as i recall, Hawke can say that Fenris just changing one master for another. and that triggers rival Fenris to side with mages... really? is that a respect for Hawke you mentioned before? so yeah rival Fenris siding with mages - laughable.
Again, this is not full rivalry you're talking about. Full friendship or rivalry means Fenris sides with whatever Hawke decides. If the relationship is not maxed, he will side with the templars initially. If you're on the friendship path, you can later convince him to return to your side with the dialogue option you mentioned. If he's on the rivalry path with Hawke no dialogue can convince him to switch sides. Or this is after you've passed 50% rivalry. I'm not sure. It is, however, different from the scenario you are suggesting.
Upon another cases. You see Fenris is in dire need for help. Any help really. Without Hawke and co, he can't stand against Danarius. Which means he was on a suicide mission from the very beginning.
The mission being what, exactly? Initially he simply fled away from Danarius, who then pursued Fenris by sending lots of hunters after him. Fenris has successfully stayed out of their grasp for three years. He hired Hawke to investigate the bait the hunters had set up for him and then asked help for confronting Danarius in his mansion to finally turn the chase around. Should Fenris have kept running for eternity? Danarius was not going to give up. On his own, he was bound to be captured eventually, if that's what you mean. So Fenris realizes he needs help and finds it. How is this wrong on his part? It's hardly his fault he can't best all the means a Tevinter magister has at his disposal. As long as Danarius lives he can't start a new life as a free man, because at some point his former master can show up to destroy it all.
This xenos murdered a mage.. Hadriana in cold blood, and after that he actually can feel loss and betrayal? Really?
There's something wrong. You're feeling sorry for Hadriana. Just because she's a mage? That woman tormented him for years and Fenris found the hard way he is unable to move past the hatred he feels for her as a result. He genuinely regrets that he could not keep his word to her because it shows how much his past and the people in it are still controlling him. So much so that it brings him to break his own promise. Fenris is the victim in this situation, and claiming Hadriana is just because she had been defeated in battle is not right. Had it been the other way around - if Fenris had been the one to lose and lie on the floor like that - she would have dragged him back to Tevinter in chains. Then Fenris would have been the helpless one. Only then would her actions have been wrong? Or are mages just supposed to win?
[quote[Also if i recall Fenris wanted these markings. So the pain he suffered, he actually deserved. Action => consequence. So i believe he was in the great pain after all, and as result he suffered psychic trauma sure.[/quote]
Wow. He did not want the markings. He did not know he would receive the markings if he won the boon (word of Gaider). All he knew was that he could earn a boon, and he used that boon to have his mother and sister freed from slavery. But yeah, if you want that, you totally deserve to undergo agony so traumatic that it wipes your memory.
And about slave girl, her willingness to be a slave should not be taken into consideration at all, especially as argument to somehow justify Fenris and his behavior. He knows that he can't do **** without Hawke, so his standing as anti slaver crumbles under the weight of his own needs and agendas.
It's true Fenris is not entirely selfless. Absolutely. But what exactly was he supposed to do when Hawke claimed the slave? He vehemently protested and Hawke said "nope". All that he could have done then was fight Hawke & co. That would likely have gotten him killed. And if he had won, he had a young, naive slave girl he cannot take care of. In a cave filled with slave hunters and the apprentice of Danarius. What was his alternative, according to you?
Edit: damnit, renfrees.
I could have known the new post would render my long ramblings moot.