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[Han Shot First]

Repeating something doesn't make it true. Just makes you a bot. Nice going there bot.

 

Your jimmies seem rustled. Relax sport. I don't work for CDPR, and have no control over the amount of boobs that you'll get to ogle in the game.

 

 

 

 

nici2412, on 28 Sept 2014 - 5:50 PM, said:

 

Did you even watch the scene? You see her as much naked as Geralt. (upper body) And why should there be a fade do black? They are going to have sex, so why shouldn't it be showed? Maybe it's because I'm from Europe, but i find it ridicolous how people get upset about a game showing nudity. But mass murder, torture and extensive violence is absolutely fine. Why don't we also fade to black if someone get killed ? Or why don't we censor it if someone swears?

 

Just because I argued that a sex scene was gratuitous doesn't necessarily mean that I'm offended by nudity. I'm fine with games that are clearly marketed towards adults containing nudity or even graphic sex scenes, just as I'm okay with them containing graphic depictions of violence. On both counts however I prefer that if it is included, it isn't gratuitous. In either case it shouldn't feel tacked on just for fanservice.

 

The sex scenes in Mass Effect 1 are a good example of scenes that included nudity that wasn't gratuitous. I'd argue the same for the Rose of Remembrance scene with Triss in the Witcher 2. 

 

Mottle and the scenes with the prostitutes in TW2...not so much. I think the DA series handled casual encounters better, though the romance scenes with companion LIs in DAO was not well handled. Semi-clothed dry humping is just as bad as gratuitous nudity, IMO.

[Gtdef]

Your jimmies seem rustled. Relax sport. I don't work for CDPR, and thus have no control over the amount of boobs that you'll get to ogle in the game.

 

I don't have a need to relax. You think my point is humorous, I think you are a bot. Simple as that. I do find it funny though that you assume that I care about boobs. You obviously didn't read the part where I say that I skipped the encounter most of the time. In your defense it was an edited addition. 

[Loup Blanc]

Pretty much all the content I enjoy in a game

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The moment Bioware has Dragon Age mirror The Witcher is the moment Bioware loses me as a customer of Dragon Age games.

No self-respecting person should want to emulate that...thing. 

 

That said, unlike CDRP Bioware has tried to handle things much more tastefully so hopefully I have nothing to worry about. 

[slimgrin]

Then here's hoping we see ****** and hookers in DA.

 

The rage would be hilarious.

[raging_monkey]

Then here's hoping we see ****** and hookers in DA.
 
The rage would be hilarious.

yes it would and it would be some nice shows

[Lennard Testarossa]

Blood-splattered boobies.

[Revan Reborn]

The Witcher 1 was certainly guilty of objectifying women with the silly collectible sex cards. 

 

 

If we are talking about a major character like Triss I mostly agree, but there are also some minor characters that Geralt can shag with a minimum of effort or dialogue that also results in HBO-style sex scenes with lots of exclusively female nudity. As much as I'm thankful for Geralt always wearing pants or being shot above the waist, I think the Witcher's critics do have a point. It is an uphill battle to try and argue that those shallow scenes served any other purpose beyond being produced to titillate a male audience.

That's not true either. The "sex" cards were actual reminiscent of early twentieth century "naughty" postcards. Everything CDPR did was grounded in actual historical reference and context. They didn't just have sex in there for the sake of sex. Again, having a greater knowledge of The Witcher series would allow people not to jump to ridiculous conclusions.

 

With the exception of prostitutes, whose occupation is rather straightforward and obvious, what minor characters are your referring to? Shani wasn't minor. Vess wasn't minor. Every character that happened to be female that Geralt had a relationship with tended to be rather involved. It wasn't just a quick one night stand and move on situation. It should also be addressed that Witchers have a reputation of being promiscuous, and in fact various commoners in The Witcher 1 will actually poke fun of that known fact.

 

In my personal opinion, it is a lack of understanding of The Witcher lore and history that leads people to easily assume more about a subject matter than they actually know. Are there elements of sexuality and nudity in The Witcher? Yes. Is it just pure titillation for the purpose of selling copies? No. Every element of The Witcher has a point, a purpose, and further builds the larger world and history of the franchise. Failing to understand that doesn't make it soft-core porn.

[Revan Reborn]

You should really give context. That "event" isn't even possible unless you make a decisive choice during chapter one of the game, of which requires many hours to complete. You then actually have to wait until you are in chapter two to even have this choice. Again, going back to the reputation of Witchers in the novels, as well as given the context from the woman who was actually an elf, things aren't quite as simple as you are claiming them to be. If you want to claim it's just titillation, you are certainly entitled to do that...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's not true either. The "sex" cards were actual reminiscent of early twentieth century "naughty" postcards. Everything CDPR did was grounded in actual historical reference and context. They didn't just have sex in there for the sake of sex. Again, having a greater knowledge of The Witcher series would allow people not to jump to ridiculous conclusions.

Yeah, because history has never objectified women. So doing something that was supported in our history means its okay.  

[Shadow Fox]

Yeah, because history has never objectified women. So doing something that was supported in our history means its okay.  

Ohhhh burn.

[Revan Reborn]

Yeah, because history has never objectified women. So doing something that was supported in our history means its okay.  

You are missing the point lol... History and the world today objectifies women. The Witcher is a fantasy world that, guess what, takes place in the past... It's history... All of the events and issues tackled are based on real life in one way, shape or form. If you don't like real life, that's fine, don't play The Witcher games. It's filled with all sorts of references to history.

 

Dragon Age is much more fictitious fantasy and it's much more family-friendly. Rest assured, my point was that Dragon Age will never be as mature as The Witcher. I also believe it never should be, as Dragon Age should stay true to what made it successful. The "nudity" rating in DAI will likely be a higher resolution broodmother or a desire demon. I seriously doubt you will have to worry about a brothel or any "HBO cut scenes" ruining your experience.

[Eonetic]

CD Projekt RED has already said that the sex cards were a mistake.It's time to ******* drop it -.-

[Zu Long]

CD Projekt RED has already said that the sex cards were a mistake.It's time to ******* drop it -.-

 

That will probably happen when people stop bringing up the re-used Caves in DA2, which Bioware has similarly admitted were a mistake. (In other words, never.)

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You are missing the point lol... History and the world today objectifies women. The Witcher is a fantasy world that, guess what, takes place in the past... It's history... All of the events and issues tackled are based on real life in one way, shape or form. If you don't like real life, that's fine, don't play The Witcher games. It's filled with all sorts of references to history.

 

Dragon Age is much more fictitious fantasy and it's much more family-friendly. Rest assured, my point was that Dragon Age will never be as mature as The Witcher. I also believe it never should be, as Dragon Age should stay true to what made it successful. The "nudity" rating in DAI will likely be a higher resolution broodmother or a desire demon. I seriously doubt you will have to worry about a brothel or any "HBO cut scenes" ruining your experience.

First, I get your points. I just disagree with them. That does not mean "You are missing the point lol". So drop the condescending attitude. This isn't the first thread you've done that. 

 

Second, The Witcher does not take place in the past. We have never had elves or any of the mythical creatures in the series on Earth for example. It may be influenced by our past, but it is not in our past. 

 

Third, just because something is willing to show what society was like in the past does not make it more mature than something that does not. In fact, an argument can be made for the opposite since society today is more mature than in the past and thus games which promote modern mindsets are more mature than those which promote medieval mindsets.

[Giantdeathrobot]

That's not true either. The "sex" cards were actual reminiscent of early twentieth century "naughty" postcards. Everything CDPR did was grounded in actual historical reference and context. They didn't just have sex in there for the sake of sex. Again, having a greater knowledge of The Witcher series would allow people not to jump to ridiculous conclusions.

 

 

 

That's a ridiculous argument. We know women have been objectified all through history. That's not a reason to continue that trend at all, especially if you want to call yourself ''mature'' in the same breath.

 

I mean, cripes, with that logic a developper making a game glorifying racism or enslavement would be perfectly OK, since that happened in history too. Depicting sexism is perfectly OK, reveling in it is most definitely not.

[AresKeith]

That will probably happen when people stop bringing up the re-used Caves in DA2, which Bioware has similarly admitted were a mistake. (In other words, never.)

 

Difference being that one is used as a joke while the other is used like they still do it in the sequels 

[Revan Reborn]

First, I get your points. I just disagree with them. That does not mean "You are missing the point lol". So drop the condescending attitude. This isn't the first thread you've done that. 

 

Second, The Witcher does not take place in the past. We have never had elves or any of the mythical creatures in the series on Earth for example. It may be influenced by our past, but it is not in our past. 

 

Third, just because something is willing to show what society was like in the past does not make it more mature than something that does not. In fact, an argument can be made for the opposite since society today is more mature than in the past and thus games which promote modern mindsets are more mature than those which promote medieval mindsets.

Then if you get the points, why are you arguing whether it's right or wrong? The Witcher is all about social issues and CDPR is the only video game developer willing to bring various issues to light. The farthest BioWare will go is in regards to sexuality.

 

Also, if you feel I'm coming across as condescending in any way shape or form, you are mistaken. I have little interest in upsetting anyone. My point is to merely enlighten those who make fast assertions about things they are mistaken about.

 

You are arguing semantics. Given the full context of my sentence, you clearly understand it's dark fantasy grounded in real life history. Lets not be silly.

 

I'm not even sure how to respond to your last sentence... I personally wouldn't make the argument that society is more mature than in the past, but feel free. The ultimate point is that our world, and humanity as a whole is flawed. We aren't perfect and we never will be. The Witcher is largely a commentary about that. Dragon Age, on the other hand, is largely inspired by Dungeons and Dragons and the Lord of the Rings, being more about an epic story placing unlikely heroes against great villains. They are different types of experiences. I'm merely explaining the difference.

[Gannayev of Dreams]

I wondered how a thread about the game's rating could generate so many posts.  Unsurprising, then, that it had devolved into yet another "Witcher vs DA" debate.

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

Guys chill out FFS, what is the point in arguing when we don't even know the extent to the content that "Nudity" means??? Wait till the game comes out and then you can have your arguments about nudity being the right thing or not. It is possible for full frontal nudity to be done and it be tasteful you know. Who cares what Witcher did??! I prefer DA over Witcher any day but my gosh Nudity doesn't mean its going to be like the Witcher at all stop judging before the game is even out. Just chill out before someone gets banned or the thread gets locked which really sounds like a good idea at the rate its going. For all you know your making a big deal out of something that will turn out to be nothing. 

[Revan Reborn]

That's a ridiculous argument. We know women have been objectified all through history. That's not a reason to continue that trend at all, especially if you want to call yourself ''mature'' in the same breath.

 

I mean, cripes, with that logic a developper making a game glorifying racism or enslavement would be perfectly OK, since that happened in history too. Depicting sexism is perfectly OK, reveling in it is most definitely not.

The real world is not a perfect place. Part of the commentary of The Witcher series and novels is to recognize that fact. You don't have to like the social issues that it addresses. They aren't supposed to make you feel comfortable. That is why it's a very mature game that many people should not experience. Otherwise, they will misconstrue what it's actually about, much like many in this thread.

 

Racism and slavery are still very much issues today. To ignore them or act like they never happened is true ignorance. The only way people can learn from their mistakes is to tackle these issues head-on and to deal with them. Again, if you don't like the social issues The Witcher depicts, simply don't buy the game. Dragon Age is much more family-friendly and is meant to be pure entertainment rather than necessarily teaching you about life.

 

I agree with others in this thread that the topic has gone way off course. DAI's rating isn't surprising in the slightest. Based on what we already know from DAO and DA2, I'm not expecting anything we haven't already encountered.

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

I don't have a need to relax. You think my point is humorous, I think you are a bot. Simple as that. I do find it funny though that you assume that I care about boobs. You obviously didn't read the part where I say that I skipped the encounter most of the time. In your defense it was an edited addition. 

Its hard not to see your point as humorous when you act like this

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

Then if you get the points, why are you arguing whether it's right or wrong? The Witcher is all about social issues and CDPR is the only video game developer willing to bring various issues to light. The farthest BioWare will go is in regards to sexuality.

 

Also, if you feel I'm coming across as condescending in any way shape or form, you are mistaken. I have little interest in upsetting anyone. My point is to merely enlighten those who make fast assertions about things they are mistaken about.

 

You are arguing semantics. Given the full context of my sentence, you clearly understand it's dark fantasy grounded in real life history. Lets not be silly.

 

I'm not even sure how to respond to your last sentence... I personally wouldn't make the argument that society is more mature than in the past, but feel free. The ultimate point is that our world, and humanity as a whole is flawed. We aren't perfect and we never will be. The Witcher is largely a commentary about that. Dragon Age, on the other hand, is largely inspired by Dungeons and Dragons and the Lord of the Rings, being more about an epic story placing unassuming heroes against great villains. They are different types of experiences. I'm merely explaining the difference.

So what, I should just shut up if I get what someone is saying but disagree with it? 

 

Having little interest in upsetting anyone or being condescending does not mean you don't do it. If you shoot someone in the leg, regardless of if you had interest in hurting them, you still hurt them. 

 

I'd address the rest of your post, but others have expressed a desire for it to stop so you, me, and everyone else involved should drop it. 

[La_Mer]

I wondered how a thread about the game's rating could generate so many posts.  Unsurprising, then, that it had devolved into yet another "Witcher vs DA" debate.

 

It seems to be more of a "The Witcher is icky and I don't like it!" vs "The Witcher isn't icky and I do like it!"

 

Dragon Age seems to be of minimal importance, despite the BioWare forums being the venue.

[BloodyTalon]

Then here's hoping we see ****** and hookers in DA.

 

The rage would be hilarious.

Think R rated movie at best, otherwise lands it a AO rated.