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[Enrychan]

*delurking initiated*

 

to the OP: many people love Anders, they are just quiet about it

usually because the discussions about him tend to be rather... heated. I've been personally accused of "supporting terrorism" (not here on the BSN though) 

[Lulupab]

I don't understand your post.  Do you mean he's perhaps too unreasonable?  Because "Kill the guilty now!  Immediate Justice." isn't a 'reasonable attitude'.  As you say, it cannot work in the waking world.

Indeed, that was a typo.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

I don't like Anders and all mages. All bad that happens is mostly caused by tchem thats why all magi are going down in inquisition if I get a chance to do it

[Farci Reprimer]

Poor Anders.

No one is gay for him or Moleman

 

[Hanthus]

I liked Anders in awekening, a witty humors apostate who just wanted to be free but too every challenge with a smile. In dragon age 2, he lost every last good part about him. He wasen't humorus, he took everything seriously and he was waaaaay into the mage-templar conflict. He was a great character in Dragon age: Awakening, but for me, he lost his charm in Dragon age 2.

[Ryriena]

You just blew my mind...

Yeah I do that, it wouldn't surpise me in the least to know that the cat was him seeing things that weren't in his prison.

[Ryriena]

*delurking initiated*

to the OP: many people love Anders, they are just quiet about it
usually because the discussions about him tend to be rather... heated. I've been personally accused of "supporting terrorism" (not here on the BSN though)

Same thing with me, although, I don't support terrorism or Anders methods I do understand his character. I still don't see the greasy weasel thing either but that's just my perspective of the charcter.

[Ryriena]

Poor Anders.
No one is gay for him or Moleman

Yeah even though he has the largest fan thread here on the BSN.

[Ryriena]

I don't like Anders and all mages. All bad that happens is mostly caused by tchem thats why all magi are going down in inquisition if I get a chance to do it

This is a really bad arrugment, since not all evil, and not everything that has happened is because of them. After all, it's a elder God's fault that's the Veil is thinning. And not a mages fault.

[themincer]

I executed him.

 

Why? Because he butchered my 1st playthrough by being the single biggest retcon in my Warden-Commander's story. So I retconned him.

 

That's my answer.

[sylvanaerie]

Yeah even though he has the largest fan thread here on the BSN.

Actually, while impressive at 56,863 posts, Anders does not have "the largest fan thread" here on the BSN.  His thread began by Surelyforth on 3/7/2011.  Guess who weighs in with 89,272 posts on his thread and has only been active since 8/26/2011?  Yes, your post made me so curious I actually had to look it up.

 

Answer: It's Knight Captain Cullen's appreciation thread, not Anders.

 

If number of posts is the criteria of 'largest' (since pics can inflate the number of pages and isn't as accurate a measurement) then Cullen has the largest active fan thread (of the ones I had the patience to track down--I only did those on the first few pages of forum entries).  But if you want to go by pages, Anders fan thread has a count of 2275 vs Cullen's of 3571, making it still an impressive number, but not 'the largest'.

 

By comparison both outnumber old characters (like Alistair or Zevran) though admittedly those original companion threads got axed and had to be restarted long after they had been active for a while.  

 

*Edit* Fenris' thread weighs in at 54,602 posts and 2185 pages and was started by Chris Priestly on 12/16/2010, making his arguably the third most active fan thread.  (I didn't look past these three as they were the easiest to find and most active in recent months).

[Beerfish]

The dwarven contractors that build chantries for a living love Anders. 

[Kirasdream13]

I liked Anders in awekening, a witty humors apostate who just wanted to be free but too every challenge with a smile. In dragon age 2, he lost every last good part about him. He wasen't humorus, he took everything seriously and he was waaaaay into the mage-templar conflict. He was a great character in Dragon age: Awakening, but for me, he lost his charm in Dragon age 2.

 

I played Dragon Age II before going back to replay Origins and Awakening, and the difference was astounding.  I could see how his character developed in such a way, but I felt so bad for Justice; I loved his character a lot in Awakening, and the fact he became what he did was heart breaking. 

[Han Shot First]

Actually, while impressive at 56,863 posts, Anders does not have "the largest fan thread" here on the BSN.  His thread began by Surelyforth on 3/7/2011.  Guess who weighs in with 89,272 posts on his thread and has only been active since 8/26/2011?  Yes, your post made me so curious I actually had to look it up.

 

Answer: It's Knight Captain Cullen's appreciation thread, not Anders.

 

If number of posts is the criteria of 'largest' (since pics can inflate the number of pages and isn't as accurate a measurement) then Cullen has the largest active fan thread (of the ones I had the patience to track down--I only did those on the first few pages of forum entries).  But if you want to go by pages, Anders fan thread has a count of 2275 vs Cullen's of 3571, making it still an impressive number, but not 'the largest'.

 

By comparison both outnumber old characters (like Alistair or Zevran) though admittedly those original companion threads got axed and had to be restarted long after they had been active for a while.  

 

*Edit* Fenris' thread weighs in at 54,602 posts and 2185 pages and was started by Chris Priestly on 12/16/2010, making his arguably the third most active fan thread.  (I didn't look past these three as they were the easiest to find and most active in recent months).

 

Post counts are a poor way to measure popularity in my opinion, at least when compared to other popular characters. The vast majority of posts in character fan threads are inane off topic posts that have little to do with the character they're supposedly discussing. And most are posted by the same core group of people. It can be used to measure how unpopular some characters are however. Take Jacob Taylor from the Mass Effect series as an example. Prior to ME3 his fan thread had less than 50 pages while Liara, Miranda, and Tali were all in excess of a 1,000. If a character fan thread has few pages, its probably because not many people are in there to post.

[sylvanaerie]

Post counts are a poor way to measure popularity in my opinion, at least when compared to other popular characters. The vast majority of posts in character fan threads are inane off topic posts that have little to do with the character they're supposedly discussing. And most are posted by the same core group of people. It can be used to measure how unpopular some characters are however. Take Jacob Taylor from the Mass Effect series as an example. Prior to ME3 his fan thread had less than 50 pages while Liara, Miranda, and Tali were all in excess of a 1,000. If a character fan thread has few pages, its probably because not many people are in there to post.

 

I can't measure popularity, so you will note I didn't mention that.  Lots of things can inflate a thread, snapshots, insanely large signatures, chatter that has little to do with the topic, but if it can be said of most threads on the boards as a general thing to be expected, then all threads have them.  My post simply concerned the size (largest), not the numbers of individual posters or off topic posts.

 

I was just pointing out that Anders' fan thread, while a large thread, isn't 'the largest' on the BSN boards. 

[Enrychan]

Yeah, post counts don't mean anything. Many people are just not interested in discussing a certain topic, or discuraged from doing so. In this case, my personal experience is that every single time I say that I love him as a character, someone either mocks me, attacks me, or tries to convince me I'm wrong and I should not like him. And even if they don't attack me personally, the discussion usually ends up in 50 shades of "I wanted him to die painfully", "murderknifing him wasn't satisfying enough I wanted to tear him into pieces", "I would keep him alive only to track him down and kill him again" (these are all real things some people told me).

That's not very interesting so I just... avoid 

[Darkly Tranquil]

No. He whines all game and his entire identity is based on a movement I don't really agree with.

I agree to a large extent with his movement and I still found him highly irritating.

[Lord Raijin]

Anders is one of the best characters in Dragon Age. For anyone who calls him whiny and a chronic complainer doesn't truly understand the plight that he and his own kin are going through. When you're radically profiled and are subjected to segregation from the rest of the population can ruffled up anyone's feathers.

 

Just think of it this way. Put on Anders shoes and start walking around Thedas as a mage... having to fight against the Chantries soldiers at every whim to keep your freedom, and from getting captured, and thrown into a tower where it would be your permanent home for the rest of your life.

[sylvanaerie]

Yeah, post counts don't mean anything. Many people are just not interested in discussing a certain topic, or discuraged from doing so. In this case, my personal experience is that every single time I say that I love him as a character, someone either mocks me, attacks me, or tries to convince me I'm wrong and I should not like him. And even if they don't attack me personally, the discussion usually ends up in 50 shades of "I wanted him to die painfully", "murderknifing him wasn't satisfying enough I wanted to tear him into pieces", "I would keep him alive only to track him down and kill him again" (these are all real things some people told me).

That's not very interesting so I just... avoid 

 

And I've had the exact opposite experience, where if I say I don't like him, I get attacked by 20 people all saying I'm evil for 'oppressing mages', or just 'don't understand him'.  Somehow, just not liking the character isn't enough for people, they think you must also be Meredith's evil crony as well and a supporter of mage imprisonment/Chantry as well.  Few people seem to realize you can have a middle ground where you can like the character for his qualities that are likeable and dislike his actions, or dislike the character and his actions but still feel something must be done to improve the lives of mages.  Though what, without making the rest of Thedas like Tevinter, can be done, I have yet to see.  Maybe my inquisitor will get that option.  

 

And, for what it's worth, I'm sorry if people have made you feel uncomfortable with their militant zeal against him, but you must realize that the same is true for those who dislike him.  After feeling attacked on the boards a while back, I stopped posting for a long time, only recently returning (and getting sucked into this thread it seems) .

 

Anders seems to have been as polarizing as Loghain.

 

And, to address your reply, I wasn't talking about popularity.  I have no means to measure that (even a poll won't be accurate).  All I was responding to was that his isn't "the largest fan thread" on the BSN boards.  That was all it was about.

[Han Shot First]

Anders is one of the best characters in Dragon Age. For anyone who calls him whiny and a chronic complainer doesn't truly understand the plight that he and his own kin are going through. When you're radically profiled and are subjected to segregation from the rest of the population can ruffled up anyone's feathers.

 

Just think of it this way. Put on Anders shoes and start walking around Thedas as a mage... having to fight against the Chantries soldiers at every whim to keep your freedom, and from getting captured, and thrown into a tower where it would be your permanent home for the rest of your life.

 

Even if you think Anders' cause is just, he kills civilians rather than Templars, and his actions spark a war that kills hundreds or maybe even thousands. And how many mages end up dead because of Anders? Surely a lot more than were murdered by Meredith. If Bethany is alive and sent to the Circle, Anders also puts Hawke's sister in danger.

[Ryriena]

I actually go by the polls I have also seen on LI, and fan fiction sites mostly. The amount of stories I have seen with Anders to say Merill, which aren't creepy is at most an higher avearge than a Isabella Fenris fiction. I have seen Anders and Female wardens fictions, which I have really only seen a few Nate x Female Warden fictions. Though, I mostly go by polls that I have seen and fans reactions and no not the I stabed him bit.

[Ryriena]

Even if you think Anders' cause is just, he kills civilians rather than Templars, and his actions spark a war that kills hundreds or maybe even thousands. And how many mages end up dead because of Anders? Surely a lot more than were murdered by Meredith. If Bethany is alive and sent to the Circle, Anders also puts Hawke's sister in danger.

Elthina was in charge of said Templars as the Grand Cleric

[Han Shot First]

Elthina was in charge of said Templars as the Grand Cleric

 

Elthina favored peace between Templars & Mages, and did not support Meredith's worst actions. She denies for example, Meredith's request for authorization for Right of Annulment. Elthina can be criticized for being an ineffectual leader who did not take as active a role in the governance of Kirkwall as she should. Kirkwall needed a more forceful hand as Grand Cleric, to reign in both Meredith and the Mages. But she was not in any way an ally of Meredith.

 

In assassinating Elthina Anders ironically strikes down a neutral party and the one person in Kirkwall best suited to protect the mages from Meredith, and in doing it he provides justification to Meredith in attempting to enact the Right of Annulment.

 

And it can't be ignored that Anders' actions likely killed other innocents (anyone in or around the Cathedral), and was directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds or thousands of people in the resulting Mage-Templar War. Anders' bombing of the Cathedral likely resulted in the deaths of more mages than had been killed by Meredith and her Templars previously, not to mention civilians caught between the two warring factions.

 

In short, Anders is a mass murderer whose actions lead to tragedy, devastation, and untold suffering. He deserves to die for it, whether or not Hawke carries it out.

[Eterna]

*delurking initiated*

 

to the OP: many people love Anders, they are just quiet about it

usually because the discussions about him tend to be rather... heated. I've been personally accused of "supporting terrorism" (not here on the BSN though) 

 

Get back to lurking you terrorist! 

[Xilizhra]

Elthina favored peace between Templars & Mages, and did not support Meredith's worst actions. She denies for example, Meredith's request for authorization for Right of Annulment. Elthina can be criticized for being an ineffectual leader who did not take as active a role in the governance of Kirkwall as she should. Kirkwall needed a more forceful hand as Grand Cleric, to reign in both Meredith and the Mages. But she was not in any way an ally of Meredith.

 

In assassinating Elthina Anders ironically strikes down a neutral party and the one person in Kirkwall best suited to protect the mages from Meredith, and in doing it he provides justification to Meredith in attempting to enact the Right of Annulment.

 

And it can't be ignored that Anders' actions likely killed other innocents (anyone in or around the Cathedral), and was directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds or thousands of people in the resulting Mage-Templar War. Anders' bombing of the Cathedral likely resulted in the deaths of more mages than had been killed by Meredith and her Templars previously, not to mention civilians caught between the two warring factions.

 

In short, Anders is a mass murderer whose actions lead to tragedy, devastation, and untold suffering. He deserves to die for it, whether or not Hawke carries it out.

Elthina was an ally of Meredith through negligence, and the Circle was already going to be attacked; Anders didn't cause the Annulment per se, only made it happen at a more convenient time (Karras, if he's alive, will speak of Meredith's plans for it at the beginning of Act 3), for a reason that couldn't be justified or swept under the rug.