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[Hazegurl]

Fenris was right to be hostile toward Merrill and Anders. Merrill was a bloodmage who wanted to use a demon to fix her mirror, like Kirkwall needs more demon summoning blood mages. Anders was an idiot who allowed himself to be possessed, half the time he didn't know who he was, and then he kills hundreds of innocent people after flat out lying and using Hawke. I would say Fenris had both of them pegged from the start.

[Yermogi]

With all respect, I have to disagree. Merrill made a choice that she would later regret, but she wasn't hurting people, and making deals with spirits was hardly a new thing. She wasn't a monster, as Fenris so lovingly put it. And Fenris lumped every mage into the exact same group, but failed to realize that many mages were undergoing terrible, horrible ordeals themselves. Fenris is not the only person in the world to have suffered horribly, and mages were suffering horribly at the hands of Templars. 

 

Also, Anders did not allow himself to be possesed- he agreed to let Justice become a part of him to save a noble spirit from fading away. That is a HUGE cry from making a pact with a demon. Also, Anders didn't kill hundreds of people. There were not hundreds of people in the chantry at the time of it's explosion. He started a WAR that caused hundreds of people to die, but if you read the books, war was already coming. Anders just fired the first shot. And frankly, I don't have much sympathy for the Grand Cleric. All she would have had to say is  "Meredith, calm down," and things probably would have improved a bit. She refused, and things didn't.

 

And at least Merrill and Anders were trying to help people, however misguided. Fenris just moaned and cried all the time and never did a thing to help anyone. All he did was hide and be grouchy to everyone.

[Hazegurl]

With all respect, I have to disagree. Merrill made a choice that she would later regret, but she wasn't hurting people, and making deals with spirits was hardly a new thing. She wasn't a monster, as Fenris so lovingly put it. And Fenris lumped every mage into the exact same group, but failed to realize that many mages were undergoing terrible, horrible ordeals themselves. Fenris is not the only person in the world to have suffered horribly, and mages were suffering horribly at the hands of Templars. 

 

A choice that could kill everyone in Kirkwall or at least kill a lot of people. Making deals with demons isn't something new, which is why so many abominations existed in Kirkwall. Fenris is entitled to his opinion. No, Fenris does not lump all mages into one group, he mentions that Hawke and Bethany are exceptions. The suffering of others doesn't just erase your own suffering.

 

Even if she didn't have the mirror, she was still a bloodmage which is everything Fenris hated about mages. I doubt he would be happy to have her around or coddle her because she's sweet.

 

Also, Anders did not allow himself to be possesed- he agreed to let Justice become a part of him to save a noble spirit from fading away. That is a HUGE cry from making a pact with a demon. Also, Anders didn't kill hundreds of people. There were not hundreds of people in the chantry at the time of it's explosion. He started a WAR that caused hundreds of people to die, but if you read the books, war was already coming. Anders just fired the first shot. And frankly, I don't have much sympathy for the Grand Cleric. All she would have had to say is  "Meredith, calm down," and things probably would have improved a bit. She refused, and things didn't.

 

Allowing a spirit to enter your body is possession. Even Merrill calls him stupid and naive for doing it and I agree with her. At least Merrill understands that there is really no difference between good and bad spirits and anyone who trusts that is insane. I may not agree with Merrill asking Audacity for help but at least she took Hawke as a precaution. Anders was just gullible. He did just what Fenris says he hates about mages. Any cause that they deem good enough and they turn to spirits and demons for help. Anders is the embodiment of why mages need to be locked up in a Circle to begin with. Actually, this is something Anders himself says, of course to lie and use Hawke but he obviously said it cause it's true. And yeah Anders helped lots of people, into an early grave.

 

Inquisition confirms that Anders killed hundreds of people.

 

 

 

 

And at least Merrill and Anders were trying to help people, however misguided. Fenris just moaned and cried all the time and never did a thing to help anyone. All he did was hide and be grouchy to everyone.

 

 

 

Merrill could have helped her people by giving up the mirror like they wanted her to and continued to study under the Keeper. Merrill kept thhat mirror for her own sake. Anders helped kill mages because he finally believed that they deserved to die for allowing themselves to be imprisoned.  Fenris helped my Hawke. That's good enough cause that's all I asked of him. And let's not forget that unlike Anders, Fenris actually had people searching for him.

 

Fenris was only grouchy to that idiot Anders and Merrill. Along with a pro mage Hawke. His banter with everyone else was lighthearted. IMO, it's Anders who became a major mood killer to anyone who spoke to him int he group not Fenris.

[Yermogi]

I think we probably just have different views of the companions and the mage thing in general. I liked Anders and Merril, and Fenris was fine as a character, but like I said, in real life I'd probably hate the guy. I rival-manced him as a mage and I think I did that partially just to screw with him.

[Hazegurl]

lol yeah, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I also love rivaling him as a mage. I rivalmance him though. He's so feisty and you get to hear him another language more.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Fenris is an interesting fictional character but he would be the most annoying person in real life.

 

Not sure I agree there. I could see "Hey, Fenris! How should we troll that ninny Anders Shmanders today?" as the start of an incredible friendship.

[Yermogi]

Well, if you can keep him from setting all the mages he sees on fire, then sure. 

[Hazegurl]

lol! Nah Fenris is cool. He refused to turn in Anders and Merrill when Sebby implied they should and Fenris never murders an innocent mage. *cough* Anders *cough* Fenris is actually quite mellow, not the most mellow though.

 

Edit: Oh man, I just saw a screen cap of Anders saying he'll attend Ella's funeral and pin the murder on the Templars.  Holy crap!   I never saw that before, but then again I never really have anything to do with him after dissent. He is a real piece of work.

[Ryzaki]

Yep he mellows out more over the course of the game too. He's not so growly at the end

[Yermogi]

I guess he kind of grows on you. He has his charming moments. It is kind of cute when you romance him and he tries to be sweet but gets all flustered instead.

[thruaglassdarkly]

I played pretty pro mage, but I did like Fenris.  I confess initially it had very little to with his actions, and a lot to do with his being voiced by Gideon Emery, one of my favorite in game voice actors (good to see you're still working Balthier).  Overall I thought he was a pretty believable character, and an interesting character, and that is enough for me.  Its hard for me to actually hate someone who never existed unless s/he is just poorly constructed in the work.  Like most complex (f***** up) DA characters, I don't agree with his every action, but the only time I felt it was over the top was when he insisted we should have killed the dreamy mage kid (this is particularly odd/funny when I'm playing as a mage).  His distrust for Merrill and Anders is probably fair, even though I really like Merrill.

[Xilizhra]

lol! Nah Fenris is cool. He refused to turn in Anders and Merrill when Sebby implied they should and Fenris never murders an innocent mage. *cough* Anders *cough* Fenris is actually quite mellow, not the most mellow though.

 

Edit: Oh man, I just saw a screen cap of Anders saying he'll attend Ella's funeral and pin the murder on the Templars.  Holy crap!   I never saw that before, but then again I never really have anything to do with him after dissent. He is a real piece of work.

An exquisite spiral of slightly broken glass.

 

Fenris is one of those iron plant pot holders that looks weirdly chairlike.

[Nohvarr]

Fenris had his issues, but when half the mages in Kirkwall seem determined to prove him right I can't fault him for his position. Honestly he mellows out and will help you defend the mages if he counts you amongst his friends. He's also exceedingly useful when dealing with the Arishok so I tend to bring him along on all the Qunari stuff. Fenris has literally seen the worst aspects of magic. His master sacrificed a child just to impress his fellow senators. Seeing that kind of evil up close and consistently from mage will color ones perspective. That said he get's along well with Bethany and in all honesty seem more concerned for her than I first thought possible.

[Xilizhra]

Fenris had his issues, but when half the mages in Kirkwall seem determined to prove him right I can't fault him for his position. Honestly he mellows out and will help you defend the mages if he counts you amongst his friends. He's also exceedingly useful when dealing with the Arishok so I tend to bring him along on all the Qunari stuff. Fenris has literally seen the worst aspects of magic. His master sacrificed a child just to impress his fellow senators. Seeing that kind of evil up close and consistently from mage will color ones perspective. That said he get's along well with Bethany and in all honesty seem more concerned for her than I first thought possible.

I will at least give him credit for being better than most templars.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Well, if you can keep him from setting all the mages he sees on fire, then sure. 

 

Nah, Fenris isn't a mindless killer. That's Anders you're thinking about.

[Exile Isan]

Well, if you can keep him from setting all the mages he sees on fire, then sure. 

 

Despite popular belief Fenris does not want all mages dead. In fact if you let Anders/Justice kill Ella you get rivalry points with him, meaning he sees her as an innocent person who didn't deserve to die (he doesn't like it when you let her go though either which is in keeping with his beliefs too). And he doesn't just attack Hawke or Bethany instantly when he finds out either of them are mages. In fact as others have pointed out he is protective of Bethany and of Hawke if Hawke is a mage. The first time you take him to the Gallows and you play a mage he expresses concern it's dangerous for Hawke to be there.

 

The only mages he really wants dead are Danarius and Hadriana, which is perfectly understandable considering what they did to him (sexual abuse, starvation, torture etc). He hates Merrill because of her attitude towards blood magic and he hates Anders because he, in Fenris' eyes, is an abomination. He does however believe that all mages should be locked away in the Circle, where they will not hurt innocent people. Now I don't agree with him entirely and I hate the way he treats Merrill, but considering his experiences I would say his attitude is entirely understandable.

[LiquidLyrium]

 In-world he gets along well enough with my canon characters, who are sort of in the middle-ground between pro-mage and pro-Chantry.

 

 

Out-of-world, eh... I just find him hard to take him seriously as a character is all. I've called him a Slave Sue, because despite being illiterate and either [closed off from the outside world] or [on the run], he's remarkably well-spoken and enlightened on things that are not common-knowledge to the average citizen (of Thedas). His portrayal just does not match what I've seen of people "like" him, in my experiences (servants in third-world countries with minimal to no education being the closest analogue, though admittedly no actual slaves). It just kind of feels like David Gaider created his own personal elven husbando and didn't put too much thought into how realistic that character was for his background as a slave, kind of like the way Drew Karpyshyn (sp?) designed his fantasy blue space babe archaeologist waifu in Mass Effect.

Except he was the personal bodyguard of a magister. A highly powerful, educated, and influential individual. He was hanging around highly educated people. Just because he can't read, doesn't mean he's stupid. He probably has overheard a lot of very scholarly discourse on both magics and politics. And in the position he was in, absorbing knowledge is one way to keep yourself safe. I thought it actually fit fantastically well with his characte; it was a way for us to be told that even though he was probably encouraged to be seen and not heard, he kept his ears open.

 

Reading is not the only way to learn things.

[Stronglav]

What to think about emo elf with big anime sword?Hmmm....

Girls buy this game now??

[Stronglav]

@The Operative What does this thread have to do with Fenris and Girls buying the game?

 

Its a charachter made specificly for females.Oh how he suffered!!He's so qyte.

Like this entire game made to be sold.Only for money.

DAO had a soul.This one doesn't.

[Ryriena]

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[Ryriena]

I'm female, it took me awhile too let him be one of my favorites, although if I knew someone like him in real life, I probly would stay far away from him.

[Hazegurl]

Its a charachter made specificly for females.Oh how he suffered!!He's so qyte.

Like this entire game made to be sold.Only for money.

DAO had a soul.This one doesn't.

Alistair is the typical goofy white knight meant to give young girls fantasies of fixing the tragic life of the sad displaced prince.  Every game was made to appeal to an audience and make some money. Considering that Fenris isn't even liked by a majority of players I would say he isn't a good argument for the appeal of this game but I can see how he appeals to those who like the tortured soul type, personally I like him cause he doesn't beat around the bush, stays to himself, and is one of the better friends to have in the group.

Modifié par BioWareMod02, 25 octobre 2014 - 05:18 .

[ManOfSteel]

I stopped recruiting him after a while. Make of that what you will.

[KaiserShep]

What to think about emo elf with big anime sword?Hmmm....

Girls buy this game now??

 

What's this big anime sword stuff? The two-handed swords are humongous in both games, and in DA2, Carver makes the scene with the giant sword first, so it's not like it's unique to Fenris, other than the fact that being an elf, it would be a bit more disproportionate to his size.

 

Its a charachter made specificly for females.Oh how he suffered!!He's so qyte.

Like this entire game made to be sold.Only for money.

DAO had a soul.This one doesn't.

 

I suppose there's not much point to arguing the intent of the writers and character designers when it comes to whom each character was designed for, since no one can really agree on this anyway, but in any case, what does it matter? Why would it necessarily be a bad thing if Fenris was designed for female players? I mean, one could just as well argue that Isabela was designed specifically for males, but what's really the difference if you can get a lot of story content out of them beyond their romance? Aside from that, Morrigan and Alistair could be accused of being designed in a similar fashion, but who cares if their characters are good?

 

Man, all of these games are made solely for money. That we may enjoy them immensely won't change that.