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[diagorias]

Technically Qunari is the word for the people, who follow the Qun. By using the word sometimes for the race and sometimes for the religious people, I think there is bound to be some confusion about which one is meant. It might be an idea to use Kossith, when referring to the race and Qunari, when referring to the religion? (Since even the Dragon Age site uses Qunari for the race)

[BluuDuck]

This was tried, it didn't end well....

[Icy Magebane]

Typically, followers of the Qun are called "Qunari" and grey giants are called "qunari."  They just switch between capital and lower case to differentiate....  It's usually not that confusing though, if you pay attention to context clues.  If you want to be more specific, "Vashoth" are qunari who were born outside the Qun, whereas "Tal-Vashoth" are rebels who left the Qun... however, only Qunari differentiate between the two.  To anybody else, they are simply Tal-Vashoth, although even that's kind of uncommon terminology among commoners... to them, all qunari are pretty much the same.

[daveliam]

Typically, followers of the Qun are called "Qunari" and grey giants are called "qunari."  They just switch between capital and lower case to differentiate....  It's usually not that confusing though, if you pay attention to context clues.  If you want to be more specific, "Vashoth" are qunari who were born outside the Qun, whereas "Tal-Vashoth" are rebels who left the Qun... however, only Qunari differentiate between the two.  To anybody else, they are simply Tal-Vashoth, although even that's kind of uncommon terminology among commoners... to them, all qunari are pretty much the same.

 

Very nice explanation.

 

And just to add to the OP, 'kossith' is an equally confusing term, imo, because it's not used in the game (at all?) and most people have no idea what a 'kossith' is.  Add to that the fact that "kossith" actually refers to a culture that no longer exists, and I'm not sure that it's an effective solution.

 

Where the devs left it, I believe, is:  Use either term that you want.  They will use qunari  in the game.  On BSN, either term is fine and no one should be "correcting" people on their chosen terminology.

[diagorias]

Well, the thing is, the qunari themselves would never call a Tal-Vashoth a qunari, race or religion-wise. That kinda breaks the system, also, if you would ask a question to a qunari about who or what someone else is, he could just answer with "Qunari", the capital letter makes it impossible to know what 'Qunari' is meant.

 

Aside from that, this game is conversation based, not always written down, even though you could add subtitles, it's not standard.

 

For an example: You are directed to a house and have to assassinate "the Qunari" in the game. If you don't have subtitles on and there are both a racial qunari and a elf in the house, fighting eachother. For all you know, the qunari is Tal-Vashoth and the Elf is Qunari.

 

What I wonder most I guess is, what do qunari call their own race?

[Icy Magebane]

What I wonder most I guess is, what do qunari call their own race?

They call themselves Qunari...  I believe Gaider mentioned that the Qunari don't place any value on having a name for that specific race (the grey giants), so they don't have one.  They also do not care if this is confusing to outsiders.  What non-Qunari call them doesn't matter to the Qunari.

[Durhon]

I remembering reading somewhere that Kossith is an old term. It's like calling the French people Gauls.

[OctagonalSquare]

Typically, followers of the Qun are called "Qunari" and grey giants are called "qunari."  They just switch between capital and lower case to differentiate.

I used to think this, but it turns out it's not true. In DAO, Sten's subtitles always used "qunari", and devs now always use "Qunari". Capital-Q seems to be the current convention no matter what.

 

I still think they should be called giants, though.

[diagorias]

They call themselves Qunari...  I believe Gaider mentioned that the Qunari don't place any value on having a name for that specific race (the grey giants), so they don't have one.  They also do not care if this is confusing to outsiders.  What non-Qunari call them doesn't matter to the Qunari.

That's not entirely true, because they are pretty strong in saying that Tal-Vashoth are not Qunari. In DA2 at least.

[Icy Magebane]

That's not entirely true, because they are pretty strong in saying that Tal-Vashoth are not Qunari. In DA2 at least.

What part of it is untrue?  The Tal-Vashoth don't follow the Qun, therefore they are not Qunari.  The Qunari don't care what other races call their main race, that doesn't mean that they want the name Qunari associated with rebels and heretics.

[Gallan]

The race was never called the Kossith. Kossith was the name of the society existed before the Qun. There is no name for the race.

[diagorias]

Mmh, I guess you are right, since the Qunari don't see value in names at all. There is stil some issue though, the Qunari too, got scientists and philosophers. Assuming that they study the differences between the races of Thedas (and possibly other races outside of Thedas, we haven't seen yet), they are bound to give it at least a title or name, to communicate about it without misunderstandings.

 

Aside from that, The other nations and institutes in Thedas are learning slowly, but steadily more about the Qunari and the Qunari race. Since they do see that there is a difference, they would probably give both a seperate official name.

[diagorias]

The race was never called the Kossith. Kossith was the name of the society existed before the Qun. There is no name for the race.

 

From the Dragon Age Wiki:

 

 

"Kossith" is an antiquated technical name that is only used by tamassrans to describe the race of the horned race before most of it was converted to the Qun. A few members of the Qunari priesthood may recognize the word, but to everyone in Thedas, they're just "Qunari" or "Tal-Vashoth". Other races sometimes refer to them as "giants" or "ox-men" as well.

 

 

Describing is not exactly the same as the actual name, but it's the only thing close to a name there is.

[dutch_gamer]

For an example: You are directed to a house and have to assassinate "the Qunari" in the game. If you don't have subtitles on and there are both a racial qunari and a elf in the house, fighting eachother. For all you know, the qunari is Tal-Vashoth and the Elf is Qunari.

I really don't expect BioWare to create a quest which deliberately confuses the player in who the true Qunari is. The lower case versus upper case is something which can be used on this forum to make something more clear but I don't expect BioWare to do this in the game.

If the Qunari is actually Tal-Vashoth I expect BioWare to actually use that word instead of Qunari.

I honestly believe that there is no issue with the word Qunari nor with the fact that horned race simply doesn't have a name for their race. I think that makes the Qunari (not going to use lower case because I believe context to often be clear enough) have their own flavor in comparison with the other races in Thedas. It is odd but I don't see it as confusing because context often makes it very clear what is meant.

[dutch_gamer]

Aside from that, The other nations and institutes in Thedas are learning slowly, but steadily more about the Qunari and the Qunari race. Since they do see that there is a difference, they would probably give both a seperate official name.

And the official name doesn't need to be anything but Qunari. There is no reason to call them anything else. If a follower of the Qun happens to be an elf they could easily be referred to as being an elf Qunari.

[Mirrman70]

Doubt ig at best it would be something like true qunari

[Geth Supremacy]

This was tried, it didn't end well....

all the more reason for round 2

 

qunari is the people, Qunari means they follow the Qun.  Isn't there a dev quote about how its an old archaic term no one or very few in the game world even knows or uses?

[Beerfish]

Dave Gaider usually goes on a rampage when Kossith is brought up.     Me and my best bud Sister Petrice just call them all horned devil heretics.

[Icy Magebane]

And the official name doesn't need to be anything but Qunari. There is no reason to call them anything else. If a follower of the Qun happens to be an elf they could easily be referred to as being an elf Qunari.

That's a good point actually... there never really needs to be a word for the grey giants so long as the races that join the Qun have names.  Elven Qunari, dwarven Qunari, human Qunari, and Qunari would probably be good enough.

[diagorias]

That's a good point actually... there never really needs to be a word for the grey giants so long as the races that join the Qun have names.  Elven Qunari, dwarven Qunari, human Qunari, and Qunari would probably be good enough.

Until another race follows the Qunari, also following the Qun

 

Seriously though, this still could lead to confusion between the race or the religion.

[The Serge777]

*snip*

 

BRILLIANT.

Actually, it is a brilliant way to reflect how different the Qunari culture is from the Thedosian. 

 

As for me, a Qunari is anyone who serves the Qun.  A kossith is the racial term I use for any metallic-skinned giant.  Vashoth is any kossith born outside the Qun and, potentially, any immediate elven, human, or dwarven Qunari born outside the Qun.  Tal-Vashoth are those who actively reject the Qun after having been part of it. 

 

YMMV.

[diagorias]

Dave Gaider usually goes on a rampage when Kossith is brought up.     Me and my best bud Sister Petrice just call them all horned devil heretics.

No offence intended to Mr. Gaider of course, it is his story. Kossith was simply a suggestion, since that was the only possible name I could find, aside from Qunari.

 

I don't mind any name, I would simply prefer a term or a way to clarify whether we are talking about the religion Qunari or the racial Qunari.

 

I also don't think it's horrible that the name was used for both, since no one in Thedas knew any better, that is changing though.

[daveliam]

Actually, it is a brilliant way to reflect how different the Qunari culture is from the Thedosian. 

 

 

This is always my favorite point on the topic.  The Qunari, as a culture, have a very different world view than the other races.  I think it's a brilliant move that highlights how foreign their way of thinking is!  I'm not confused by it at all.  Context clues usually suffice to help me figure out what the speaker means.  And if there were a quest that had a "go assassinate the Qunari (who happens to be an elf)" prompt, that would be interesting to me, not confusing.

[diagorias]

This is always my favorite point on the topic.  The Qunari, as a culture, have a very different world view than the other races.  I think it's a brilliant move that highlights how foreign their way of thinking is!  I'm not confused by it at all.  Context clues usually suffice to help me figure out what the speaker means.  And if there were a quest that had a "go assassinate the Qunari (who happens to be an elf)" prompt, that would be interesting to me, not confusing.

There is definitely some truth in that, it is indeed interesting and the quest would be interesting too, figure out who the real Qunari is.

Still, that doesn't waylay my argument that the other races of Thedas don't have that view on the world, and assuming they are more like our western civilization (Orlais; French, Ferelden; English, Free Marches; Hanza-cities, Holland or Venice, Genoa, etc.), they probably would create or use a seperate term or name for the religion and race, as soon as they realize that there is a difference.

 

Also think of the political disgrace if a diplomat would call Tal-Vashoth Qunari, in the presence of a Arishok or someone similar.