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[Elhanan]

I disagree. But at any rate, my point was that there's only an issue in "exposing" children if you think there's actual harm that results from it, which is very much a question of cultural morals.

One example I can use is the Broodmother poem and reveal from DAO. It was implemented in a mature, intelligent fashion that illustrated brilliantly the horror of what occurred. One did not need to see it performed, or even illustrated to receive the impact of the events leading to the monster itself. That said, I also would not want a child exposed to the poem and reveal, as it was designed for a mature audience.

[In Exile]

One example I can use is the Broodmother poem and reveal from DAO. It was implemented in a mature, intelligent fashion that illustrated brilliantly the horror of what occurred. One did not need to see it performed, or even illustrated to receive the impact of the events leading to the monster itself. That said, I also would not want a child exposed to the poem and reveal, as it was designed for a mature audience.

 

Part of the power behind that poem is that it separated the usual power balance between protagonists and horror elements in RPGs. In the usual case, you're an unkillable engine of death. If you happened to waltz in mind ... that... you'd just massacre everything in sight. The terror of the poem comes from the fact that you're powerless - all you can do is listen to it, passively. And because it's ambient dialogue, you can't even skip past it, or listen to it at your own pace. It's just an excellent scene.

[Elhanan]

Part of the power behind that poem is that it separated the usual power balance between protagonists and horror elements in RPGs. In the usual case, you're an unkillable engine of death. If you happened to waltz in mind ... that... you'd just massacre everything in sight. The terror of the poem comes from the fact that you're powerless - all you can do is listen to it, passively. And because it's ambient dialogue, you can't even skip past it, or listen to it at your own pace. It's just an excellent scene.

For myself, it reminded me of the works of Poe.

[VelvetStraitjacket]

Protecting children from harmful materials does not have to grow into excessive extremes as many believe. And if more care, focus, and priorities were placed on our children, there actually might be less of those problems in their lives to encounter. If the beast is trying to enter the home, it is better to secure the door rather than leaving it ajar.

 

So, going by that analogy, parents should provide their children with chastity belts.

Yes, if more care, focus and education would be placed on children instead of depriving them of vital information, some problems could be avoided. But like I said before, parents prefer to avoid talking about the "difficult" things and instead keep their kids in a bubble which will pop when they enter the real world.

The thing is, I believe a lot of these conservative people simply use their children as an excuse to censor and ban things they're against. But enough about the kids thing because it's getting tiring. At the end of the day, developers, publishers and the rating systems do their jobs, and if a parent doesn't, that is entirely their problem.

You say you don't want to see violence and digital sex, and that's fine, it's your choice. But that does not mean that those things should be censored or removed. Freedom of expression, remember that? Also, you always have the option to skip the digital sex.

[In Exile]

So, going by that analogy, parents should provide their children with chastity belts.

Given what people use those for today... I don't think that'll help with the whole "avoid risque forms of sex". 

[VelvetStraitjacket]

Given what people use those for today... I don't think that'll help with the whole "avoid risque forms of sex". 

 

Good point...

[Dermain]

Abount time we have proper nudity during sex sex scene

 

It's not "proper nudity" unless you see a penis.

 

Exactly. It's up to the parents to control what they children see. 

There are movies that show nudity or violence - they are not meant to be watched by children and it's up to parents to control that. 

 

And to be honest, I cannot understand why nudity is received with such an outrage. It's often censored - for example Youtube would remove Let's Players' videos containing nude sex scenes - being perfectly fine with bloody decapitations. 

How is it not okay to show bare breasts, but perfectly fine to show mutilated dead bodies, dismemberment and rivers of blood spraying onto the screen? I'm not a parent, but if I was, I'd much rather have my child see a gentle nude sex scene in a video game, than brutal violence.

 

And that's not even an argument. Games containing sex scenes are rated mature anyway - and are meant to be viewed by adults. Bringing children into this debate is quite pointless.

And if someone makes a fuss over a video game - what about movies? Or books - which often describe sexual encounters? Hell, many books even describe rape or torture scenes, and those are not really rated or controlled in any way.

 

It comes from a certain group that helped found this country.

 

No it's not.

 

If it's not caused by society what causes it then?

[daveliam]

It's not "proper nudity" unless you see a penis.

 

 

I think I want this on a t-shirt......

[Kantr]

I'm not sure this is the best place on a discussion on what counts as nudity and western views on sex

[Elhanan]

So, going by that analogy, parents should provide their children with chastity belts.
Yes, if more care, focus and education would be placed on children instead of depriving them of vital information, some problems could be avoided. But like I said before, parents prefer to avoid talking about the "difficult" things and instead keep their kids in a bubble which will pop when they enter the real world.
The thing is, I believe a lot of these conservative people simply use their children as an excuse to censor and ban things they're against. But enough about the kids thing because it's getting tiring. At the end of the day, developers, publishers and the rating systems do their jobs, and if a parent doesn't, that is entirely their problem.
You say you don't want to see violence and digital sex, and that's fine, it's your choice. But that does not mean that those things should be censored or removed. Freedom of expression, remember that? Also, you always have the option to skip the digital sex.

Guess you skipped the part of avoiding excessive extremes, and went right to the end notes.

No bubbles needed, but one does not have to expose kids to profanity, violence, and sexual content to enable them to make wise decisions concerning those subjects. And I do avoid so-called Mature content in much of pop culture, for far too often there is little maturity involved.

It is also my experience that when those holding a stricter opinion of authority are in charge, some fear the loss of rights and the ban of materials. Yet when those of a more permissive opinion are the authorities, rights are simply taken as well as materials in the name of the greater good,; no fear, just gone.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

If it's not caused by society what causes it then?

I was referring to the poster's allegations of America being x,y,z when it it is not. There are countries with higher rates. 

[Dermain]

I was referring to the poster's allegations of America being x,y,z when it it is not. There are countries with higher rates. 

 

Would you disagree if it was edited to be the highest first world country with those problems?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Would you disagree if it was edited to be the highest first world country with those problems?

Even limiting it to first world countries, it still is beaten by others so I would still disagree. 

[daveliam]

I feel like this is probably off topic, no?

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

If there is proper on screen nudity during sex scenes, i hope its not just mostly reserved for the lesbian romances, id rather avoid a ME3 situation where the girl-girl parts were really obviously created with just straight males in mind rather then lesbian/bisexual women

[Steelcan]

If there is proper on screen nudity during sex scenes, i hope its not just mostly reserved for the lesbian romances, id rather avoid a ME3 situation where the girl-girl parts were really obviously created with just straight males in mind rather then lesbian/bisexual women

but there wasn't on screen nudity for that romance......

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

but there wasn't on screen nudity for that romance......

Was still awkward IMO that it was some kinda bad attempt at a teenage boys lesbian fantasy

[Degs29]

Seems to me that DAI will be the most mature Dragon Age game to date. Strong language now included, along with more nudity for those who wanted it. Let the debating begin 

 

It's a mature game.  Why is debate necessary?  We're all adults, we've seen it all before.  The issue will always be how realistically it's portrayed, not the fact that it's in there.  And given that this is a fantasy game, realism is often stretched.

[schall_und_rauch]

If you guys want to compare, here's what DAO and DA2 got in their rating descriptions:
 
DAO: Blood, Intense Violence, Language, Partial Nudity, Sexual Content
 
DA2: Blood and Gore, Language, Sexual content, Violence
 
DAI: Blood, Intense Violence, Nudity, Sexual content, Strong language
 
Seems to me that DAI will be the most mature Dragon Age game to date. Strong language now included, along with more nudity for those who wanted it. Let the debating begin 

But...but...what happened to gore? I want my gore back!

Bioware, unless I see evidence of gore, I will cancel my pre-order.

[HydroFlame20]

Thank the maker.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

This thread has gone to disturbing places.

I'm happy with my most favorite stuff with rating T/R.

[Jimbo_Gee79]

I find it hillarious that a company rates this game as 17+ and yet you only have to be 13+ to be on this website.  Maybe EA/Bioware need to rethink that one.

[Gtdef]

But...but...what happened to gore? I want my gore back!

Bioware, unless I see evidence of gore, I will cancel my pre-order.

 

I have the lingering suspicion that when they say "gore" they mean body parts flying. DA2's dungeons and environments were pristine compared to DAO ;p 

[Jester]

One example I can use is the Broodmother poem and reveal from DAO. It was implemented in a mature, intelligent fashion that illustrated brilliantly the horror of what occurred. One did not need to see it performed, or even illustrated to receive the impact of the events leading to the monster itself. That said, I also would not want a child exposed to the poem and reveal, as it was designed for a mature audience.

The walk through that tunnel with that poem echoing in the air, and the events that followed, were hands down the most atmospheric part of the game. 

I really hope that there will be similar moments in Inquisition.

[Elhanan]

The walk through that tunnel with that poem echoing in the air, and the events that followed, were hands down the most atmospheric part of the game. 
I really hope that there will be similar moments in Inquisition.

Also enjoyed the creepy poems recited in Haven and the Alienage orphanage; the latter seemed very familiar to me for some unknown reason.