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[themikefest]

I don't mind him.  He needs some footwear.

[Darkly Tranquil]

I dislike Fenris for the same reason I dislike Anders - they just go on and on about their pet grievance. We get it, you were a slave and your master abused you, we can go five minutes without reminding us. I spent a lot of DA2 wishing I could just knock their heads together to make them STFU.

TBH, I disliked most of the DA2 companions, the only ones who weren't a pain in some way were Varric and Aveline (and Bethany). Everyone else I wanted to throttle at one point or another.

[Exile Isan]

Fenris is one of my favorite characters in all of the DA2 (Carver being my absolute favorite). One thing I really like about Fenris is that even though he had horrible things done to him by a mage he does not want all mages dead (just those that tormented him). All other mages he does want locked up though for the most part but not dead. For example if you don't stop Anders from killing Ella you get rivalry points with Fenris. Which is a nice little nuance about his character that I loved.

 

And to be fair by the end of DA2 my mage Hawke was like F-you mages. *stalks out of Kirkwall*

[GreyValyria]

I liked Fenris a lot. I played through the game mostly pro-mage, and his adamancy was a bit tiresome, but by the end of the game I was pretty fed up with the mages as well. Plus, having seen first hand what happens when power and magic go unchecked in Tevinter, it's understandable why he would have such an opinion. This doesn't excuse bigotry, but being set in his ways is a character flaw that I can accept.

 

Still, it would've been nice had the writing allowed for a little more growth from the characters. I wouldn't want Fenris doing a complete 180 and working with Anders to free mages or any of the characters to have complete changes like that. But it would've been nice to see a little more growth from some of the characters after 7 years working side by side with people of differing opinions. 

[RobRam10]

A good tool but alas not my tool. I returned him to his rightful master and helped his sister in the process.

[renfrees]

I bet half of those, who hates Fenris, get their prejudice from that one phrase about viper, when their protective instinct for Bethany kicked in. And then they're set on ignoring anything he says, even though he makes valid points in many conversations.

[Ferretinabun]

He's a character who seems more flawed the more I think about it.

 

While his views may not be 'extremist', he is clearly there to be the counter-balance to Anders in your party - as pro-templar as Anders is pro-mage.

 

The point about him being 'educated, non-educated' doesn't really bother me because we don't know what sort of a life he had before becoming branded. He could easily have lived a well-off life before being, say, captured and sold into slavery.

 

What does bother me more is how he apparently has no life over the course of the game. How is he able to hang on to that mansion? How does he afford to eat? Why does he never clean up at all? He is easily the least story-integral of the companions - and that includes the DLC Sebastian!

 

In combat, he's quite the liability. I want him to be a godly chainsaw, but any other melee fighters in the group (and even the occasional ranged one) will more than likely get their legs scythed off by him every so often. Powerful, but needs constant babysitting.

 

I also feel I need to turn a blind eye to his look. We don't know much about the art style of Tevinter (at least, I don't), but he does look rather... eccentric. And his comically enormous sword made me wince too.

 

But having said all this, I find his flaws rather easy to overlook. Maybe he hires himself out for mercenary work for shopping money. Maybe his look IS typical of a Tevinter slave. So what if he is the least plot-important companion? In fact I romanced him in my canon playthrough - I find his relationship rather satisfying and gives him more to say than merely whining about mages and slave-masters.

[Dutchess]

^It is mentioned in his Act 2 codex that he takes on mercenary jobs. Combined with working for Hawke (and presumably earning a share of the profits) this should be enough coin for Fenris to survive on. Being allowed to stay in the mansion is for a large part thanks to Aveline, who does her best to dismiss inquiries and complaints of the nobles on the matter in the first three years of his stay. His status as a "friend of the Champion" is probably what allows him to stay after Act 2.

 

As for the mess in the mansion... either Fenris is really gross or this is an oversight on Bioware's part. I'm heavily leaning towards the latter, because if there's one thing that is clear about DA2 it's that the focus was not on having environments change.

[KaiserShep]

I bet half of those, who hates Fenris, get their prejudice from that one phrase about viper, when their protective instinct for Bethany kicked in. And then they're set on ignoring anything he says, even though he makes valid points in many conversations.

 

Can't lie. In Hawke's shoes, Fenris would have been on my sh**-list that very moment. Gave him a chance, but that was a few demerits right there.

[TheMadHarridan]

I actually really like Fenris. He's also my favorite character to romance, despite the three years of painful celibacy for my poor Hawke. Does he have flaws? Of course. Is he justified in being hostile to anyone who decides to wear robes or wield a staff? No way. However, he is a very damaged character with a tragic, painful past. He was abused by a brutal, cruel mage and almost every other mage he has encountered has been either possessed or a blood mage who consorts with demons. It's understandable that he's distrustful, and I cut him some slack because of this. Fenris does go overboard with that, as I think he should at least give the mages a chance, but it's understandable that he doesn't welcome them with open arms.

 

His appearance is very Final Fantasy/anime, and it was definitely jarring the first time I played DA2. I remember turning to my husband and saying, "Look, honey. It's a Final Fantasy escapee." I think if Fenris' hair wasn't white he wouldn't be quite so anime, but I suspect that white is not his natural hair color but a side effect of the lyrium tattoos. However, since my first playthrough I've come to like his appearance. Considering most of the Elves in DA2 look like deformed giraffes, Fenris is a welcome change. And his voice actor (Gideon Emery) is divine.

[Annarl]

When I first started playing the game, I thought I was going to hate him. I mean I had just helped him out and he was standing there giving me grief about my sister.  My character was thinking...oh no you don't. lol  

 

But in the end I liked him and romanced him and could understand how his views were shaped and  he learns to bend a little.

 

He was a good character. He evokes strong emotion, whether you like him or not.

[AlexiaRevan]

Hum....

1-he is pretty looking and yes he need shoes (that bugged me like hell)

2-he is jut as whiny as Anders  although I liked his talk more.....then Anders

3-I found him a bit bossy though.....but fine overall . 

I play mostly pro-mage..so he had to suck it up 

[Abraham_uk]

Do you know what bothers me more than Fenris?

Painting all moody characters under the "whiney" brush.

 

 

So I would like to make a differentiation.

 

 

People who have suffered loss, been through harsh and traumatic experiences and end up being moody are in fact strong characters. Imagine the temptation to end ones life, drink their sorrows with booze, but these individuals choose to live. Often in a saddened state but that is understandable. This makes the saddened characters relatable. Sure they've been through extraordinary circumstances but they show that they are capable of having an emotional reaction to those circumstances.

 

 

Whiney people to me are individuals who have no reason to be grumpy about anything. They don't suffer from any kind of mental illness. They don't have any problems, no traumatic experiences and no losses. They are just ungrateful. I wouldn't put Anders and Fenris in this category.

 

 

Anders and Fenris from Dragon Age 2 are individuals who have suffered a lot! They are both individuals who are trying to make sense of a world that has been very unkind towards them. They have both developed their own ways of dealing with their anger and melancholy. Their experiences, actions and dialogue actually shape them into fully fleshed out characters. To me they are not whiney. They are damaged people with a lot of bitterness which to my mind is understandable. 

[nightscrawl]

There is a scene where you can yell "shut up Fenris", that was oddly satisfying. Can't remember when but if you rival him the dialogue is there.

 

LOL I love Fenris to bits, but I would love to see this line. I'm doing a rival play at the moment, so I do hope I'll get to see it. I plan on picking the red options for him most of the time.

 

It's been interesting to see the responses when you use the red options with him, and also how those are misrepresented by the paraphrases. "You whine too much" becomes "You know, you could stop dwelling on the past," followed by his great response, "I could."

 

[AlexiaRevan]

Do you know what bothers me more than Fenris?

Painting all moody characters under the "whiney" brush.

 

 

So I would like to make a differentiation.

 

 

People who have suffered loss, been through harsh and traumatic experiences and end up being moody are in fact strong characters. Imagine the temptation to end ones life, drink their sorrows with booze, but these individuals choose to live. Often in a saddened state but that is understandable. This makes the saddened characters relatable. Sure they've been through extraordinary circumstances but they show that they are capable of having emotions reaction to those circumstances.

 

 

Whiney people to me are individuals who have no reason to be grumpy about anything. They don't suffer from any kind of mental illness. They don't have any problems, no traumatic experiences and no losses. They are just ungrateful. I wouldn't put Anders and Fenris in this category.

 

 

Anders and Fenris from Dragon Age 2 are individuals who have suffered a lot! They are both individuals who are trying to make sense of a world that has been very unkind towards them. They have both developed their own ways of dealing with their anger and melancholy. Their experiences, actions and dialogue actually shape them into fully fleshed out characters. To me they are not whiney. They are damaged people with a lot of bitterness which to my mind is understandable. 

while I agree with ya , I still gonna say they are whiney . Why? because , when they start asking you take to their cause (just or unjust) and you previously said (I stand by mage/Templar) and they just keep going at it on and on . The whole time you have to clean everyone mess in Kirkwall , and really......it is a downer . It become whining to me . 

Everytime I speak to Anders it's about the mages....he has nothing else to say . Everytime I speak to fenris is about Danarius (?) . Everytime I drag them into a quest , they are both eager to point at stuff that irk them . 

 

I do understand that their goals is important to them , they suffered greatly and everything . But your charachter isn't a shrink and has issue as well . Heck you lose your mother in the most horrifying way...and you get one cutscene about it . And then never hear about it...I wanted to whine too!!  (well I had carver/Bethany die in deep road)..so hell yeah , my Hawke needed to vent and couldn't . 

A hero isn't made of stone , he or she has emotions and a breaking point . Not letting me vent but exepecting me to shoulder everyone grief.....no way . And you don't have to agree with this..tis just my opinion 

[BartDude52]

He's just too much of a bitter and mean-spirited character for me to actually like him. I also hate how mean he (and Anders for that matter) is to Merrill; for example, saying how he isn't sorry that Keeper Marethari is dead, but rather that he's sorry that she died for Merrill. That is such a disgusting thing to say to someone, if you ask me - only someone as despicable as Fenris could actually say something like that. I honestly can't stand people like him.

[Abraham_uk]

while I agree with ya , I still gonna say they are whiney . Why? because , when they start asking you take to their cause (just or unjust) and you previously said (I stand by mage/Templar) and they just keep going at it on and on . The whole time you have to clean everyone mess in Kirkwall , and really......it is a downer . It become whining to me . 

Everytime I speak to Anders it's about the mages....he has nothing else to say . Everytime I speak to fenris is about Danarius (?) . Everytime I drag them into a quest , they are both eager to point at stuff that irk them . 

 

I do understand that their goals is important to them , they suffered greatly and everything . But your charachter isn't a shrink and has issue as well . Heck you lose your mother in the most horrifying way...and you get one cutscene about it . And then never hear about it...I wanted to whine too!!  (well I had carver/Bethany die in deep road)..so hell yeah , my Hawke needed to vent and couldn't . 

A hero isn't made of stone , he or she has emotions and a breaking point . Not letting me vent but exepecting me to shoulder everyone grief.....no way . And you don't have to agree with this..tis just my opinion 

 

 

You make it sound like this.

 

Fenris: I know you have been through a lot Hawke. But my problems are more important! Now are you going to help me take down Denarius or not?

Hawke: [Sigh] Fine. You know my mother died today. I'm a bit choked up about it and could use a shoulder to cry on.

Fenris: You can blubber when Denarius is flubber!

Anders: Oh and don't forget that favour you owe me!

[AlexiaRevan]

You make it sound like this.

 

Fenris: I know you have been through a lot Hawke. But my problems are more important! Now are you going to help me take down Denarius or not?

Hawke: [Sigh] Fine. You know my mother died today. I'm a bit choked up about it and could use a shoulder to cry on.

Fenris: You can blubber when Denarius is flubber!

Anders: Oh and don't forget that favour you owe me!

(....later.....) 

Hawke: *hic* then Fenris reminded me about Danarius...that was...*hic*..the 3rd time today!

Isabela: Here sweet thing , drink more!

Hawke: *hic* mumble mumble*hic* 

 

 (my game was fun , lot of drinking and card game involved) 

[MissOuJ]

Rival fenris is quite nice actually, you can open his eyes especially if you are a mage yourself. But I agree with what you said about friend Fenris, however I don't hate him. He is annoying and that's all, he never betrays you and for this very reason I never kill him or sell him, I don't even think about it.

There is a scene where you can yell "shut up Fenris", that was oddly satisfying. Can't remember when but if you rival him the dialogue is there.

 

Yes, this, basically.

 

I totally get where Fenris is coming from and why he's cautious of mages, but at the same time he's like "la la la can't hear you!" when you point out to him that outside Tevinter it's the mages who get used and abused (in addition to elves, but that's another discussion altogether). Also at times he's just plain nasty, judgemental bully... but that's true of almost all of your companions. He's a trauma survivor and I usually let him get away with a lot of stuff because of that, though. I don't even find him particularly annoying most of the time. Well, he complains a lot, but he's kinda entitled to it when it comes to Tevinter and slavery, not so much when he starts with the "all mages are evil" spiel.

 

I usually prefer Friendship paths and I generally hate needling Fenris and making him even angrier than he usually is, but being his diversity hire when you play as a mage is just grating in my opinion. I always remember his dialogue at the end of his act 2 quest when he asks "What has magic touched that it doesn't spoil?" and I'm always like "well, eff you too!" because 1) I usually play a mage, and even if I don't 2) Bethany: alive or not - you don't badmouth my baby sister like that. And I just can't let that completely slide - even if I've already locked him into Friendship, I imagine my pro-mage Hawkes never completely forgive him for that particular comment.

 

Never understood how people could sell him, personally. I understand if you can't max him one way or another and side with the mages and he decides to go against you and you have to kill him, which, fine. He's entitled to his own decisions. But how people can actually sell him back to slavery is just way, way beyond me.

[Dabrikishaw]

At first I didn't like him at all, now I can appreciate his damage output in gameplay and his information on Tevinter and the Qunari. Unless I'm playing anti-mage or pro-Templar his story ends only one way for me. siding with the Templars and dying to Hawke.

[Icy Magebane]

I bet half of those, who hates Fenris, get their prejudice from that one phrase about viper, when their protective instinct for Bethany kicked in. And then they're set on ignoring anything he says, even though he makes valid points in many conversations.

 

Can't lie. In Hawke's shoes, Fenris would have been on my sh**-list that very moment. Gave him a chance, but that was a few demerits right there.

To be fair, Fenris didn't even know that Bethany was Hawke's sister when he said that... he only knew that she was a mage who happened to be traveling with Hawke.  I think he probably still would have said it even if he did know, but that's just speculation... 

 

That's kind of why I never liked Bethany tbh.  If she had been an annoying d-bag instead of Carver, I doubt people would be so quick to leap to her defense (and all mages by extension)...

[KaiserShep]

It occurred to me that he wouldn't have known at the time, but it really doesn't make any difference as far as I'm concerned. Sister or no, she's still a companion to Hawke in some capacity, which is more than enough.

[Undead Han]

Good voice actor.

 

A little too broody.

 

The Final Fantasy is strong with this one. 

[Exaltation]

My male Mage Hawke romanced Fenris.
The relationship was interesting lol. (Friend path)

[Dutchess]

while I agree with ya , I still gonna say they are whiney . Why? because , when they start asking you take to their cause (just or unjust) and you previously said (I stand by mage/Templar) and they just keep going at it on and on . The whole time you have to clean everyone mess in Kirkwall , and really......it is a downer . It become whining to me . 

Everytime I speak to Anders it's about the mages....he has nothing else to say . Everytime I speak to fenris is about Danarius (?) . Everytime I drag them into a quest , they are both eager to point at stuff that irk them . 

 

I do understand that their goals is important to them , they suffered greatly and everything . But your charachter isn't a shrink and has issue as well . Heck you lose your mother in the most horrifying way...and you get one cutscene about it . And then never hear about it...I wanted to whine too!!  (well I had carver/Bethany die in deep road)..so hell yeah , my Hawke needed to vent and couldn't . 

A hero isn't made of stone , he or she has emotions and a breaking point . Not letting me vent but exepecting me to shoulder everyone grief.....no way . And you don't have to agree with this..tis just my opinion 

 

I think this is the unfortunate consequence of the companions' word budget revolving around their personal quests this time. You get quite a bit of information on what they're focused on, but everything else is neglected. Then again, not every companion in DAO gave you the chance to mourn about your murdered family (noble origin) either. Personal stuff for the PC tends to be quite rare.