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[Jester]

So keep the kids in a damn cage while you play.

My point is, the developers and the rating system do their job and responsibility. They let the consumer know what content is in their product and who it is marketed to. The rest is up to the parents. If a child happens to walk in at the right (or wrong) time, that is the problem and responsibility of the parent. But of course, why do their "job" and explain to the child that sex is something natural which should be practiced safely after the age of consent, when they can get angry and scream "BAN BAN BAN". And if that child walks in during a scene with graphic violence, it's perfectly fine. No damage done.

And violence is "natural because" we are so desensitized toward it. Violence should NOT be natural.

Exactly. It's up to the parents to control what they children see. 

There are movies that show nudity or violence - they are not meant to be watched by children and it's up to parents to control that. 

 

And to be honest, I cannot understand why nudity is received with such an outrage. It's often censored - for example Youtube would remove Let's Players' videos containing nude sex scenes - being perfectly fine with bloody decapitations. 

How is it not okay to show bare breasts, but perfectly fine to show mutilated dead bodies, dismemberment and rivers of blood spraying onto the screen? I'm not a parent, but if I was, I'd much rather have my child see a gentle nude sex scene in a video game, than brutal violence.

 

And that's not even an argument. Games containing sex scenes are rated mature anyway - and are meant to be viewed by adults. Bringing children into this debate is quite pointless.

And if someone makes a fuss over a video game - what about movies? Or books - which often describe sexual encounters? Hell, many books even describe rape or torture scenes, and those are not really rated or controlled in any way.

[Elhanan]

Exactly. It's up to the parents to control what they children see. 
There are movies that show nudity or violence - they are not meant to be watched by children and it's up to parents to control that. 
 
And to be honest, I cannot understand why nudity is received with such an outrage. It's often censored - for example Youtube would remove Let's Players' videos containing nude sex scenes - being perfectly fine with bloody decapitations. 
How is it not okay to show bare breasts, but perfectly fine to show mutilated dead bodies, dismemberment and rivers of blood spraying onto the screen? I'm not a parent, but if I was, I'd much rather have my child see a gentle nude sex scene in a video game, than brutal violence.
 
And that's not even an argument. Games containing sex scenes are rated mature anyway - and are meant to be viewed by adults. Bringing children into this debate is quite pointless.
And if someone makes a fuss over a video game - what about movies? Or books - which often describe sexual encounters? Hell, many books even describe rape or torture scenes, and those are not really rated or controlled in any way.

Actually, they are, and parents are also key to solutions. But a lack of parental oversight is also a major part of the problem. Personally know of a child that was left alone to watch cable TV while the parents partied, worked, etc. It was a more caring family that offered the child a better environment, as well as rules and discipline.

Personally, I use the Gore setting to turn off the flow of blood as much as possible. And I can often make choices in the games I choose to play to avoid scenes I find distasteful. But a bit of research beforehand as to the materials, options, etc is recommended.

[littlebrightpanda]

Now I am curious for the PEGI and German-rating of the game, if they differ. It's interesting because the whole ME-series was rated "16" and all of Dragon Age was rated "18" so far, with violence bumping up the rating for Dragon Age (nudity is seldomly the reason for high ratings). 

 

It's also interesting, because in Germany the ratings are legally binding, meaning you can't buy a game rated "18" as a 16-year-old, while the ESRB are just an indication for parents. I am not saying that it being legally binding in Germany prohibits minors from playing the game, but at least they have to inform an adult about the game if they want it, which might lead to more exchange about the themes of games between adults and children. 

 

The only time I convinced my parents to buy me a game rated "18" was when I was 17 and wanted to play MGS:4. I researched the game and the reason why it was rated "18" and prepared a whole power-point presentation about it. After a long discussion, my parents agreed to buy it and they even hung out watching me play to see what the game was about. 

[Melca36]

Let me point out something here when it comes to sex and nudity.

 

America has the highest amount of rape statistics for the world. We have the highest rate of sexual violence in the world. We also have the biggest rate of Teen Pregnancy in the world.

 

Other countries show far more risque stuff on TV...etc yet their rape and teen pregnancy rates remain lower than America's.

 

We're obviously doing something wrong and its not just the parents...its our society as a whole.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Let me point out something here when it comes to sex and nudity.

 

America has the highest amount of rape statistics for the world. We have the highest rate of sexual violence in the world. We also have the biggest rate of Teen Pregnancy in the world.

 

Other countries show far more risque stuff on TV...etc yet their rape and teen pregnancy rates remain lower than America's.

 

We're obviously doing something wrong and its not just the parents...its our society as a whole.

No it's not.

[Elhanan]

Let me point out something here when it comes to sex and nudity.
 
America has the highest amount of rape statistics for the world. We have the highest rate of sexual violence in the world. We also have the biggest rate of Teen Pregnancy in the world.
 
Other countries show far more risque stuff on TV...etc yet their rape and teen pregnancy rates remain lower than America's.
 
We're obviously doing something wrong and its not just the parents...its our society as a whole.

From what I understand, sexual violence has little to do with sex, but more to do with power, aggression, etc. Not entering this part of the debate, but prefer clarity to the issue.

[SerCambria358]

Actually, they are, and parents are also key to solutions. But a lack of parental oversight is also a major part of the problem. Personally know of a child that was left alone to watch cable TV while the parents partied, worked, etc. It was a more caring family that offered the child a better environment, as well as rules and discipline.

Personally, I use the Gore setting to turn off the flow of blood as much as possible. And I can often make choices in the games I choose to play to avoid scenes I find distasteful. But a bit of research beforehand as to the materials, options, etc is recommended.

It isnt my place to question ones playing style but that to me just ruins the point of playing a game. Why intentionally handicap the game from the way it was meant to be played, its like watching an MMA fight but covering your eyes when someone gets hit.

 

"Distasteful" content (at least in these types of games) are meant to get a reaction out of you in order to grab the player emotionally, avoiding that just ruins the impact of the game that the devs were intending to get.

[MrMrPendragon]

Nudity and not partial nudity?

 

Do they show some guy's ass or something?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Nudity and not partial nudity?

 

Do they show some guy's ass or something?

Apparently the show everything but the frontal nether regions. 

[VelvetStraitjacket]

Actually, they are, and parents are also key to solutions. But a lack of parental oversight is also a major part of the problem. Personally know of a child that was left alone to watch cable TV while the parents partied, worked, etc. It was a more caring family that offered the child a better environment, as well as rules and discipline.

Personally, I use the Gore setting to turn off the flow of blood as much as possible. And I can often make choices in the games I choose to play to avoid scenes I find distasteful. But a bit of research beforehand as to the materials, options, etc is recommended.

 

In my opinion, some parents shouldn't try to "shield" their children from sex as fanatically as they do. It only builds their natural curiosity. What parents should do is educate their children and explain why sex should be practiced after a certain age and why it should be done safely. Parents shielding their children from the facts of life, such as sex ,and yes, violence as well, won't solve anything because they will come across those things on their own sooner or later, like it or not. And when children aren't educated, and actually deprived of said education, that's when teen pregnancy happens and STDs. And sexual content would actually be helpful in bringing on a conversation about those things, but most parents prefer to never engage in that conversation.

[Kantr]

 

Apparently they changed their minds since this interview: 

 

www.gamerzine...ew-talking.html

 

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The url is cut off. Which is unfortunate since it looks now like "Gamerzine ew talking"

 

 

 

Now I am curious for the PEGI and German-rating of the game, if they differ. It's interesting because the whole ME-series was rated "16" and all of Dragon Age was rated "18" so far, with violence bumping up the rating for Dragon Age (nudity is seldomly the reason for high ratings). 

 

It's also interesting, because in Germany the ratings are legally binding, meaning you can't buy a game rated "18" as a 16-year-old, while the ESRB are just an indication for parents. I am not saying that it being legally binding in Germany prohibits minors from playing the game, but at least they have to inform an adult about the game if they want it, which might lead to more exchange about the themes of games between adults and children. 

 

The only time I convinced my parents to buy me a game rated "18" was when I was 17 and wanted to play MGS:4. I researched the game and the reason why it was rated "18" and prepared a whole power-point presentation about it. After a long discussion, my parents agreed to buy it and they even hung out watching me play to see what the game was about. 

ESRB is enforced now (although parents buying for kids)

[pengwin21]

It isnt my place to question ones playing style but that to me just ruins the point of playing a game. Why intentionally handicap the game from the way it was meant to be played, its like watching an MMA fight but covering your eyes when someone gets hit.

 

"Distasteful" content (at least in these types of games) are meant to get a reaction out of you in order to grab the player emotionally, avoiding that just ruins the impact of the game that the devs were intending to get.

 

I think I turned down the gore settings as well, at least in DA:O. Everyone walking around with blood splattered all over them was just kinda gross.

[MrMrPendragon]

Apparently the show everything but the frontal nether regions. 

 

And by that you mean the penis and the vagina right?

 

That's ok, no one needs to see those two.

[SerCambria358]

I think I turned down the gore settings as well, at least in DA:O. Everyone walking around with blood splattered all over them was just kinda gross.

I was speaking on the "avoiding scenes i find distasteful" part, blood splatter was a bit much

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The url is cut off. Which is unfortunate since it looks now like "Gamerzine ew talking"

Sorry about that. I copied it from a place that breaks up urls. 

 

And by that you mean the penis and the vagina right?

 

That's ok, no one needs to see those two.

Yes, I meant those. 

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

And by that you mean the penis and the vagina right?
 
That's ok, no one needs to see those two.

I couldn't imagine how fast Inquisition would be banned or receive a AO rating if any male character flashed their penis

[Han Shot First]

 

America has the highest amount of rape statistics for the world. We have the highest rate of sexual violence in the world. We also have the biggest rate of Teen Pregnancy in the world.

 

 

 

The United States ranks fairly highly unfortunately, but it isn't number 1.

 

Countries Compared By Incidents of Rape Per 100,000 Citizens

[InfinitePaths]

Let me point out something here when it comes to sex and nudity.

 

America has the highest amount of rape statistics for the world. We have the highest rate of sexual violence in the world. We also have the biggest rate of Teen Pregnancy in the world.

 

Other countries show far more risque stuff on TV...etc yet their rape and teen pregnancy rates remain lower than America's.

 

We're obviously doing something wrong and its not just the parents...its our society as a whole.

 

I get the impression you're not taking into account unreported rape cases.

 

Unfortunately, a very small amount of rape cases in the world are actually reported.America is one of the only nations where it is encouraged to report if you're raped, and, also unfortunately In America, that's only for women :/.

 

I'm sure that countless more men and women are raped in other parts of the world than in America.I live in a 2nd world country and here teenage girls are raped very, very often.

 

Though they almost NEVER report it.It is considered normal for a teenage guy to "hook up" with teenage girls on parties etc. and consent is very rare.

[In Exile]

I agree that the first line of defense are the parents, but not even the best parents can monitor the children 24/7; even those using cages.

But rather than include more of the suspect material, and lessen the restrictions on it, perhaps it would be better to switch those valves to improve things overall.

 

Exposure to sexual content is only "suspect" because of cultural mores. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I couldn't imagine how fast Inquisition would be banned or receive a AO rating if any male character flashed their penis

Dante's Inferno didn't get one despite having Satan's penis on the screen for a prolonged period of time. 

[In Exile]

Dante's Inferno didn't get one despite having Satan's penis on the screen. 

 

There's always an exception for Satan's penis. Guy (?) gets away with everything. 

[Elhanan]

Exposure to sexual content is only "suspect" because of cultural mores.

I was ref profanity and violence, as well as sexual content that is excessive for children. And with cultural norms in decay, relaxing social restrictions does not seem as wise as reinforcing the restrictions already in place, or even increasing them.

[Elhanan]

It isnt my place to question ones playing style but that to me just ruins the point of playing a game. Why intentionally handicap the game from the way it was meant to be played, its like watching an MMA fight but covering your eyes when someone gets hit.
 
"Distasteful" content (at least in these types of games) are meant to get a reaction out of you in order to grab the player emotionally, avoiding that just ruins the impact of the game that the devs were intending to get.

I wouldn't know, as I choose not to watch MMA at all, and dropped Wrestling when it started to demean the wrestler's themselves, as well as the women involved in the name of entertainment.

No reason for me to explore content that I dislike; do not need to gather cards, achievements, whatever. Not a handicap at all.

[In Exile]

I was ref profanity and violence, as well as sexual content that is excessive for children. And with cultural norms in decay, relaxing social restrictions does not seem as wise as reinforcing the restrictions already in place, or even increasing them.

 

I disagree. But at any rate, my point was that there's only an issue in "exposing" children if you think there's actual harm that results from it, which is very much a question of cultural morals. 

[Elhanan]

In my opinion, some parents shouldn't try to "shield" their children from sex as fanatically as they do. It only builds their natural curiosity. What parents should do is educate their children and explain why sex should be practiced after a certain age and why it should be done safely. Parents shielding their children from the facts of life, such as sex ,and yes, violence as well, won't solve anything because they will come across those things on their own sooner or later, like it or not. And when children aren't educated, and actually deprived of said education, that's when teen pregnancy happens and STDs. And sexual content would actually be helpful in bringing on a conversation about those things, but most parents prefer to never engage in that conversation.

Protecting children from harmful materials does not have to grow into excessive extremes as many believe. And if more care, focus, and priorities were placed on our children, there actually might be less of those problems in their lives to encounter. If the beast is trying to enter the home, it is better to secure the door rather than leaving it ajar.