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[Xilizhra]

There's something wrong. You're feeling sorry for Hadriana. Just because she's a mage? That woman tormented him for years and Fenris found the hard way he is unable to move past the hatred he feels for her as a result. He genuinely regrets that he could not keep his word to her because it shows how much his past and the people in it are still controlling him. So much so that it brings him to break his own promise. Fenris is the victim in this situation, and claiming Hadriana is just because she had been defeated in battle is not right. Had it been the other way around - if Fenris had been the one to lose and lie on the floor like that - she would have dragged him back to Tevinter in chains. Then Fenris would have been the helpless one. Only then would her actions have been wrong? Or are mages just supposed to win?

Had Hadriana died in battle, she wouldn't have been a victim, no. However, what Fenris did was murder a helpless woman, so at that point in time, she was a victim (not that Fenris wasn't, of other things).

[Who Knows]

Meh. I don't like Fenris that much, but I don't fault him at all for Hadriana.

[Dean_the_Young]

What do I think of Fenris?

 

The guy has PTSD. His attitude towards mages, while reasoned from experience and worldly cynicism, is unreasonable in its totality. Dude needs therapy to work through his trauma and around his emotional icebergs. That said, he's surprisingly close to being a functional person, and needs a good deal less help than his nemisis Anders (though he also doesn't have to deal with the psychological manipulations of a single-minded spirit in his psyche).

[KaiserShep]

Had Hadriana died in battle, she wouldn't have been a victim, no. However, what Fenris did was murder a helpless woman, so at that point in time, she was a victim (not that Fenris wasn't, of other things).

 

I don't think it really matters in the end, for a couple of reasons:

 

Hadriana is a continued threat if left alive. She is, after all, an apprentice of Danarius, and was part of the effort to hunt Fenris down, as indicated by the ambush that led the group to her hideout in the first place. She could promise whatever she wanted; it's not like she can really be trusted to be good to her word, especially if she is easily compelled to abide by Danarius' wishes.

 

Also, she killed a number of slaves to augment her powers. That alone makes her deserving of a swift death.

 

In Fenris' place, I would've killed her no matter what she said.

[Xilizhra]

I don't think it really matters in the end, for a couple of reasons:

 

Hadriana is a continued threat if left alive. She is, after all, an apprentice of Danarius, and was part of the effort to hunt Fenris down, as indicated by the ambush that led the group to her hideout in the first place. She could promise whatever she wanted; it's not like she can really be trusted to be good to her word, especially if she is easily compelled to abide by Danarius' wishes.

 

Also, she killed a number of slaves to augment her powers. That alone makes her deserving of a swift death.

 

In Fenris' place, I would've killed her no matter what she said.

I hope you're prepared to kill Cullen, then, for abetting the deaths of hundreds (at least) of mages for the whims of a madwoman.

[Ryzaki]

I have the feeling Hadriana probably would've been stupid enough to pull that good old "wait til your back is turned then attack." I might've spared her if only to see if she was that stupid so I could turn her into charcoal.

[KaiserShep]

I hope you're prepared to kill Cullen, then, for abetting the deaths of hundreds (at least) of mages for the whims of a madwoman.

 

If I felt this was the exact same situation (which I most certainly do not), then sure.

 

In any case, this response ignores my first point on Hadriana being a personal threat as well, even when subdued. If someone tried to have me captured, and I defeated them, I may not be inclined to just let them go, because I prefer not to risk a second and possibly successful attempt.

[Ryriena]

Especially Merrill since she plays absolutely zero significance on the plot. Her being forced is the biggest wut.

I wish Merill was optional, when this blood mage has zero to do with the plot. Her naiveness grIts on my nerves, I may be naive but not that naive.

[sylvanaerie]

I wish Merill was optional, when this blood mage has zero to do with the plot. Her naiveness grIts on my nerves, I may be naive but not that naive.

 

Aside from her recruitment, she is optional.  You can park her in the alienage and never speak with her again till the very end where she will join (or oppose) you depending on your choice.  Even more, neither Fenris, Isabela or Sebastian need ever even be recruited.  Merrill is only necessary because fed exing Flemeth's pendant is a main plot line quest. 

 

The only characters essential to the overall plot are Varric and Anders.  The rest are all just likeable (or dislikeable) fillers.

[Ryriena]

This is, what I do most of the time with her, since I only bring her along with her own quest.

[sylvanaerie]

My issue with ignoring them is Bioware took the time to make them interesting characters to interact with in the game.  Not recruiting them (after having them along in other playthroughs) leaves a huge hole in my game.  Yes, even as much as I dislike Anders, the one time I told him GTFO after his Act 2 quest felt strange with his grayed out character too soon in the game.  Not quite the same as the ending resolution.

 

And on my first playthrough, I never recruited Fenris (missed his quest entirely), lost Isabela when she skipped town with the book, killed Anders.  I had Varric, Sebastian and Aveline with me at the end, (with Merrill as support as I was playing a mage and didn't need her, she didn't see much face time that first run) didn't realize I could get Templar Carver in my team (I sided mages).  That final fight was a weird one.  In place of those who would have shown up I got Nathaniel, Zevran and Donnic in addition to Cullen and Carver to help fight Meredith.

[Jaison1986]

My issue with ignoring them is Bioware took the time to make them interesting characters to interact with in the game.  Not recruiting them (after having them along in other playthroughs) leaves a huge hole in my game.  Yes, even as much as I dislike Anders, the one time I told him GTFO after his Act 2 quest felt strange with his grayed out character too soon in the game.  Not quite the same as the ending resolution.

 

And on my first playthrough, I never recruited Fenris (missed his quest entirely), lost Isabela when she skipped town with the book, killed Anders.  I had Varric, Sebastian and Aveline with me at the end, (with Merrill as support as I was playing a mage and didn't need her, she didn't see much face time that first run) didn't realize I could get Templar Carver in my team (I sided mages).  That final fight was a weird one.  In place of those who would have shown up I got Nathaniel, Zevran and Donnic in addition to Cullen and Carver to help fight Meredith.

 

I for one got an full house. I just like having the full team there when Hawke makes the final speech  And because I had so many companions already helping, only Donnic showed up to help during the final battle.

[Gilsa]

I find that if I don't like a character, it usually means I need to have them in my group more.

[Beerfish]

I hope you're prepared to kill Cullen, then, for abetting the deaths of hundreds (at least) of mages for the whims of a madwoman.

Your pro mage agenda seems to cloud just about every discussion.

[Xilizhra]

Your pro mage agenda seems to cloud just about every discussion.

Ordo Templariorum delenda est.

[Barquiel]

The character did not click to me at all (my pro-mage agenda certainly didn't help either).

 

His personality is simply too much for me. I mean, he is justified in being bitter for all the horrible abuses he suffered, but Bioware has written other characters with horrible pasts and those characters didn't come off half so...exhausting.

[wolfhowwl]

He needs a haircut.

[dekarserverbot]

I think that whoever writted him down thought in "oh yes let's put a feminist ****** inside the body of a man. It will be fun".

[Dutchess]

I think that whoever writted him down thought in "oh yes let's put a feminist ****** inside the body of a man. It will be fun".

 

Wait. What?

[dekarserverbot]

Wait. What?

 

Answered the question

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Just like Anders, I think he was too way whiny. I understand his a former slave and has terrible experience with mage but, good God, can he stop talking about them for 5 seconds!

[KaiserShep]

I think that whoever writted him down thought in "oh yes let's put a feminist ****** inside the body of a man. It will be fun".

 

A large portion of the internet should probably take a break from the word feminist/feminism until it gets a proper grasp of what this word actually means. But then, that applies to a lot of words, really.

[TheBlackSwordsman]

It took me awhile to handle his personality
i always felt like i needed to be really careful while talking to him to build the friendship/rivalry properly
but he's cool,the story behind him explain why he's so hard to deal, and apart from being useful in many of my playthroughs i also enjoyed his theme (Mages pride instrumental)

[Yermogi]

I actually had a discussion about Fenris with one of my friends who is a die-hard fan of his. We both agreed that in the game, he's cool and we've both romanced him, but if he actually existed in real life, we would hate his guts. The guy is a douche, really. Hates all mages, despite what they have or have not done, always gloomy, always hostile to Merrill and Anders even when they try to be friendly... Fenris is an interesting fictional character but he would be the most annoying person in real life.