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[Xilizhra]

If you are a 100% friend and choose the star dialogue he will tell you that he is going to do something but does not want Hawke connected to it in any way. You need to trust someone first before expecting them to trust you back.

I'm sorry, but he has to know that this is crap. It's impossible for Hawke not to get involved in the issue when Anders starts it. While it's true that Anders might not want Hawke blamed for it, on the friendship path, he'll know that Hawke will very likely side with the mages and get drawn into the fight regardless.

[Who Knows]

If you are a 100% friend and choose the star dialogue he will tell you that he is going to do something but does not want Hawke connected to it in any way. You need to trust someone first before expecting them to trust you back.

He lied about the potion in the first place.

[Lulupab]

He lied about the potion in the first place.

You can question him about it while he talks about the potion, the said conversation where he admits occurs after collecting them. He will admit he is doing something and its not the potion.
 

I'm sorry, but he has to know that this is crap. It's impossible for Hawke not to get involved in the issue when Anders starts it. While it's true that Anders might not want Hawke blamed for it, on the friendship path, he'll know that Hawke will very likely side with the mages and get drawn into the fight regardless.

 
That actually depends on what response you choose after the unique star dialogue. If you choose the diplomatic or sarcastic one Hawke will tell Anders whatever it is they can tell him to which Anders replies its for Hawke's protection. If you choose the aggressive dialogue this happens:
 

[b10d1v]

Well, when you first meet Anders in one of the DAO subplots he is useful enough to grant a pardon and in DA2 he runs an underground health clinic and is a crusader for the good fight - what's not to like?  The only thing that was an issue was his not being able to "just be friends". Oh, and there was that blowing up the Chantry issue that Sebastian was not going to let go unpunished, nor could I seeing the priestess as a stabilizing force!

[Who Knows]

You can question him about it while he talks about the potion, the said conversation where he admits occurs after collecting them. He will admit he is doing something and its not the potion.
 

I know - the problem, as I mentioned, is that he had told you the potion was for seperating Justice from him and only admitted it was not when he already had Hawke help him get the bomb. Anders used Hawke.

I like Anders for most of DA2, but he definitely deceived Hawke.

[b10d1v]

I also modded it to be a mage with Bethany and she makes some interesting remarks about Anders before Varric's mission into the deep roads also good lines in the deep roads, but she dies if you take her.  Strange that Hawke was immune to darkspawn, but not Bethany or the brother.  Just as strange, Bethany liked the chantry Mother, yet asked you to spare Anders. 

[Lulupab]

I also modded it to be a mage with Bethany and she makes some interesting remarks about Anders before Varric's mission into the deep roads also good lines in the deep roads, but she dies if you take her.  Strange that Hawke was immune to darkspawn, but not Bethany or the brother.  Just as strange, Bethany liked the chantry Mother, yet asked you to spare Anders.

Bethany outright agrees with Anders, she admits that something most be done but she doesn't want to be responsible for violence.

I know - the problem, as I mentioned, is that he had told you the potion was for seperating Justice from him and only admitted it was not when he already had Hawke help him get the bomb. Anders used Hawke.
I like Anders for most of DA2, but he definitely deceived Hawke.

 

I don't think he used Hawke, gathering those was not that hard. Even if you deny him he goes and collects them himself. Distracting Grand cleric on the other hand might be considered but a friend Anders already admits he is planning something before that.

[Dutchess]

Bethany agrees with Anders? I always had the impression she felt she would be better off in the Circle and was actually quite content there.

[Lulupab]

Bethany agrees with Anders? I always had the impression she felt she would be better off in the Circle and was actually quite content there.

 

After sent there she sees what her brethren goes though and decides to help them peacefully instead of fighting it. But during act 1 she does agree with Anders. Once a grey warden she will be furious if she finds out you have sided with Templars when she comes back in act 3.

[GrinningRogue]

I liked him in Awakening. I always thought his anger was justified, right up till he decided to blow up the chantry. After that, nope. Killed him right then and there, and in all honesty, I wished Hawke had used the murder knife in a more spectacular fashion than just poking it into his back. Guy ruined everything.

[Who Knows]

Bethany outright agrees with Anders, she admits that something most be done but she doesn't want to be responsible for violence.

 

I don't think he used Hawke, gathering those was not that hard. Even if you deny him he goes and collects them himself. Distracting Grand cleric on the other hand might be considered but a friend Anders already admits he is planning something before that.

It doesn't matter if it was hard or not. Anders asked Hawke to risk their life (yes, even if in gameplay you are easily swatting away mobs of enemies, in-lore it would still be a life risk) to gather reagents for something he lied about. He used Hawke to get a bomb.

It's alright to admit that Anders has done the wrong thing, you know.

[sylvanaerie]

Bethany outright agrees with Anders, she admits that something most be done but she doesn't want to be responsible for violence.

 

I don't think he used Hawke, gathering those was not that hard. Even if you deny him he goes and collects them himself. Distracting Grand cleric on the other hand might be considered but a friend Anders already admits he is planning something before that.

I think it boils down to perception here. I definitely felt he used and deceived my Hawke.  That he goes and gathers them without you (if you refuse) is irrelevant since it's plot driven, not RP driven.  If it ended differently (like some other thing happens to trigger the end events) because you didn't help him, then I'd feel differently but yea, as it is presented now, it smacks to me of the whole mission being a giant "screw you, Hawke". 

[Lulupab]

It doesn't matter if it was hard or not. Anders asked Hawke to risk their life (yes, even if in gameplay you are easily swatting away mobs of enemies, in-lore it would still be a life risk) to gather reagents for something he lied about. He used Hawke to get a bomb.

It's alright to admit that Anders has done the wrong thing, you know.

 

Oh what he did was wrong, but I admire him using "deception" in a way that no one can blame Hawke for what happened. Anders was not an idiot, you can question what he did but you cannot question the fact that it worked exactly the way he wanted it to and he executed it perfectly without any error.

[Lulupab]

I think it boils down to perception here. I definitely felt he used and deceived my Hawke.  That he goes and gathers them without you (if you refuse) is irrelevant since it's plot driven, not RP driven.  If it ended differently (like some other thing happens to trigger the end events) because you didn't help him, then I'd feel differently but yea, as it is presented now, it smacks to me of the whole mission being a giant "screw you, Hawke". 

 

I don't see it as "used". Thanks to what he did even if you fully aid him Hawke is not blamed for the chantry incident, all thanks to Anders.

[sylvanaerie]

Oh what he did was wrong, but I admire him using "deception" in a way that no one can blame Hawke for what happened. Anders was not an idiot, you can question what he did but you cannot question the fact that it worked exactly the way he wanted it to and he executed it perfectly without any error.

 

Considering the line of dialogue with Cassandra and Varric, this isn't so as she clearly blames Hawke for the events of DA2 until Varric sets her straight.  

[sylvanaerie]

I don't see it as "used". Thanks to what he did even if you fully aid him Hawke is not blamed for the chantry incident, all thanks to Anders.

Not true.

[Lulupab]

Considering the line of dialogue with Cassandra and Varric, this isn't so as she clearly blames Hawke for the events of DA2 until Varric sets her straight.  

 

Cassandra is wrong about everything until Varric sets him right anyway.

[Lulupab]

Not true.

 

Care to elaborate? Hawke is not blamed because Anders initially lied and for the sole reason of protecting Hawke from getting blamed. He admits to it in both friendship and rivalry path.

[sylvanaerie]

Care to elaborate? Hawke is not blamed because Anders initially lied and for the sole reason of protecting Hawke from getting blamed. He admits to it in both friendship and rivalry path.

 

 

I don't see it as "used". Thanks to what he did even if you fully aid him Hawke is not blamed for the chantry incident, all thanks to Anders.

 

Bolded to elaborate, since Cassandra (and others obviously) believes Hawke is to be blamed for the chantry incident.  But if you don't perceive it that way, no amount of argument is going to budge you from this stance.  

[Lulupab]

Bolded to elaborate, since Cassandra (and others obviously) believes Hawke is to be blamed for the chantry incident.  But if you don't perceive it that way, no amount of argument is going to budge you from this stance.  

 

There are many versions of what happened before Varric clarifying it for Cassandra. Common folk rumors and zealots will twist the story. My argument is Anders did it in a way that no one who was there when it happened blamed Hawke, or are you disagree with this too? The most extreme Hawke can condone what happened and support Anders but he is never blamed for what happens. I don't care what fool peasants spread after that.

[Who Knows]

Care to elaborate? Hawke is not blamed because Anders initially lied and for the sole reason of protecting Hawke from getting blamed. He admits to it in both friendship and rivalry path.

Just to protect them from getting blamed? Or perhaps he (also) thought that Hawke might not agree to gather materials for a bomb to blow up the Chantry, which is something entirely reasonable to disagree with?

[sylvanaerie]

There are many versions of what happened before Varric clarifying it for Cassandra. Common folk rumors and zealots will twist the story. My argument is Anders did it in a way that no one who was there when it happened blamed Hawke, or are you disagree with this too? The most extreme Hawke can condone what happened and support Anders but he is never blamed for what happens. I don't care what fool peasants spread after that.

Yea, I have to disagree with that since people blamed Hawke anyway.  Meredith blames a Hawke who doesn't 'do something' and Orsino blames a Hawke who lets Meredith get away with her genocide.  And anyone else who was there didn't survive the encounter OR weren't available for questioning, so his 'lie to protect Hawke' wasn't very effective anyway since the rumors spread regardless.  And why would it matter if 'anyone there' blamed Hawke or not since it does spread like wildfire?  Anders reasoning (and yours) makes little sense to me in this respect.  

But then, if you didn't care that people spread the word of Hawke sparking a mage-templar-chantry war, then I guess Anders' plan fit the bill from your perspective.

 

But not mine.  It still felt like one giant 'screw you, Hawke' to me.

[Lulupab]

So much for Champion's rise to power is "shrouded in mystery". Peasants have it all figured out. Meredith does not blame Hawke for chantry, nor does anyone else. Not until he leaves. Even after than there are several versions.

 

Just to protect them from getting blamed? Or perhaps he (also) thought that Hawke might not agree to gather materials for a bomb to blow up the Chantry, which is something entirely reasonable to disagree with?

 

Yeah. that is the other way around. if you trust him he wants to protect you from the blame, if you don't trust him neither does he trust you.