an instakill.  :lol:



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Gold Banshee:  10125 / 16875 (barrier / armor)

 

Platinum Banshee (to which my comment referred): 13162 / 21937

 

Also keep in mind that what Kalence is telling you for a headshot is the standard multiplier of 2.5, not 1.4 like a Banshee.

 

Typically the best way to shoot a Banshee with the Javelin is to double hit her anyway, and I am not entirely sure that actually happens with a headshot.

 

Perhaps it ends up being possible for a primed target with enough debuff, although it is impossible to prime a banshee without inflicting damage... unless I am mistaken and she can be primed through power block (with something like Warp).

Yeah forgot that that HS number wouldn't apply to Banshees. And you can see on the video that the banshee is missing a little bit of her barrier from the AF priming- but the atlas is at full shields. I doubt its possible against platinum bosses though. And I know its not exactly what you were talking about, but its still amusing- I for one hadn't even imagined that one-shotting a Gold Atlas/Banshee was possible, much less actually seen it done before I watched that video. 



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Um, guys, aren't we missing gate in all those fine calculations? Or did I get something wrong?



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So in order to inflict the maximum damage on boss units like prime and banshee, with double hits, do we shoot the head or the body?

What is the general rule for achieving double hit anyways? Penetration has to stack up to 1 meter? Why people are advising against using armor piercing mod with a drill round or AP ammo?

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educate yourself:

 

Where to Shoot for Massive Effect, by OniGanon:

http://forum.bioware...-points-diagram

 

Headshots Mechanics Details Assembled, by alfonsedode

http://forum.bioware...tails-assembled

 

Piercing Mod Tests, by Cyonan

http://forum.bioware...ian-shield-bugs


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