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[Endee]

Anders is one of my favorite characters because his story is so tragic. I guess I'm attracted to that lol. He only tried to do the right thing when he invited Justice into his body and it completely screwed him over, and I had the feeling that he was really starting the slip near the end of the game, he was getting so desperate. I don't condone what he did with the Chantry but in a way I do understand why he did.

 

I've romanced him countless of times. I've tried to romance Fenris twice but I always ended up going back to Anders, I also tried to rivalmance him but I feel bad when I have to say mean/pro-templar stuff to him. I just can't do it. The other characters just didn't feel that deep to me, I dunno.

 

Also, cats.

[Eggplant Hell Princess]

I love Anders. Probably the most complex and morally intriguing character in the entire series.

 

Imo, playing DA2 without romancing Anders removes most of the emotional connection to the main plot.

[KCMeredith]

I liked him in Awakening and for most of DA2. Shame he did what he did.

[Ronin09]

I liked him in Awakening and for most of DA2. Shame he did what he did.

 

Yeah the same, I sympathy friended him full in DA2 because of who he was in Awakening and those moments in DA2 where Awakening him came out through the abomination and PTSD. The speech he made at the start of the Last Straw quest and the "incident" itself made it real easy for me to "end" his story in DA2 though.

[Cyberpunk]

He was cooler and more developed than he was in Awakening. Especially from a mage Hawke angle. 

[Bethgael]

Which instances of reform are you thinking about?

 

By the way, never use "Dark Ages" around historians; they'll either feel ill or want to hit you. It's a Renaissance-era anti-Catholic fabrication of Protestants who wanted to look completely superior to their forbears.

Historian. Thank you.

Saved me going up in flames and... I dunno... blowing up a Chantry or sumthin'.

[Nikkolas]

I just want to make this single post on here... I've lurked and lurked and read several topics. I have not actually played anY DA games, I'm getting Origins and DA2 later today however because I want to be able to play Inquisition with my girlfriend and I want to know the "Lore" before I start the game ya know?

 

Anyway, Anders is a prime motivating factor for me to play the games because I have seen more discussion and debate about him than anything else in the series. I am naturally atracted to sources of arguments because I feel like I'm uninformed and stupid when I can't contribute to them so it makes me go out and learn as much as I can.

 

So, while I still have much to learn about the context of his character and actions, I do think it's fair for me to point out one interesting observation.

 

I can't count the number of times I've read "Anders is an absuive manipulative psychopath who is in love with himself and is evil and doesn't care about anyone."

 

But....doesn't Anders spend the majority of DA2 (ie. several long years) running a free clinic? When he is a runaway mage and it be easy for him to just keep his head down and have nobody notice him, didn't he go out of his way to treat anyone who came to him seeking assistance?

 

That does not sound like the actions of a psychopath with a total disregard for life.... Maybe I'm missing something, I dunno. I guess I'll find out when I get to DA2.

[Alonsochirinos7]

Well in my first playtrough i didn't pay any attention to anders and only took him with my party when doing his companion missions. In my second playtrough i always took him with me, i sided with the mages again (i just can't side with Templars, and never did) and having Anders really makes you see the radical point of view of his. O can't say i liked him or disliked him, more like mixed feelings, i think that the mayority selects him because his healing magic.

[DarkTl]

I recently played DAA and then started DA2 right after that.

I like Anders from DAA. You see,

- he has a cat.

- he oozes sarcasm.

- he has cool and funny dialogues with other companions, especially Oghren. Very funny.

- he has a cat. I know I mentioned it already.

 

What do we have in DA2?

- he doen't have a cat.

- no more jokes, no more irony. He's super serious about everything. Even Fenris has more jokes.

- in dialogues with other companions he mostly whines. Sometimes, not too often he actually has a dialogue without whining, but even then it's 100% serious.

- he doen't have a cat.

 

Jokes aside, I feel like the old Anders died once and for all the moment when they merged. Unlike Wynne, whose spirit was on the other side, he became a "good" abomination, probably because there was no veil to protect his soul from unwitting absorption.

And you can't even free the new Anders, like we did once in DAO, because his "demon" is not in the veil.

[Kantr]

I liked him in awakenings. Was meh on him until he blew up the chantry and then I killed him

[Lord Raijin]

I liked him in Awakening and for most of DA2. Shame he did what he did.

 

Shame? Anders is a hero for doing what he did.

[OG Swift]

I liked him before he did what he did - still, I've let him go

[Celicni]

I really like Anders. I actually agreed with almost everything he says (except when he goes full...crazy vengeance justice mode)...Helped that both my warden and Hawke were mages.

Also, ser pounce a lot.

[Starry-eyed]

I adore Anders in DA2 and he is still my favorite companion and romance in the series. I don't have a single playthrough where I don't romance him. I have no problem with what he did and I agree with him that it was necessary.

It doesn't bother me that he goes on a lot about mage issues, I like that about him. He is really passionate about it and it's clearly important to him to bring change where it's needed.

[Eldrid]

I liked him in Awakenings and tried to understand him in DA II but what irks me about him is his betrayal and him losing the real meaning of justice.

 

From there I understood that his humanity was already taken over by Justice, who is already blinded with what he believes to be right but disregarded the consequences of his actions. I would have understood if he targeted the templars especially Meredith but invovling a third party and other innocent people just to prove a point is more of a terrorist act than of a renegade revolutionist. He is no longer Anders and setting him free would just mean another Abomination on the loose in a guise of false justice. I never regretted killing him for what he has done. My only regret is my character wasn't able to save him from himself.

[Lord Raijin]

I liked him in Awakenings and tried to understand him in DA II but what irks me about him is his betrayal and him losing the real meaning of justice.

 

From there I understood that his humanity was already taken over by Justice, who is already blinded with what he believes to be right but disregarded the consequences of his actions. I would have understood if he targeted the templars especially Meredith but invovling a third party and other innocent people just to prove a point is more of a terrorist act than of a renegade revolutionist. He is no longer Anders and setting him free would just mean another Abomination on the loose in a guise of false justice. I never regretted killing him for what he has done. My only regret is my character wasn't able to save him from himself.

 

What Anders did to the Chantry in DA2 was not a terrorist act, and I really wish that people would stop saying that because it isn't true. Anders did too targeted Templar's and Meredith by attacking the main source... The Chantry. Grand Cleric Elthina was Meredith's boss as she was to lead her templar's the moment she was appointed as Knight-Commander.

 

Please read these 2 useful articles regarding to Anders and the Chantry.

 http://thelostgirl21...nders-274235987

http://thelostgirl21...nders-215126442

 

The real terrorist is the Chantry and the Templars. They're responsible for tearing apart families. They take children away from their parents, and shackle them up like criminals in front of their neighbors. People are afraid to take their mage children to the Circle because most of the time they will never see them again. No longer will they be free as the mage committed a crime of being who they are... a mage. The Circle is not just a safe haven for mages to study magic, but it is also a prison. Once you're in it's for life. It is a life sentence.

 

Mages have been systematically abused by the Templar's for a thousand years... yet when one mage decides that enough is enough... People are shocked and are disbelieve at what happen... The mage who fights back become the villainous antagonist, and classified as a terrorist. Yeah that makes a lot of sense.

[Catche Jagger]

What Anders did to the Chantry in DA2 was not a terrorist act, and I really wish that people would stop saying that because it isn't true. Anders did too targeted Templar's and Meredith by attacking the main source... The Chantry. Grand Cleric Elthina was Meredith's boss as she was to lead her templar's the moment she was appointed as Knight-Commander.

Please read these 2 useful articles regarding to Anders and the Chantry.
http://thelostgirl21...nders-274235987

http://thelostgirl21...nders-215126442

The real terrorist is the Chantry and the Templars. They're responsible for tearing apart families. They take children away from their parents, and shackle them up like criminals in front of their neighbors. People are afraid to take their mage children to the Circle because most of the time they will never see them again. No longer will they be free as the mage committed a crime of being who they are... a mage. The Circle is not just a safe haven for mages to study magic, but it is also a prison. Once you're in it's for life. It is a life sentence.

Mages have been systematically abused by the Templar's for a thousand years... yet when one mage decides that enough is enough... People are shocked and are disbelieve at what happen... The mage who fights back become the villainous antagonist, and classified as a terrorist. Yeah that makes a lot of sense.

I'm sorry... what? I understand the drive to fight back against the Templars, but Anders killed many innocents through his actions. Anyone present in the chantry at the time was killed, not just the Grand Cleric, but also any other priests or civilians who happened to be there at the time. People would also be killed by the debris from the explosion.

Again, I can understand wanting to free the mages from the oppression they face, but killing innocents to set off a rebellion does nothing more than validate claims that mages are too dangerous.

[alchemist42]

Sure Anders started the mage war, but then Isabella started the Qunari war, and Merrill got her clan wiped out and was into blood magic, but that’s what made the characters great in DA2, not the usual simple “these are the good guys (i.e. my team), and we’re fighting the bad guys” scenario.   I guess many players prefer stuff that’s either  black or white, not real world realism that comes in many shades of grey.

 

Besides that Anders saved Bethany [or Carver] in the deep roads, saved Varrics brother too, and being the only healer saved the team from oblivion on many missions.   I’m playing DAI at the moment and there’s no character in it with the same depth or impact, love him or hate him, he played a great part in DA2.

 

[Rhiellan]

*carefully raises hand* I love Anders. DA2 was where I first encountered him since I'd never played Awakening. I find his struggle just so touching and sympathize so much with him. He meant well and I really wanted to believe good spirits do exist. Sigh.

[Lilaeth]

I was extremely happy that my Hawke was able to confirm in DAI that he is still alive, and they are still together.  Not that I had ever thougth that wouldn't be the case!

[Bellethiel]

Oh I do like Anders.

 

I just don't like JusticeAnders. Or however we shall call him in DAII. Reminds me of that picture I saw lately, which was summarizing whole DAII game in three words "Damn it Anders".

[SuSuSudio]

Anders is a lot like Walter White - he's so sympathetic and charming early on that the gradual shift to psychopath takes forever to dawn on you. I just finished my first playthrough and avoided getting spoiled about Anders, so I had no idea how bad it would get, but I knew Act III Anders was completely deranged. The hints they drop about him murdering the Knight Commander weren't subtle. Anders was so bad, he was the reason I nearly sided with the Templars after spending 90% of the game trying to protect mages.

 

Maybe some people can help me understand their perspective better, but if somebody blew up the Pentagon to fight American Imperialism, or blew up Mecca to fight Muslim Oppression, or the British Parliament to protest British Secularism, they will never be remembered as anything other than The Bad Guy. You can't kill innocent people in the name of freedom and expect people to run to support you, you'll only fuel your opponent's resolve.

[Eldrid]

What Anders did to the Chantry in DA2 was not a terrorist act, and I really wish that people would stop saying that because it isn't true. Anders did too targeted Templar's and Meredith by attacking the main source... The Chantry. Grand Cleric Elthina was Meredith's boss as she was to lead her templar's the moment she was appointed as Knight-Commander.

 

Please read these 2 useful articles regarding to Anders and the Chantry.

 http://thelostgirl21...nders-274235987

http://thelostgirl21...nders-215126442

 

The real terrorist is the Chantry and the Templars. They're responsible for tearing apart families. They take children away from their parents, and shackle them up like criminals in front of their neighbors. People are afraid to take their mage children to the Circle because most of the time they will never see them again. No longer will they be free as the mage committed a crime of being who they are... a mage. The Circle is not just a safe haven for mages to study magic, but it is also a prison. Once you're in it's for life. It is a life sentence.

 

Mages have been systematically abused by the Templar's for a thousand years... yet when one mage decides that enough is enough... People are shocked and are disbelieve at what happen... The mage who fights back become the villainous antagonist, and classified as a terrorist. Yeah that makes a lot of sense.

 

What he did only justified how dangerous mages can be. He just proven again that mages are to be feared. Even the mages themselves knows that if they lose themselves they are a danger to others.That's why the Circles was formed as a safe haven for them to learn and to be able to use their powers without fear of losing control.  

 

The Circle was also formed because of the abuse of the Old Tevinter Imperium. People were controlled, enslaved and was made sacrifices for abusive magic for hundreds of years during their reign of power. It is not something people can forget.

 

Sure, the Circle is not perfect like any other institutions, they can get corrupted. But that doesn't mean all of Circles and Templars are bad, some mages lived their lives peacefully inside the Circle. There are some Circles who even allowed mages to go back to their homes as long as they have permission.  What went wrong is that there is no system who oversees the rights of the mages. There is no consistent way of running a Circle as each Circle in thedas has different ways of dealing things.  The Chantry and even the Seekers are too biased with the Templars that most of the time they forgot that templars can abuse their powers too. The Circle, Chantry and the Templars all lose sight of what their original purpose is which is to protect people (both magic and non-magic).

 

No matter how Anders tried to justify his actions, he would never erase the fact that he killed innocent people.  Yes, he might have sparked a rebellion but looked at the aftermath it did to his fellow mages. They were shunned, feared and some even lost the only home they could feel safe. 

[ApplesauceBandit]

Anders was fun in Awakening, and then he became a whiny little ****** in DA2, I'm glad i got to kill him, i only wish they let me dance on his corpse afterwards.