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[DrBlingzle]

I'm pro-mage but I really like him. He's actually a good contrast to Anders. Both have had bad experiences with mages/templars and that has both coloured their opinions. It's easy to criticise Fenris for painting all mages with the same brush and tell ourselves that we wouldn't do that even if we had the same experiences as fenris but psychological tests and history have have shown that most people do this sort of thing after having a very bad and traumatic experience with something. Fenris can actually become much more tolerant if you rival him especially if you romance him as a mage. 

[Lulupab]

Rival fenris is quite nice actually, you can open his eyes especially if you are a mage yourself. But I agree with what you said about friend Fenris, however I don't hate him. He is annoying and that's all, he never betrays you and for this very reason I never kill him or sell him, I don't even think about it.

There is a scene where you can yell "shut up Fenris", that was oddly satisfying. Can't remember when but if you rival him the dialogue is there.

[Riven326]

I like his dialogue most of the time. I agree with much of what he says. As for the character himself, well, I think he looks ridiculous. Fenris would be more at home in a Final Fantasy game, IMO.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 In-world he gets along well enough with my canon characters, who are sort of in the middle-ground between pro-mage and pro-Chantry.

 

 

Out-of-world, eh... I just find him hard to take him seriously as a character is all. I've called him a Slave Sue, because despite being illiterate and either [closed off from the outside world] or [on the run], he's remarkably well-spoken and enlightened on things that are not common-knowledge to the average citizen (of Thedas). His portrayal just does not match what I've seen of people "like" him, in my experiences (servants in third-world countries with minimal to no education being the closest analogue, though admittedly no actual slaves). It just kind of feels like David Gaider created his own personal elven husbando and didn't put too much thought into how realistic that character was for his background as a slave, kind of like the way Drew Karpyshyn (sp?) designed his fantasy blue space babe archaeologist waifu in Mass Effect.

[Lazarillo]

My least favorite companion in the game.  He felt sort of...tacked on in a lot of ways.  Sort of a "hey guys we need another Warrior so can you hack together a token Templar-supporter right quick?"-feeling situation.  He feels more shallow than anyone else (having played as a rival I didn't see any of this "opening his eyes" that others seem to claim), like he's just there to growl about how awful mages are.  Every other companion, I can more or less picture having their own life, but with Fenris, it's like "what does he do all day?".

 

To top it all off, he had exactly zero relevance to the story.  He could dropped completely and nothing would be any different in any other part of the game (though to be fair on this one, he's not the only companion I could say this about...particularly Merrill.  But at least Merrill was both amusing and a little more fleshed out).

[DracoAngel]

One of my favorite DA2 characters (right behind Varric). Yes, he can be moody and he does have a bit of a one-sided opinion concerning mages. BUT, unlike Anders he understands that not all mages are the same, it's just hard for him to completely imagine seeing as he had yet to meet a mage that wasn't like Danarius until he meets a mage Hawke or Bethany. In party banter he admits that not all mages are weak, specifically pointing out either Hawke or Bethany (which Anders gets very offended about). But seeing as he's been in a lifetime of servitude until about 3yrs prior to meeting Hawke to do Maker knows what, I think he's entitled to be sour about mages.

[Icy Magebane]

Fenris was my favorite party member... I found him useful in nearly every combat situation and enjoyed his dialogue and personal quests.  I can understand why he'd rub some folks the wrong way, though...

[Drasanil]

Fenris needs some proper footwear. 

[Ryriena]

I love him he's one of my favorites other than Anders and Varric.

[Dutchess]

I really like him.  I feel he is often misunderstood and gets too easily brushed off as "hating all mages" while he is in fact surprisingly reasonable in his views and how he phrases them. The discussion you have with him upon first entering the Gallows is calm and rational and he makes valid points. He is well aware that mages are people too, but that this is what makes them dangerous. Everyone or nearly everyone has a price, a breaking point, and can give in to temptation. That doesn't make them weak or evil but human (or elven). The problem is that when a mage succumbs to his/her own weakness you tend to get something capable of doing a lot of damage (blood mage or abomination) and many innocent people can get hurt. Locking mages up to protect the ordinary people is not ideal, but Fenris has lived the alternative where the magisters rule and use the blood of others to stay on top. It's not so strange that he then does not support letting other mages out of their Circles.

 

While his view on mages as people is pretty reasonable and not blinded by hatred, he does have the strong tendency to blame his own personal suffering on magic. I feel this is mostly a defense mechanism. Fenris is dealing with so much throughout the game, he tries to find out what it means to be free and what to do with his life while his old master continues to hunt him and makes it impossible for him to get the peace of mind he needs to get to know himself as a person and decide how he wants to live his life. It's then easier to blame issues like his loneliness, hesitance to trust and let people close and his inability to move on while Danarius is still alive all on Danarius and magic. The markings permanently set him apart from all other elves, define him as the tool Danarius wanted him to be and cause him constant pain or at least discomfort. Naturally his tendency is to go "this sucks, I hate the magic that has done this to me! It would all be better if there was no magic!". If Hawke friends him, he is allowed to maintain this mindset and therefore has to carry less responsibility for his own misery. As a result he is more relaxed and at peace after Alone. When rivaled, Hawke constantly pushes him to move on, let go, and reminds him that he is making a choice when he sits in his mansion and is being lonely, that it is not all because of magic. That is more of bitter pill to swallow, hence his tendency to occasionally lash out at Hawke and act more frustrated. Knowing Danarius is finally dead but that it does not automatically make him happy and solve all other problems (loneliness, having no other purpose in his life after killing Danny) is a nasty thing to discover. 

 

This post probably became too long. Again. Just don't kill poor Fenris. Or worse: hand him over to Danarius.

[steamcamel]

I despised him at first, but he's grown on me since I experienced the rivalry.

 

He may seem whiny at first, but he enjoys a good, sarcastic quip, and the banter between him and Isabela is hilarious. He offers some good exposition on life in the Tevinter Imperium.

 

And he also delivered one of the best line in DA2: "Aw, Hawke stepped in the poopy".

[KaiserShep]

 In-world he gets along well enough with my canon characters, who are sort of in the middle-ground between pro-mage and pro-Chantry.

 

 

Out-of-world, eh... I just find him hard to take him seriously as a character is all. I've called him a Slave Sue, because despite being illiterate and either [closed off from the outside world] or [on the run], he's remarkably well-spoken and enlightened on things that are not common-knowledge to the average citizen (of Thedas). His portrayal just does not match what I've seen of people "like" him, in my experiences (servants in third-world countries with minimal to no education being the closest analogue, though admittedly no actual slaves). It just kind of feels like David Gaider created his own personal elven husbando and didn't put too much thought into how realistic that character was for his background as a slave, kind of like the way Drew Karpyshyn (sp?) designed his fantasy blue space babe archaeologist waifu in Mass Effect.

 

I really like Fenris as a character, but this is exactly my issue with him as well. When my Hawke gifted him the book, and he said something about being permitted to read, I was like "Uh...ok, educated not-educated dude." But then there was this passing line Hawke can have when investigating points in the Hawke estate, and she says something to the effect of "Fenris' reading has improved" I was like oh come on. I'd like to reconcile this by pretending that it's leftovers from his life before he lost his memory, but I've since given it up and just roll with it. 

 

In any case, Fenris ended up having some of my favorite moments in the game, especially in the end. Sometimes I'll skip giving him the sword of mercy and will have his friendship just high enough that he will first abandon Hawke when I pick the mages, then he changes his mind at the last minute in the gallows. I think it's my favorite way for his story to play out.

[Dutchess]

 In-world he gets along well enough with my canon characters, who are sort of in the middle-ground between pro-mage and pro-Chantry.

 

 

Out-of-world, eh... I just find him hard to take him seriously as a character is all. I've called him a Slave Sue, because despite being illiterate and either [closed off from the outside world] or [on the run], he's remarkably well-spoken and enlightened on things that are not common-knowledge to the average citizen (of Thedas). His portrayal just does not match what I've seen of people "like" him, in my experiences (servants in third-world countries with minimal to no education being the closest analogue, though admittedly no actual slaves). It just kind of feels like David Gaider created his own personal elven husbando and didn't put too much thought into how realistic that character was for his background as a slave, kind of like the way Drew Karpyshyn (sp?) designed his fantasy blue space babe archaeologist waifu in Mass Effect.

 

Though you do have a point, I think this can for a large part be explained by Fenris being a slave to one of the most powerful magisters of the Tevinter Imperium. He served as a Danarius' bodyguard and would therefore (nearly) always have been in his master's presence and therefore the presence of other magisters and Tevinter nobility. This would have influenced his vocabulary, despite his inability to read. Maybe Danarius even insisted on Fenris speaking properly so his prized pet does not sound like a simple elf picked up from a slum? All Fenris' uncommon knowledge also seems to stem from being in Danarius' presence all the time. He offers information on the ways of the Imperium and the magisters, all things he has witnessed or must have heard his master speak about. The only thing he maybe shouldn't have heard about is Shartan, the elf who aided Andraste and helped free the elves from Tevinter (or... something like that, right?). I don't think Danarius would really talk about that, and it's also not something that should come up when magisters discuss more recent slave rebellions. 

[Xilizhra]

He's better than virtually every templar, I'll give him that much.

 

I don't hate him, but I find relatively little for me to really like him either. I don't necessarily blame him for his viewpoints, but I still think they're wrong and I find him to be, by and large, an unpleasant person with whom I wouldn't normally spend much time. I'll try to help him if he wants to be helped, but I can't find it in myself to friend him because it feels dishonest to my Hawke's character, and all the pro-mage actions she takes.

[Who Knows]

The fact that he is so eager to help the templars annul the Circle makes me dislike him overall. It is one thing to refuse to help the mages, quite another to help kill them all.

[bazzag]

I'm not a big fan of Fenris, but i understand his character because of what he's been through. Sometimes understanding a character is better than whether you like them or not

[bazzag]

The fact that he is so eager to help the templars annul the Circle makes me dislike him overall. It is one thing to refuse to help the mages, quite another to help kill them all.

 

This reminds me of one of the most hilarious moments I had in my first playthrough. 1st time round, i didn't get on with Fenris. He wasn't a rival, but not a friend either. he was somewhere in the middle. When i decided to side with the mages, he left and helped the templars. When it came to just before the final fight against Orsino, I bumped into Fenris. Fenris said something that was like 'mages!boo!'. My Hawke said something like 'But Fenris, aren't you against slavery?' Fenris: "I'm sorry human, I shall go with my friend" Me: Wut?  

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I see Fenris and Anders in the same light.  Both extremists that I can't really stand.  I love having Aveline, Isabela, and Varric around.  They seem the most level headed of the bunch.  Fenris, I mostly ignore his BS and I notice that at times he notices Hawke not giving him that much attention.  I have no problem convincing him to help me free the mages in the end as well so I don't know what I am doing right with him.
 

I did like him combat wise.  His personal skill tree is useful for CCing groups.  I like to give him sandal's rune to make him even faster.

[Drasanil]

I see Fenris and Anders in the same light.  Both extremists that I can't really stand. 

 

Fenris isn't really an extremist though, his position is that of mainstream Thedas. Namely, that keeping mages in the circles is best for everyone. 

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Fenris isn't really an extremist though, his position is that of mainstream Thedas. Namely, that keeping mages in the circles is best for everyone. 

 

that's fair

[Lazarillo]

Fenris isn't really an extremist though, his position is that of mainstream Thedas. Namely, that keeping mages in the circles is best for everyone. 

 

But mainstream Thedas doesn't manage to finagle every other conversation into a tirade on how awful mages are.

[Drasanil]

But mainstream Thedas doesn't manage to finagle every other conversation into a tirade on how awful mages are.

 

Probably because, apart for Fenris, we get to talk to surprisingly few normal people about it.