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Does Anyone Like Anders?
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#601
Posté 31 janvier 2015 - 01:23
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Posté 31 janvier 2015 - 01:56
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Yes, blowing up old ladies who are advocating peace and compromise instead of open conflict is very admirable.
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Posté 31 janvier 2015 - 02:22
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Honestly, I was turned off by Anders in Awakening; even more so in DA2. And it's weird because I've been sympathetic to mages throughout the series thus far, but Anders just grated on my nerves. I didn't like his personality, including his tendency to be a whiny *****, and while his 'absorbing' Justice may have been noble in thought, it was horrible in practice as it twisted Justice into Vengeance. Throw in the whole 'let's blow up the chantry' crap and he earned that knife I planted in his back.
Also, he was ugly. 
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Posté 02 février 2015 - 08:46
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I liked Anders and felt sorry for the situation he'd got himself into with Justice. In awakening I doubt he'd have suggested the co-habitation if he'd have known the effects.
Game play wise I find him entertaining, especially when dragged around by my pro templar Hawke with Fenris in the party. Then there's sarcastic Hawke who baits Anders hoping Justice will make an appearance.
With Anders character however I would have preferred Justice had a bigger role, it was too easy to forget he was even there.
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Posté 02 février 2015 - 12:59
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I love Anders. I hate Anders and Justice. Anders blew it accepting Justice and not fully understanding the impact of possession. He was a man of ideals and became a Grey Warden. Not only is he tainted, but he is now also the physical being of Justice. Too many contradictions for one single mind. His brutal destruction of the chantry in Kirkwall is completely unjustified. The spirit, in my humble opinion, is becoming warped. He's less Justice and more Vengeance. The taint, the calling, etc. is complicating his heartfelt decisions. He needs to be released of Justice.
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Posté 02 février 2015 - 06:31
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. Then there's sarcastic Hawke who baits Anders hoping Justice will make an appearance.
With Anders character however I would have preferred Justice had a bigger role, it was too easy to forget he was even there.
Is that a real thing or were you just roleplaying? I'll have to try that.
I agree that Vengeance should have been a bigger thing and been central to Anders doing something if he was going to be the one to set things off. Otherwise, why have it?
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Posté 04 février 2015 - 05:33
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Is that a real thing or were you just roleplaying? I'll have to try that.
I agree that Vengeance should have been a bigger thing and been central to Anders doing something if he was going to be the one to set things off. Otherwise, why have it?
It was a while ago now but Humerous/Sarcastic Hawke made justice appear at the the clinic ( he has no sense of humour). And in one of the romance scenes with Anders which was very unexpected. I'm about to do another playthrough, Sarcastic Hawke hasn't done the dlc's yet so Anders is in for another treat.
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Posté 06 février 2015 - 06:11
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Then there's sarcastic Hawke who baits Anders hoping Justice will make an appearance.
I just think of Tony Stark messing with Bruce Banner in The Avengers.
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Posté 07 février 2015 - 01:29
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In Awakening, Anders was kinda funny, and a definite Alistair clone. In this one, he's kinda just there. I don't like/dislike him, but don't use him either.
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Posté 07 février 2015 - 02:28
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Anders has pretty much lost the battle of identity with Justice. He's worn down by the time he reaches Kirkwall. He's struggling to cope with the oppression and tyranny of the Templars under Meredith's iron fist. He is a known apostate by the Chantry and yet, he has freedom because of his Grey Warden status. He's a complicated guy. I sympathize with his views on the Chantry, but he lost out to Justice which in turn, I feel became corrupted (especially since Ander has the taint to make him a Grey Warden) over time in the real world. Justice became Vengeance and Anders ultimately failed us. The mage-templar war was already in the making, but instead of giving more diplomacy a chance... he went for the nuke option. Short-sighted. In my opinion.
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Posté 08 février 2015 - 04:03
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For a start, I didn't think he was very well written. His character is very one dimensional when 90% of his dialogue relates to mage freedom in Kirkwall. This was a real shame as BioWare had a big opportunity to flesh out other aspects of his character such as his relationship with the Grey Wardens, his early life in the Anderfels and (as a mage in a partnership with a spirit of justice) his views of the fade and religion. Sadly, we got very little of these latter aspects instead being constantly bombarded by his anti-circle, anti-templar views, even in his interaction with other party members (who he tends to insult for little reason).
Regarding his character, I thought he was a pretty decent guy in Act 1 (despite his largely hostile personality): he helped Ferelden refugees and even saves one of your siblings if they contract the blight. He later seems to lose sight of his altruism however as his desire for mage freedom consumes him which leads to him becoming less and less likeable. His attack on the chantry is proof of his growing lack of regard for human lives and to me was one of the most idiotic and counter-productive things he could ever have done. It killed a bunch of innocent people which villified Kirwall's mages and forced them into an un-winnable war.
I agree, even though David Gaider wrote Anders in Awakening, while Jennifer Hepler took over the role for Dragon Age II however, David Gaider confirmed, that the role Anders plays in the sequel was set by himself prior to anyone writing him.
I chose to let Anders live because he must learn to live with his own crimes. Anders performed his actions expecting to die for it but that will not atone for his crime because it would only be an escape for what he has done. Anders will have to atone for his crime but killing him will only be an escape from the task of redemption.
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Posté 08 février 2015 - 04:16
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Anders was the worst person to me, not necessarily a bad character, but I personally wouldn't be able to get along with him considering how selfish and ignorant he was on so many matters.
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Posté 08 février 2015 - 07:55
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Anders has pretty much lost the battle of identity with Justice. He's worn down by the time he reaches Kirkwall. He's struggling to cope with the oppression and tyranny of the Templars under Meredith's iron fist. He is a known apostate by the Chantry and yet, he has freedom because of his Grey Warden status. He's a complicated guy. I sympathize with his views on the Chantry, but he lost out to Justice which in turn, I feel became corrupted (especially since Ander has the taint to make him a Grey Warden) over time in the real world. Justice became Vengeance and Anders ultimately failed us. The mage-templar war was already in the making, but instead of giving more diplomacy a chance... he went for the nuke option. Short-sighted. In my opinion.
According to him, they are no longer separate beings but are one entity.
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Posté 08 février 2015 - 08:10
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According to him, they are no longer separate beings but are one entity.
It kinda makes the quest for a Tevinter potion that will free Justice from him without harming either of them pointless.
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Posté 08 février 2015 - 08:26
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I liked him until he blew up the Chantry then I killed him.
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Posté 08 février 2015 - 08:38
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It kinda makes the quest for a Tevinter potion that will free Justice from him without harming either of them pointless.
Wasn't that a cover and he was actually making his bomb? So now that we are bringing the two together, a player paying close attention could recall that and say "hey wait a second...", but there was no option for Hawke to remember that. Anders could just keep BS'ing and say that the potion separates them again, blah blah blah.
It reminds me of playing Deus Ex where I knew there was sabotage but couldn't find a way to warn anyone. There was a way, but I guess I didn't talk to the right person.
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Posté 08 février 2015 - 08:48
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Wasn't that a cover and he was actually making his bomb? So now that we are bringing the two together, a player paying close attention could recall that and say "hey wait a second...", but there was no option for Hawke to remember that. Anders could just keep BS'ing and say that the potion separates them again, blah blah blah.
It reminds me of playing Deus Ex where I knew there was sabotage but couldn't find a way to warn anyone. There was a way, but I guess I didn't talk to the right person.
Even if you don't do the quest, Anders will still make the bombs no matter what.
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Posté 08 février 2015 - 09:05
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As a meatbag to be slaughtered, yes.
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Posté 08 février 2015 - 09:40
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As a meatbag to be slaughtered, yes.
HK47. 
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Posté 08 février 2015 - 10:12
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HK47.
One of my all-time favorite game characters.
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Posté 08 février 2015 - 10:12
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Even if you don't do the quest, Anders will still make the bombs no matter what.
THAT is what made the choice pointless.
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Posté 08 février 2015 - 11:56
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THAT is what made the choice pointless.
I wonder why Jennifer Hepler took over the Anders role in Dragon Age 2 to make that quest pointless? From what I understand, she claims she doesn't like Video games or something along the lines but it doesn't mean she had to do such a p!ss poor job in Dragon Age 2.
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Posté 09 février 2015 - 01:53
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Personally, I began to dislike him in DAA already. More precisely during his personal quest after I refused to do it.
My reasoning was that the last thing the Wardens needed was to make an enemy out of the Chantry. When you explain this, he accuses us of having made him trade one set of chains for another.
Buddy, we are a order that takes the deadliest pestilence known to man that, according to common belief, is the very curse the Maker unleashed upon humanity. We will never have children, we will never sleep well again, we will always be connected to the horde and we are all living on borrowed time. We will all die alone and unmourned if there isn't a Blight occurring. We do this so that we may spend our lives fighting pestilence and darkness made manifest.
If you thought this was about having freedom, you are in the wrong Order. Only when you see a Broodmother with your own eyes and learn how they are made will you understand the duty we carry until the day we die. A duty that can not be forsworn.
And then he flees and starts an world war.
My reasoning was that the last thing the Wardens needed was to make an enemy out of the Chantry. When you explain this, he accuses us of having made him trade one set of chains for another.
Buddy, we are a order that takes the deadliest pestilence known to man that, according to common belief, is the very curse the Maker unleashed upon humanity. We will never have children, we will never sleep well again, we will always be connected to the horde and we are all living on borrowed time. We will all die alone and unmourned if there isn't a Blight occurring. We do this so that we may spend our lives fighting pestilence and darkness made manifest.
If you thought this was about having freedom, you are in the wrong Order. Only when you see a Broodmother with your own eyes and learn how they are made will you understand the duty we carry until the day we die. A duty that can not be forsworn.
And then he flees and starts an world war.
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Posté 09 février 2015 - 03:05
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I only spared him, because of DAO:A, but no he's dead to me.
