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You clearly don't understand what objectification actually is as a concept. There's a real debate to be had about media that portrays a society that's sexist and whether that's good. Issues about objectification have nothing to do with this type of debate.

Objectification is related to titilation. One good example is the old dungeon scene that CDPR removed because it sexualized torture. Another example is the lesbomancy scene.

Issues relating to actually sexist portrayals are different from issues that have to do with objectification. One example here're would be the serious problem with how CDPR portrays rape.

 

The scene in which Baroness Mary Louisa La Valette is seen being tortured was not cut from the game. She only appears in that position if and only if Geralt kills her son Aryan. If Geralt persuades him to surrender, Aryan will take her place being tortured in the same manner. They are both topless and beaten with a hot iron. Nothing explicitly sexual occurs with either character.

 

NSFW: Link for the scene http://youtu.be/7doHRKxKmN4?t=7m55s


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You clearly don't understand what objectification actually is as a concept. There's a real debate to be had about media that portrays a society that's sexist and whether that's good. Issues about objectification have nothing to do with this type of debate.

Objectification is related to titilation. One good example is the old dungeon scene that CDPR removed because it sexualized torture. Another example is the lesbomancy scene.

Issues relating to actually sexist portrayals are different from issues that have to do with objectification. One example here're would be the serious problem with how CDPR portrays rape.

I understand perfectly well. It is you and others who are incorrectly categorizing The Witcher based on your own biases and preconceptions of what you think "objectifying" is.

 

Here is the definition of objectification in regards to women: Sexual objectification is the act of treating a person merely as an instrument of sexual pleasure, making them a "sex object". Objectification more broadly means treating a person as a commodity or an object, without regard to their personality or dignity.

 

Now as I have already discussed in great detail, the women in The Witcher do not fit this description at all. If they were merely "objects" that served no other purpose other than to be naked on the screen, then I would agree with you. That, however, is just not the case at all. Anyone who claims these women are being objectified does not actually know what the term means. It's that simple.

 

As far as The Witcher being sexist, that's one of the various issues it addresses... As sexism is very much an on-going issue with the world today, it's yet another concept CDPR addresses unapologetically and shows why they are not afraid to make a world that feels real and believable. The very reason why The Witcher is "mature" is because CDPR is willing to tackle issues other developers have steered away from with fear of being criticized by the media.

 

You are continuing to show your lack of knowledge on this subject matter. There was a slight controversy over the prison escape sequence as if you decided to kill the Baroness' son, you would then come across her, bare-breasted, in a chamber where she was being tortured. The issue was the fact that there were no clear scars, bruises, or scratches on her breasts while her face was clearly bruised and beaten. People instantly jumped to the conclusion, just as you are, about the use of titillation in order to bolster sales. What I find funny about your argument, however, is the fact that the sequence was not actually removed from The Witcher 2. It's still there, regardless of the supposed controversy, because only a vocal minority was taking issue with it to start.

 

I fail to see from any of your assertions how CDPR is being disrespectful of any of these subject matters. The only thing that is offending anyone is the fact that they are bringing them up. Period. No reasonable person approves of rape, discrimination, objectification, etc. These are real life issues that exist in our world and it's part of the reason why many developers avoid crossing these lines as they don't want the criticism and attention. CDPR has shown they are willing to tell a realistic, mature, and believable story grounded in real world issues. They aren't afraid to tackle difficult and ugly problems. That's what makes The Witcher such an amazing franchise. You don't have to like it, which you clearly don't. That being said, just because they are including these issues does not make them guilty of it. You are confusing bringing awareness to problems versus the act of doing it because of ignorance. Two very different things.


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I understand perfectly well. It is you and others who are incorrectly categorizing The Witcher based on your own biases and preconceptions of what you think "objectifying" is.

 

Here is the definition of objectification in regards to women: Sexual objectification is the act of treating a person merely as an instrument of sexual pleasure, making them a "sex object". Objectification more broadly means treating a person as a commodity or an object, without regard to their personality or dignity.

 

 

The Witcher 1 was certainly guilty of objectifying women with the silly collectible sex cards. 

 

 

Now as I have already discussed in great detail, the women in The Witcher do not fit this description at all. If they were merely "objects" that served no other purpose other than to be naked on the screen, then I would agree with you. That, however, is just not the case at all. Anyone who claims these women are being objectified do not actually know what the term means. It's that simple.

 

If we are talking about a major character like Triss I mostly agree, but there are also some minor characters that Geralt can shag with a minimum of effort or dialogue that also results in HBO-style sex scenes with lots of exclusively female nudity. As much as I'm thankful for Geralt always wearing pants or being shot above the waist, I think the Witcher's critics do have a point. It is an uphill battle to try and argue that those shallow scenes served any other purpose beyond being produced to titillate a male audience.


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Cant wait til fox says something lol

 

If GTAV is any indicator, the lefties will complain much sooner than Fox


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If GTAV is any indicator, the lefties will complain much sooner than Fox

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If we are talking about a major character like Triss I mostly agree, but there are also some minor characters that Geralt can shag with a minimum of effort or dialogue that also results in HBO-style sex scenes with lots of exclusively female nudity. 

 

Are you talking about Witcher 2? Because apart from actual whores, I don't think there actually are characters like that.

And as to Witcher 1 sex cards and having random sex, developers publicly admited, that it was a mistake to implement it, as it was a very immature approach to male-female relationships.



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Are you talking about Witcher 2? Because apart from actual whores, I don't think there actually are characters like that.

 

 



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Will say one thing given there are said to be bars in the game no use of alchool on that rating or did they shift it or decide such doesn't matter for m rated games?



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This counters your point. This is the result of one of the biggest decisions in the game. There is nothing simple about it. Suffice to say, I played the scene once to see it, but I declined every other time cause it feels like you are taking advantage and this obviously is intended.



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This counters your point. This is the result of one of the biggest decisions in the game. There is nothing simple about it.

 

You can't be serious. 

 

While the decision itself is a major one, Mottle is an extremely minor character that doesn't have more than a few lines of dialogue in the entire game. Did she really need to reappear for no other reason except to throw herself at Geralt as a reward, complete with a fully animated sex scene? There is literally no reason for this character to return later in the game, except that CDPR wanted an opportunity to squeeze in another sex scene. It is the very definition of gratuitous. And the dialogue between the two of them beforehand is so bad it is painful.



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This counters your point. This is the result of one of the biggest decisions in the game. There is nothing simple about it. Suffice to say, I played the scene once to see it, but I declined every other time cause it feels like you are taking advantage and this obviously is intended.

Its not just one choice, if I recall right after the first choice you can choose to let them burn. So yea its not like the harlots or anything.



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This counters your point. This is the result of one of the biggest decisions in the game. There is nothing simple about it.

 

And this is a selling point of the game? That one of the biggest decisions nets you an incredibly awkward conversation and an even worse sex scene? Yeah, it practically oozes maturity.


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ESRB has it rated ratingsymbol_m.png for

 

  • Blood
  • Intense Violence
  • Nudity
  • Sexual Content
  • Strong Language

 

That's a surprise......not.  B)



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You can't be serious. 

 

While the decision itself a major one, Mottle is an extremely minor character that doesn't have more than a few lines of dialogue in the entire game. Did she really need to reappear for no other reason except to throw herself at Geralt as a reward, complete with a fully animated sex scene? And the dialogue between the two of them beforehand is so bad it is painful.

 

Haha "complete with a fully animated sex scene". There is a word that describes the scene and it's called "generic". This means that the scene doesn't add anything to the encounter.

 

And the point of the character is to go out of the way to save her. Once you save her, she hits on you, will you be the better man or you will take advantage?

 

This is what makes this encounter mature.



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I really think a few of you are over thinking this I mean its just the rating of the game, if there is full frontal nudity then its there if not oh well as long as the romance scenes are better than the ones in DA 2 then I could really careless 



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You can't be serious. 

 

While the decision itself a major one, Mottle is an extremely minor character that doesn't have more than a few lines of dialogue in the entire game. Did she really need to reappear for no other reason except to throw herself at Geralt as a reward, complete with a fully animated sex scene? And the dialogue between the two of them beforehand is so bad it is painful.

The question is, why shouldn't she appear? Geralt saved her life and met her some time after. So why shouldn't she "reward" him with sex for it? Does every sexual encounter need to be the result of long conversations and "doing things for him/her" like in dragon age? Are there no "one night stands" in the fictional witcher world or in real life, which doesnt need much conversation? Doesn't such a sexual encounter fit in the witcher books lore?



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I really think a few of you are over thinking this I mean its just the rating of the game, if there is full frontal nudity then its there if not oh well as long as the romance scenes are better than the ones in DA 2 then I could really careless 

Who really cares about nudity, its not like it matters in the long run its everywhere now a-days. So yes its over thinking and the rating board are run by a bunch of grandpas and grandmas from the looks of it.

The game doesn't have an AO rating and that is all that should matter cause it won't hurt sales and the like.

Has for the romance scenes more thinking how they did it  ME 1 flashes of nude skin and shadow play more then anything, since they did say tasteful or something like that.



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Wolfenstein: TNO has two or three sexual scenes too. I didn't see it coming. I don't suggest to play this game on consoles (on TV in front of others)! It is indeed a M.

 

Indeed there must be a rating between M and T for games like DA:O and ME2 as someone said earlier.



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You can't be serious. 

 

While the decision itself is a major one, Mottle is an extremely minor character that doesn't have more than a few lines of dialogue in the entire game. Did she really need to reappear for no other reason except to throw herself at Geralt as a reward, complete with a fully animated sex scene? There is literally no reason for this character to return later in the game, except that CDPR wanted an opportunity to squeeze in another sex scene. It is the very definition of gratuitous. And the dialogue between the two of them beforehand is so bad it is painful.

 

She was there to give you a key for another quest, and yes, for the sexy times. I see nothing overtly sexist in it. Interesting that CDPR shows her as relieved after 'repaying' the debt in a rather snarky manner:

 

Mottle: "Am I ever glad to have that debt off my mind."

 

Geralt: "I'm happy for you."

 

Mottle: "I'm happy for us both!"

 

It's clearly a self aware scene. Keep in mind this was the one part in the entire game censored for Australia, I wouldn't be surprised the writers were having a bit of fun here.



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The question is, why shouldn't she appear? Geralt saved her life and met her some time after. So why shouldn't she "reward" him with sex for it? Does every sexual encounter need to be the result of long conversations and "doing things for him/her" like in dragon age? Are there no "one night stands" in the fictional witcher world or in real life, which doesnt need much conversation? Doesn't such a sexual encounter fit in the witcher books lore?

 

The issue is that you have a very minor character who has no reason to reappear, return simply to offer the protagonist sex. And it comes with an animated sex scene where only she is nude, when a fade to black could have sufficed. 

 

I'm just not seeing how that scene can be described as anything other than blatant fanservice for dudes. I actually have no problem with people wanting that in the game. I just find it humorous when people try to dress it up as something it isn't, because they are embarrassed to admit why they really liked the scene.



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The issue is that you have a very minor character who has no reason to reappear, return simply to offer the protagonist sex. And it comes with an animated sex scene where only she is nude, when a fade to black could have sufficed. 

 

I'm just not seeing how that scene can be described as anything other than blatant fanservice for dudes. I actually have no problem with people wanting that in the game. I just find it humorous when people try to dress it up as something it isn't, because they are embarrassed to admit why they really liked the scene.

 

"Debauchery is one of my favorite pastimes, and I wouldn't want a noose around my neck for it!"

 

Agreed. That scene with Mottle is so very cheesy.


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The issue is that you have a very minor character who has no reason to reappear, return simply to offer the protagonist sex. And it comes with an animated sex scene where only she is nude, when a fade to black could have sufficed. 

 

Repeating something doesn't make it true. Just makes you a bot. Nice going there bot.



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The issue is that you have a very minor character who has no reason to reappear, return simply to offer the protagonist sex. And it comes with an animated sex scene where only she is nude, when a fade to black could have sufficed. 

 

I'm just not seeing how that scene can be described as anything other than blatant fanservice for dudes. I actually have no problem with people wanting that in the game. I just find it humorous when people try to dress it up as something it isn't, because they are embarrassed to admit why they really liked the scene.

Did you even watch the scene? You see her as much naked as Geralt. (upper body) And why should there be a fade do black? They are going to have sex, so why shouldn't it be showed? Maybe it's because I'm from Europe, but i find it ridiculous how people get upset about a game showing nudity, but mass murder, torture and extensive violence is absolutely fine. Why don't we also fade to black if someone gets killed ? Or why don't we censor it if someone swears?



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Lets play nice guys
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M 17+ is for teenagers too. Adults don't generally like similar themes to teenagers. 

Dat burn.