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[sylvanaerie]

RPGs man/madame they let you roleplay. Unlike those nano-machines.   

 Well, rivaling both him AND Fenris requires a lot of 'metagaming' and knowing who to bring along at what times.  But yea, it's possible to play any game you want and achieve the results you want without being a dick.  There are some who just find the rivalry mechanic 'offensive', and while I appreciate that point of view, I found it allowed me to glimpse new aspects of characters I never saw on friendship path and gave me new insights into them.  Merrill becomes a stronger person, Anders (for me) became more human and poignant the more he lost himself to Vengeance.  Fenris...well, I love Fenris, but he's a dick regardless of what you do with him.  He was more fun with my completely pacifistic mage Hawke who rival-romanced him.  Their biggest issue was how he dealt with his anger, and I like to think (head canon, I know) that she turned him from that angry path and let him see not all mages are awful.

[sylvanaerie]

Man, it was hard to rival Anders. My Hawke was sarcastic and pro mage, so him being rivals with Anders required OOC moments for Hawke. That annoyed me to no end. It was so much easier to rival other companions with questionable views like Fenris, Merrill or Isabela. I wish that Anders rivalry was more dynamic then it originally was.

 

Indeed, it does require a lot of metagaming, and I found some of the dialogue from him incomprehensible (he assumes you're Meredith's lapdog just because of it, but it's a serious immersion breaker on my Kit--who was completely pro-mage).  It is possible though.  I always viewed it as disagreeing with Anders actions, even if you agreed with his politics.

[Kierro Ren]

I liked Anders. I didn't like how he blew this out of proportion, literally . But I can't ever kill him.

[conor7879]

I like Anders. In awakening was my best bro, I brought him everywhere he was funny, and quite an upbeat person which balanced out nathaniel in my party.

In DA2 however, his entire personality almost being swallowed with angst towards the templars made me stop bringing him around, jeez even Fenris told more jokes and was more fun to be around. aaaaaand then act 3 comes along and Anders screws everything up big time. I didnt kill him because I blame justice but seriously Anders, WTF.

on the other hand He heals decently and didnt grate on me like caver so he wasn't all bad.

[Johnsen1972]

Loved Anders in Awakening. He was a funny Apostate.

I killed him in DA2. I hated him in all my playthroughs. I like the boring Sebastian more then Anders.

[Pinkcarnation09]

I adore him on multiple levels.

[Face of Evil]

I liked him just fine until Act 3.

[kimgoold]

Sorry but I cannot stand him, more power to you if you do.

[Mashiro Yuki]

He's so preachy. I liked the conversation with Carver and Anders.

"Hating someone for being a mage?"

"I don't hate you because you're a mage. I hate you because you wont shut up about it."

 

First time I ever liked Carver, honestly.

 

To be totally honest, the whole party in DAII drives me insane except for Varric. And I'm not one of those people who absolutely hates that game.

[Sidney]

He's a crazy humorless crank. Classic glassy eyes fanatic. Hated him from the word go with his one note personality. He's like that friend from college who found Jesus and can't stop talking about that one thing. Killed him every time without fail and usually with a lot of glee.

[TheMakergavemeswag]

I hate him and it's the same reason I hate feneris they never shut the **** up. Anders "mages are treeted badly boo hoo"  Feneris "You saved my life but if you do anything nice for mages I'll leave" good thing their both dead.

[Colbyachi]

I like him because he stopped inaction, and took fate into his own hands. We Americans were terrorist while we were fighting for our freedom. Should the mages win then I see a similar situation, with Anders as our George Washington.

[Ryriena]

I loved Anders, it's just they did not pull off his change of personaltiy all too well, I had played DA2 before origins, and saw many things that made me go, why did they want him to do a complete 180 on his views about merging with spirits ect.... The excuse that it was to help Jutice his friend does not sit well with me, since he seemed to get that people like that give us a bad name ect. Heck, he went as far as to say, when speaking to Wynne that he did not want a full break from the Chantry, as the Libertiran mages wanted in the summit she was going too. Then, he went to do something that was a complete 180 from his views in DA:A to help his friend Justice. Then, in DA2 goes to the type that he willing too emotionl blackmail you into helping him gather Sala petera (Salt Peter) and Drakestone (sulfur) for a explosive surpise he had planed and its just so jarring to me on a friendship path.

[CIA]

nope, poorly written, poorly treated, not in inquisition 

[janddran]

Meridith should have killed you (PC) on sight for being an accomplice to mass-murder (if you chose that path even out of ignorance -- the warning signs are there) and if you fail the scene with the girl and the templar tranquil conspiracy and he actually kills her and you keep him, that doesn't bode well for your character either.

 

Like Isabella, I think both characters were rather terrible in execution in parts . I know there needed to be a catalyst (or combination) for the mage/templar and Kirkwall/qunari wars and admittedly I liked the shock-value the first time but next to running around Kirkwall as a mage I think the suspension of disbelief bar is too high for Anders at least in regard to you as the Hero. I was OK with him in Awakening.

 

I still love the game though. But ,yeah, if there is anyone remotely close to an Anders-like character in Inquisition, they will be dead, if killable, in my game (at least my first one).

[Lord Raijin]

The guy killed a lot of people not involve with the mage templar struggle. He's still a villain,especially if you killed him. For him to be a anti hero of sorts he must atone. Still like I said player's choice/personality wise. Would love to see if this was about Kain from the Legacy of Kain series. A villain who is called a anti hero by other.   

 

Unfortunately war is like that. Innocent people loses their lives. It is the most tragic thing that happens during war. The mages were rallying up against their Templar jailers and abusers. Why do you think that their was a blood mage problem in the city? The mages were not acting out as villains (Some were mind you!) but acting out in total desperation to become free mages. Anders was not a villain, not by a large scale he wasn't. He tried to use patience to reason with the Grand Cleric, and the results came back with nothing. Elthina wanted to leave things the way it was.. even neglecting to see that her own appointed Knight-Commander going completely insane didn't seem to bother her one bit.

 

Let's not forget that Divine Justinia V was even contemplating of declaring Exalted Marches on Kirkwall fearing that the insurrection, and that the mage rebellion was the beginning of a new Tevinter Imperium. The Divine had sent over her agent to scout the city to determine the threat.

[Shadow of Ashes]

I liked his character, and seriously applaud the writer who created him. I think he represents a lot of the desperation that can push a person to do horrendous things, and it's sad in this case because Anders was a likable guy who I probably would have gotten along with famously in real life. He was funny, he had a big heart, and even had a surprising amount of control despite the state he was in. I think he had a lot of strength and I was constantly worried about the obsession he had with justice for the mages, especially since he acknowledged that Justice had changed to a force of Vengeance inside him. Even though he and Justice had essentially merged into one being (as he claimed), I had hoped the entire way through that the better side of him would win out. That's why when he desolated all of those people and became that which he despised - one who harmed and murdered innocents - I felt the betrayal in the deepest part of my heart and I had to step away from the game for a bit. No cause is worth something as terrible as mass murdering, and nothing can condone it. After all my Hawke fought for, it made me SO angry.

 

Even so, I couldn't kill him. I wanted to, but I just couldn't do it. Not only was he my friend, but if I did that it would have neither helped anyone still alive nor would it have fixed the situation. It wouldn't have made me any better than him, and it wouldn't have solved my problems. So I kept him alive. I wanted him to see what came from his actions, I wanted him to do anything and everything he could to make up for this disaster, even though he probably never could. Killing him would have been a mercy, and that is something he did not give those who died for his justice. I mean, how dare he ask for that? Seriously?

 

I told him to leave, and when showed up at the Gallows to fight for the mages, I told him he could stay and fight for them. He owed them AT LEAST that much. I didn't forgive him, I didn't condone his actions, and I expect him to spend the rest of his life paying for what he did. But... I still don't hate him. He made me so angry because I liked him that much, and I'm anxious to see if he'll make him an appearance in DAI. I want to know what he's done with the life I had him keep.

 

Sorry for the speech. Long story short, I appreciate the value he had in the story and applaud all the turmoil he creates as a character. And dang it, as much as I want to hate him I can't. I like him so much that I'm gonna be angry at him for the rest of my existence. *sigh*

[Sambrion]

I adore Anders! and stuck with him even after all he did (well it's true it was stupid, but his cause is just) my LI, the companion i love the most, it's totally justice's doing and not his, okay in awakening he was funny and selfish, but he wouldn't change anything, he was too busy caring for himself, and that's just fine, but when someone told him to care for others too (which is justice, mind you), he did, and he's not an expert on that, took it too far maybe, and with justice within, you see, a human being comes and goes, but if a soul is corrupt by rage, it is not easy to mend, still anders is my favorite

[Cyrus Amell]

I suppose I was fond of the man at first, but the only reason I spared him my "cinematic death knife" the first time he blew up the chantry right in my face was because he was my healer. My Hawke did not approve of his action and I checked it as such in the Tapestry, but he let him stay long enough to cut a swathe through any templars that stood between him and his sister Bethany.

 

The way I see it is this - Malcom, Hawke's father, entrusted him as the eldest child to look out for the family after he died. As a warrior, my Hawke saw Carver die at the hands of an ogre and his mother at the hands of an insane maniac. Bethany is all he has left of his family from Lothering, and she was a Circle Mage at the time and therefore seriously endangered by Ander's actions.

 

To protect her and keep his oath to his father, my Champion would butcher any number of templars - even if it means allying with a traitorous terrorist and abomination to do it.

[Silfren]

I like him and the tragedy attached to his character. His romance feels real as well, he doesn't worship Hawke like the rest of romances and somethings are important than love.

 

Ha.  Given that Anders can turn Hawke down in the first act, only to say to her in the second one, things like "I would drown us all in blood to keep you safe," and "for three years I've ached for you," among various other things, I don't think it can be said that he doesn't worship Hawke...

[R0vena]

I have a lot of sympathy for Anders regarding all the mage issues, but I can't stand how he treats Avelin. His joke about what she and Wesley did in bed was absolutely disgusting  considering she was a recent widow and his talk with her in Act 3 (If Templars come for me I'll know whom to blame)  is just ungrateful whining considering she is the Captain of the Guard and she is allowing him to parade around free. 

I also don't like how his romance is handled. Too much pathos, too soon. Speech about breaking hearts after what, 10 minutes of knowing each other? Challenge the whole world for love after one night? (Honestly, I would be more ok with all that moving-in business if he'd just said he doesn't like living in the sewers, that I can completely understand, who would?) But, oh well, romance is the personal preference, I know a lot of gamers who find that behavior sweet and romantic, so to each their own. Avelin is my main reason for Anders being my least favorite character among companions in the game.

[Lulupab]

Ha.  Given that Anders can turn Hawke down in the first act, only to say to her in the second one, things like "I would drown us all in blood to keep you safe," and "for three years I've ached for you," among various other things, I don't think it can be said that he doesn't worship Hawke...

 

The thing is Anders says those after you talk with him in a nice way. There are instances that you can be a total A-hole and other companions don't give a dman. Like you can offer Fenris to Danarius and then change your mind and then Fenris is like oh no problem -french kiss. Dealing with demons or siding with Templars immediately ends Anders' romance. No other character has these red lines which are a must in a successful and real romance. 

[Endurium]

I'd like Anders more if he wasn't such a railroad job. As it is now, I enjoy killing him for forcing his way into my group in Awakenings/DA2 and not giving me options to affect the outcome.