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[k1rage]

Well, if you make decisions that go against character's beliefs, do you expect them to suck it up and don't object, on the basis that you're such an awesome PC? You have a mabari for puppet. I guess you perceive every objection to your stance as whining, and that's rather... egocentric?

Actually I found Anders to be whiny too and he was with me on almost everything, it was kinda funny having both of them in the party. It was one of them going "oh magic is so evil and totaly ruined my life" and the other was "omg mages are so abused and mistreated"

 

The big difference is Anders actually dose something about it making him a man of action, while Fenris whines like a child lol  

[LD Little Dragon]

If your pro mage I dont think its possible to get him to side with you, I killed his master and helped him every time he asked but he still complains like a little ****** and betrayed me, at least Anders had some balls and did something lol

Of course it's possible.  You either work to get his friendship up, or go full rivalry with Fenris.  Don't do both.

 

Playing pro-mage makes it very simple to get Fenris to 100% rivalry.  Do it right and you end Fenris' arc by changing his mind and getting him to defend mages.

[GeorgiegGirl]

Well when you look at what Fenris had gone through no wonder he hates mages. I personally love his character and can see why he is the way he is. Besides you can usually get him to see your point of few on things.

[SmilesJA]

What do I think of Fenris?

 

Well during my first playthrough of Dragon Age 2, I've disliked him. I didn't like the way he treated Anders and Merrill, I felt his views on mages were too extreme. I spent the entire game trying to convince him that mages are people, but all got in return were rivalry points. In fact by the end of the game, he was the only companion whose rivalry meter was maxed out. At a first glance Fenris seemed closed minded and stubborn that he became my most disliked character in the game. Around a year a half later, I've decided to replay the game. It was then I analyzed why Fenris was this way, and it turns out his past abuses from mages from the Teventer was what scarred him. The mages spit on him, raped him and brainwashed him (literally!) It was then I understood what Fenris went through. An elf who experenced life without the feeling of being loved or had an feeling of a companionship. Fenris has no sense of an identity except to the servitude towards Deneris. It obiviously did not help that he lost his memory of the people he loved and his drive to free them.

 

Fenris lived in a world that was never kind to him. The world of Thedas is cruel, but it seemed that the world just went the extra length just to make his life a living hell. A major theme for Fenris' character arc, was to let go of the past and press forward to the future. To stop living in fear and to forge your own life and to form friendships with other people. Fenris for me, went from one of my disliked to one of my favorite characters in the series. His character development is one of the best in the series, It was little melodramatic, but it was compelling and was handled very well. What sold me on Fenris, was that he was fiercely loyal to Hawke to the point where it outweighed his hatred for the mages. The wounds of the past may never heal for Fenris, but he was able to find people to help find his place in the world.

 

Fenris remains one of the most developed and fascinating characters in the series and I hope we see him in future games.

[Elfyoth]

I think Fenris is a good written character, he have humanity, he doubt a group of pepole becouse what severeal of them have done to him. And that, that is humanity

[Reguire]

I don't like him in person but his lyrium powers were cool.

[Bethgael]

I liked Fenris a lot. I played through the game mostly pro-mage, and his adamancy was a bit tiresome, but by the end of the game I was pretty fed up with the mages as well. Plus, having seen first hand what happens when power and magic go unchecked in Tevinter, it's understandable why he would have such an opinion. This doesn't excuse bigotry, but being set in his ways is a character flaw that I can accept.

 

Still, it would've been nice had the writing allowed for a little more growth from the characters. I wouldn't want Fenris doing a complete 180 and working with Anders to free mages or any of the characters to have complete changes like that. But it would've been nice to see a little more growth from some of the characters after 7 years working side by side with people of differing opinions. 

 

He shows a bit of differentiation in some of his later banter with Sebastian, specifically, when Sebastian suggests turning in Anders and Merrill to the Templars.

Slight, to be sure, but it's there.

He also shows some growth if rivalmanced.

[Dutchess]

^Most of that growth is tied to Hawke, though, and Fenris' respect for Hawke. It's not for Merrill's and Anders' sake that he turns Seb's suggestion down.

 

His development on the rivalry path is that he accepts more responsibility for the fact that he's been unable to move on and miserable for a long time, instead of shifting it all on magic. Magic is no longer this uncontrollable, evil force responsible for every bad thing in his life, but he always remains mistrustful of mages and I think that's unlikely to change. 

 

It's Hawke he sides with in the end, and his trust in Hawke that sways him to the mages' side. 

[dongsaeng]

Love his broody personality and also he was voiced by Gideon Emery, one of my favorite VA all time and was wonderfully performed. I love his rivalmance just as much as friendmance. I prefer him over Anders for a male romance option.

[Beregond5]

He's a very interesting character. Do I like the way he treats Merril or even Anders? Definitely not. But since his experiences with mages in the past were horrible, it makes sense that he is extremely bitter towards mages - even to the point of being unfair. Just the way he is to a mage Hawke after Adrianna (Hadrianna? Can't seem to remember her name at the moment) is dealt with, in fact. That particular scene is quite powerful, because it can also be the point where he realises just how hurtful his hatred is - hence why he runs away, wishing to be alone with his thoughts. In addition, if you listen to some of the banter, it's rather clear that he doesn't hate mages, per se, he hates mages that give in to temptation and use their magic for selfish reasons and personal gain. If you reach friendship status with him, he considers Hawke a strong mage exactly because he uses his magic to do good (to fight slavers, for example - the second most hateful thing to him).

[renfrees]

Actually slavers is the first most hateful thing to Fenris - by a large margin. Unresponsible mages don't come even close.

[springacres]

He's definitely a very interesting character. 

 

He's a very interesting character. Do I like the way he treats Merril or even Anders? Definitely not. But since his experiences with mages in the past were horrible, it makes sense that he is extremely bitter towards mages - even to the point of being unfair. Just the way he is to a mage Hawke after Adrianna (Hadrianna? Can't seem to remember her name at the moment) is dealt with, in fact. That particular scene is quite powerful, because it can also be the point where he realises just how hurtful his hatred is - hence why he runs away, wishing to be alone with his thoughts. In addition, if you listen to some of the banter, it's rather clear that he doesn't hate mages, per se, he hates mages that give in to temptation and use their magic for selfish reasons and personal gain. If you reach friendship status with him, he considers Hawke a strong mage exactly because he uses his magic to do good (to fight slavers, for example - the second most hateful thing to him).

This was exactly my headcanon after that scene.  My mage was friendmancing him and while she was hurt when he didn't want her to comfort him, she also recognized that HE recognized that he needed to cool off after that.  This became even clearer during the follow-up scene at the Hawke Estate where he talks about his hatred being all-consuming.

 

And I don't think it's just about anger there, either.  There's also an element of fear.  Especially with a mage!Hawke, that moment seems to help Fenris realize that he could end up unintentionally hurting someone who really is just trying to help.  Unfortunately, the time-jumps hurt our ability as players to see whether he makes much progress on this front.  His experiences as a slave have scarred him deeply, both physically and emotionally, and it's entirely possible that it would take far more than the seven years of DA2 for him to overcome those prejudices entirely, but it would still be nice to be able to see how his views evolved throughout the game.

[Beregond5]

Actually slavers is the first most hateful thing to Fenris - by a large margin. Unresponsible mages don't come even close.

My bad then. I was under the impression that the opposite was the case.
 

 

He's definitely a very interesting character. 

 

This was exactly my headcanon after that scene.  My mage was friendmancing him and while she was hurt when he didn't want her to comfort him, she also recognized that HE recognized that he needed to cool off after that.  This became even clearer during the follow-up scene at the Hawke Estate where he talks about his hatred being all-consuming.

 

And I don't think it's just about anger there, either.  There's also an element of fear.  Especially with a mage!Hawke, that moment seems to help Fenris realize that he could end up unintentionally hurting someone who really is just trying to help.  Unfortunately, the time-jumps hurt our ability as players to see whether he makes much progress on this front.  His experiences as a slave have scarred him deeply, both physically and emotionally, and it's entirely possible that it would take far more than the seven years of DA2 for him to overcome those prejudices entirely, but it would still be nice to be able to see how his views evolved throughout the game.

Agreed. It's understandable what the writers were going for with the particular frame device [everything being told from Varric's POV] but some of the characters' character development suffered from it.

(It also suffered because the game was quite rushed, but that's for another thread. )

[springacres]

There's also the way his romance plays out, especially if you choose "Don't go" at the end of his post-Hadriana conversation at your mansion.  His reaction to being grabbed like that, and then the way he talks about your night together bringing back memories (that sound as though some of them were not pleasant ones to say the least)... BioWare could have done so much more with this character.  If they'd fleshed him out more, I think he could have ended up being close to Zevran or even Morrigan in terms of complexity.

Modifié par springacres, 02 mars 2015 - 10:35 .

[Treacherous J Slither]

I'd like Fenris if:

1)He had better hair like a buzzcut or something.

2) Was a rogue. That sword too big for him.

3) Was more anti Tevinter instead of anti mage.

[springacres]

Almost all two-handed weapons in the DA series seem wrong somehow.  In Origins, I always half expect Oghren to be jerked off-balance by his own weapon or something.

[Dutchess]

^You do need skinny legs to be able to pull off those tights.

[Angry_Elcor]

Off topic but gotta admit, liking this section a bit better than the lobby. Those people are rude over there! Confusing me with others, using shorteners and other terms I know none of! I hadn't been posting for ages, came back like a month ago and WOW....... I just had to make a tiny comment and they exploded over there...

 

If by "tiny" you mean over half a dozen comments. And by "rude," you mean confused about why you were being inexplicably hostile. And by "comment" you mean "attacked two members out of the blue without explanation." And by "exploded" you mean no one had any idea why you were derailing a thread about ending rivalries and feuds by trying to start a feud with two people who had no idea who you were.

 

And why would anyone in a Fenris thread need to get dragged into your petty melodrama, anyway? I doubt anyone cares whether your attempt to attack fellow members sort of backfired on you.

 

On topic, I wasn't particularly into Fenris, but I went ahead and maxed my relationship with him, anyway. I was more of an Isabella/Varric fan.

[Obadiah]

Merrill needs to teach Fenris how to frolic.

[springacres]

Merrill needs to teach Fenris how to frolic.

And Fenris needs to teach her a bit of common sense and self-preservation.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

In my first play through of DA2 I made the mistake of trying to friend him with a pro mage Hawke who was romancing Merrill (I was still thinking that rivalry points were bad at the time). I could pick up friend points for Hawke's views on slavery and generally trying to be nice to him but then picked up rivalry points for her opinions about mages. So in the end he was kind of in the middle.

In almost all of my subsequent play throughs I've rivaled him instead which I found more satisfying.

I actually like Fenris as a character even though I can't imagine I'd actually get along with someone like him in real life. I have big respect for Merrill who continues to be nice to him even though he's horrible to her, while Anders and Sebastian are quite happy to sell Fenris back into slavery Merrill strongly disagrees with that decision.