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[Armali]

I always thought Fenris was easily the most annoying and whiney character (even compared to Anders) as well as being hypocritical.

[k1rage]

I always thought Fenris was easily the most annoying and whiney character (even compared to Anders) as well as being hypocritical.

 

this^ he comes off as a whiny emo kid boo hoo magic ruins everything

[Dutchess]

this^ he comes off as a whiny emo kid boo hoo magic ruins everything

Magic kinda did ruin everything for him.

[k1rage]

Magic kinda did ruin everything for him.

 

I tend to disagree its undisciplined mages that are the issue, not magic itself

 

Also even if magic did ruin everything thats no excuse for being a whiny emo ******

[renfrees]

I tend to disagree its undisciplined mages that are the issue, not magic itself

 

Also even if magic did ruin everything thats no excuse for being a whiny emo ******

 

Time for repost:

Fenris: *says that he went through a ritual he only remembers cause it was agonizing and remembers nothing else from his past, including his family*

Fenris: *was enslaved and sexually abused by mages and was so under Danarius's control he snapped and killed the only people who had shown him kindness*

Fenris: *sister turns out to be alive and she betrays him to the man who abused him and he feels alone in every way possible even when he has friends because he lost what little he had to of his past*

Fandom: God, Fenris is soooo whiny!

[Ryzaki]

Ah the Fenris is whiny debate.

[Bullets McDeath]

Fenris was a bit too on the nose for me. He's such a proto/arche- typical "beautifully handsome, brooding hero with unique powers and a tragic past" that I find it difficult take him seriously most of the time. Throw in some anime hair and that voice actor... I mostly just rolled my eyes.

 

It's also my personal opinion that he let his past define him so much that he missed opportunities to let go of it and have a happier future. My canon Hawke was a mage who relied on him for muscle and developed something of a camaraderie with the guy, hoping to show him that there's more to life and to mages. However, even though I was closer to Friend than Rival, I never got far enough on either side of the line to have a strong relationship with him. It was always two steps forward, one step back with him. I did all of his quests and always tried to be a decent guy to him, but he disagreed with almost all of my actions. So he left my party to join the Templars and I ended up having to kill him in the final battle.

 

And that worked for me.

[Mocksie]

I'm pro-mage, and I don't mind Fenris. I like him better than a lot of other characters (Merril, Anders, etc.)  

 

He has reason to hate mages. Danarius wasn't exactly a nice guy, and if he did infact witness him sacrificing children in blood magic rituals, and that is his only experience with mages, then him being wary of them isn't exactly surprising. Plus, Kirkwall isn't exactly the best place to go to change your opinion on mages, considering all the crazy blood mages and necromancers it has. Not to mention, he's forced to fight alongside a crazy abomination and a blood mage that makes deals with demons. And even despite that, you can still change his opinion on mages with time. He'll even fight for the mages in the end if you have high enough friendly/rivalry with him. He's also reasonably nice to sane mages, such as Bethany and mage-Hawke.

 

I think my main issue with him is just his overall appearance. He kinda has that anime-esque look that makes him look like he belongs in a Final Fantasy game. I know his white hair is because of the lyrium markings, but that, combined with that spikey armor and oversized sword just makes him look so out of place in the DA universe. The angsty attitude with a tragic past doesn't make it any better.

[D Wrecks]

Kill him with fire. He's good as fodder for fanfictions written by socially awkward teen girls but is otherwise worthless.

[nikki-tikki]

I find that people who hate Fenris most likely jump aboard the Anders fan boat. And vise versa. I personally love Fenris' character. His story is deliciously tragic and it makes for good character growth by the end. Also his quests were so much more fun than all the others. 

[D Wrecks]

I don't agree with you, but your answer is still awesome.

Which part? That he's a japanophile girl's wet dream or that he's worthless otherwise?

[k1rage]

If I had my way I would have sold him back to Danarius the moment I met him

 

I did everything for that whiny ****** and he still turned on me at the end

[renfrees]

If I had my way I would have sold him back to Danarius the moment I met him

 

I did everything for that whiny ****** and he still turned on me at the end

Seems to me it's you doing all the whining. If you did everything for him, like you claim, he'd be at 100% and sided with you right away. I sense a hypocrite, trying to lay blame on the other person for his own failings 

[Masque]

I love Fenris. He's got that angry, broody elf thing going on and it makes me melt.

 

Plus Anders was icky. 

[MPSai]

It's also my personal opinion that he let his past define him so much that he missed opportunities to let go of it and have a happier future. 

 

Yeah that's, like, his character arc. But I mean the guy's been on the run for years after knowing nothing but blind obedience in a place like Tevinter, the only country in Thedas where mages rule themselves and everyone without magic has no say in the government and no place of authority. 

 

So here you have a pissed off ex-slave suffering from a myriad of psychological damage whose able to express himself for the first time in his remembered life. So he does. I'm an unabashed mage supporter, but Fenris is my favorite character in the series. Hell I friendmanced him as a mage Hawke. 

 

He's incredibly stubborn and biased in his opinion but no more than Anders is, and he isn't unreasonable. He sees Tevinter as the inevitable result of allowing mages to rule themselves freely, and, well, what reason does he have not to really? He's not wrong that magic is dangerous either. And, well, okay Kirkwall probably isn't the best case study for how things are outside of the Imperium. 

 

I find it funny that Dorian backs up everything Fenris has said about Tevinter. Sometimes almost word for word. But hey they were both written by Gaider so... 

[Cyrus Amell]

My biggest problem with the character was not his worldviews or relationship issues but rather that he spends the entire game squatting in a trashed-up Hightown Manor filled with dessicated corpses. There is some party dialogue to indicate that Aveline might have helped him remain unhampered by redirecting guard patrols, and Isabella did "something" about the Tax-collector, but these are flimsy pretenses for why such a valuable piece of real-estate would remain undisturbed by the populace and government. And yes, there are conversations that he occasionally left to play cards with Varric (or whatever "Diamond Back" is), but he otherwise did nothing productive when he was not killing things with Hawke.

 

My point is that he is a skilled warrior and could quite easily have made some good coin as a hired sword. Certainly it's unlikely he could have just joined up with the Red Irons or any other mercenary company run purely by humans. However,  If Athenril could not find a use for him I'm sure one of the elven merchants would have appreciated his services. I mean really, the whole "how can I move on with my life" speel might have justified a month, but years of doing nothing? No.

 

So don't make your game's timeline last years unless you intend to give it's characters a meaningful way to move forward would be my general take on the matter.

[Dutchess]

Fenris' arc is definitely hurt by the time-skips, especially between A2-A3 if a romance was initiated. But Fenris' inability to move on is very much tied to Danarius still being alive. As long as his former master is out there Fenris will never be truly free and dare to build much of a life. He is practically standing still in Kirkwall and not making much progress because he is so afraid of Danarius and the possibility that the magister can show up at any moment and ruin it all. He doesn't dare to make plans and dream for the future while in his mind that future could be cut short at any moment.

 

But according to one of his codex entries he does take on a few mercenary jobs to earn extra coin. And I guess officially the mansion is still owned by that merchant Danarius stole the mansion from. The city might not have the rights required to actually try to sell it again?

[MPSai]

My biggest problem with the character was not his worldviews or relationship issues but rather that he spends the entire game squatting in a trashed-up Hightown Manor filled with dessicated corpses.

 

Weeelll that's more a quirk of the rushed development cycle for the game, makes for great fan humor about the corpses being there for 6 years though. He also can't move into the Hawke's estate like Anders or Merrill, even though there's a few places where Hawke can comment about him there. So I think a number of things were sadly unfinished with him. 

[renfrees]

My biggest problem with the character was not his worldviews or relationship issues but rather that he spends the entire game squatting in a trashed-up Hightown Manor filled with dessicated corpses. There is some party dialogue to indicate that Aveline might have helped him remain unhampered by redirecting guard patrols, and Isabella did "something" about the Tax-collector, but these are flimsy pretenses for why such a valuable piece of real-estate would remain undisturbed by the populace and government. 

 

*snip*

Varric forged papers to make him owner of the estate. If you don't recruit Isabela, this dialogue pops-up at the start of A2.

[k1rage]

Seems to me it's you doing all the whining. If you did everything for him, like you claim, he'd be at 100% and sided with you right away. I sense a hypocrite, trying to lay blame on the other person for his own failings 

 

If your pro mage I dont think its possible to get him to side with you, I killed his master and helped him every time he asked but he still complains like a little ****** and betrayed me, at least Anders had some balls and did something lol

[renfrees]

If your pro mage I dont think its possible to get him to side with you, I killed his master and helped him every time he asked but he still complains like a little ****** and betrayed me, at least Anders had some balls and did something lol

It's very possible to even 100% befriend him as a mage, doing pro-mage decisions, by the mid-A2; not talking about rivalry - this is easily maxed in A1 as pro-mage. In both cases he sides with you immediately when you choose mages at the end. All it requires - is a bit of common sense, and not this:

Player: I want to befriend Fenris, let's take him to pro-mage quest. I bet he's going to love it.

Fenris: +15 Rivalry.

Player: WTF, how could you? I'm so nice to you!

 

So, if anything - it was you who failed to gain his trust, and now trying to blame him for your sh*tty decisions. 

[k1rage]

It's very possible to even 100% befriend him as a mage, doing pro-mage decisions, by the mid-A2; not talking about rivalry - this is easily maxed in A1 as pro-mage. In both cases he sides with you immediately when you choose mages at the end. All it requires - is a bit of common sense, and not this:

Player: I want to befriend Fenris, let's take him to pro-mage quest. I bet he's going to love it.

Fenris: +15 Rivalry.

Player: WTF, how could you? I'm so nice to you!

 

So, if anything - it was you who failed to gain his trust, and now trying to blame him for your sh*tty decisions. 

 

Yeah I kept him in the party too much as I liked him in combat, hes still a whiny ****** lol, I cant recall a time when he wasent complaining about somthing

 

Also im kinda glad he betrayed me lol so I could kill his ****** ass lol

[renfrees]

Yeah I kept him in the party too much as I liked him in combat, hes still a whiny ****** lol, I cant recall a time when he wasent complaining about somthing

 

Also im kinda glad he betrayed me lol so I could kill his ****** ass lol

Well, if you make decisions that go against character's beliefs, do you expect them to suck it up and don't object, on the basis that you're such an awesome PC? You have a mabari for puppet. I guess you perceive every objection to your stance as whining, and that's rather... egocentric?

[MPSai]

If your pro mage I dont think its possible to get him to side with you, I killed his master and helped him every time he asked but he still complains like a little ****** and betrayed me, at least Anders had some balls and did something lol

 

Not true. My canon Hawke is pro-mage and a mage himself and I pretty much take Varric and Fenris everywhere with me but I still manage to romance Fenris with a friendly relationship. You don't have to capitulate to his opinion constantly to get on his good side, as some may imagine. You can always balance out the rivalry by being anti-slavery and deferring to him to put his hand through people's chests.