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[Steelcan]

but I've never seen anyone comment on a Witcher video that Witcher sucks and Dragon Age is better.

there may be a reason for that

[AresKeith]

The Witcher is undoubtedly dark fantasy, and DA has aspirations to be considered dark fantasy, they both deal with dying organizations meant to protect people, though the Witchers aren't as friendly or as well received as Grey Wardens.

 

The two games are fairly comparable when it comes to setting and themes.  Skyrim is high fantasy by contrast, more similar to Lord of the Rings

 

I always thought Lord of the Rings was dark fantasy

[Rychen]

Ran out likes so +100

Kwaiii, Give the girls some D! Especially the ironbulls

 

I'm all for the objectifying of male characters.  If I don't see some Dorian side bum after having to stare at side boob for years I will be thoroughly bewildered.  I mean have you seen him thrust that hip out!?

[Steelcan]

I always thought Lord of the Rings was dark fantasy

Lord of the Rings practically invented High Fantasy, the dark bits come mostly from peter Jackson's background as a horror movie director

[AresKeith]

Lord of the Rings practically invented High Fantasy, the dark bits come mostly from peter Jackson's background as a horror movie director

 

Well looking at The Hobbit, I can see it

[Killdren88]

I'm all for the objectifying of male characters.  If I don't see some Dorian side bum after having to stare at side boob for years I will be thoroughly bewildered.  I mean have you seen him thrust that hip out!?

 

If you think Tumblr is bad now..I certainly hope this happens otherwise will never hear the end of it.

[spacediscosaurus]

There's a difference between a game being misogynistic and a game set in a world where misogyny, racism, classism, ect is prevalent. People seem to have trouble distinguishing the two. Again Saskia, Phillipa, (delving into the books here) Yennefer, and Ciri are examples of strong and independent women. So for every woman that's spit on there's another standing tall.

 

A Song of Ice and Fire takes place in a misogynistic world, but I've never felt skeeved out when reading those books the way I have by Witcher. Again, I think it's mostly the fans that are affecting my judgment on this, since a lot of Witcher fans defend the misogyny like it's a good thing that it's misogynistic, rather than an unfortunate byproduct of the setting.

[nutcrackr]

MA15+ in Australia (22nd September)

 

Themes - Strong Impact

Violence - Strong Impact

Language - Moderate Impact

Drug Use - NA (Interesting? Lyrium?)

Nudity - Moderate Impact

Sex - Strong Impact

[Battlebloodmage]

I'm all for the objectifying of male characters.  If I don't see some Dorian side bum after having to stare at side boob for years I will be thoroughly bewildered.  I mean have you seen him thrust that hip out!?

I kinda want to know why Iron Bull is called Iron Bull. 

[TheJediSaint]

MA15+ in Australia (22nd September)

 

Themes - Strong Impact

Violence - Strong Impact

Language - Moderate Impact

Drug Use - NA (Interesting? Lyrium?)

Nudity - Moderate Impact

Sex - Strong Impact

Is nudity as big a deal in Australia as it is in the US? 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I kinda want to know why Iron Bull is called Iron Bull. 

Because he's a grey thing with armor and horns.

[spacediscosaurus]

there may be a reason for that

 

The overall maturity of the fanbases?

 

Seriously, there are plenty of people that prefer Dragon Age and many people that outright dislike Witcher. This thread is proof of that. And if you are in fact a person that thinks Dragon Age sucks, then why the hell are you on these forums?

[Steelcan]

A Song of Ice and Fire takes place in a misogynistic world, but I've never felt skeeved out when reading those books the way I have by Witcher. Again, I think it's mostly the fans that are affecting my judgment on this, since a lot of Witcher fans defend the misogyny like it's a good thing that it's misogynistic, rather than an unfortunate byproduct of the setting.

The games don't endorse misogyny, but they don't shy away from the fact that it exists in the setting

[AresKeith]

Is nudity as big a deal in Australia as it is in the US? 

 

Probably more, since they banned Mortal Kombat for it's violence 

[nutcrackr]

Is nudity as big a deal in Australia as it is in the US? 

Nope, nudity is not really a big deal here.

 

^ To clarify, violence is generally regarded as more problematic, also drug use.

[Rychen]

I kinda want to know why Iron Bull is called Iron Bull. 

 

I too am curious about riding the bull. Perhaps the second playthrough

[Steelcan]

The overall maturity of the fanbases?

 

Seriously, there are plenty of people that prefer Dragon Age and many people that outright dislike Witcher. This thread is proof of that. And if you are in fact a person that thinks Dragon Age sucks, then why the hell are you on these forums?

the quality of the games is my line of thinking.

 

Origins may be awesome, but DA2 is trash in CD form.  The Witcher 1 is a good game, and The Witcher 2 is amazing.

 

I'm here cause I like BioWare games in general and because I find enjoyment in participating in these forums

[SurelyForth]

A Song of Ice and Fire takes place in a misogynistic world, but I've never felt skeeved out when reading those books the way I have by Witcher. Again, I think it's mostly the fans that are affecting my judgment on this, since a lot of Witcher fans defend the misogyny like it's a good thing that it's misogynistic, rather than an unfortunate byproduct of the setting.

 

This is my issue. Like, it's almost sacred to them. But I suppose that's to be expected when the producers went beyond maintaining the sexism baked into the setting and decided to actively reward players for maximum sexism by doing their very most to turn women into literal 2-dimensional sex objects. 

 

I'm not saying DA is a better franchise, artistically or technically. The Witcher 3 looks amazing, even more so than Inquisition, but it's still tremendously off-putting to me, as a woman, to get into a game with  a **** ton of institutional misogyny and a fandom that revels in it (and mocks BW for caring about people who aren't straight white males). That's too much like real life, to be honest, and something that DA is much better about mitigating. 

[raging_monkey]

About the only rating that they do that really effects sales and devs and so on is AO can't sell games with that rating out in public. Cause its basically like an x rated movie rating.

i just dont approve of rescrictions in general. I see the point but still games are art now to a extent

[Arvaarad]

MA15+ in Australia (22nd September)

Themes - Strong Impact
Violence - Strong Impact
Language - Moderate Impact
Drug Use - NA (Interesting? Lyrium?)
Nudity - Moderate Impact
Sex - Strong Impact

If they're anything like the ESRB, they only care about drugs that exist in real life. So a game will get marks for alcohol, tobacco, or illegal drugs, but if it just deals with addiction to, say, wizard juice, that doesn't count as a drug.

[Giantdeathrobot]

LOL. It's like FOX news level of hypocrisy. People aren't saying the Witcher 2 is great for the secks and bewbs. It's great because the handling of the writing and the politics and factions are deep enough to give George RR Martin a headache. But again certain oversensitive people tether to a single aspect (that has actually improved since the first Witcher) of the entire series to cry foul in defense of some social agenda or another.

 

It's really not fair to judge something like that.

 

Politics to rival A Song of Ice and Fire? That's not how I saw it. The North at large vs Niflgaard (sp?) is pretty grey and well handled, as was the Letho business. But the Vergen vs Henselt thing was almost black and white, and devoid of much but ''these are nice dwarves with a kickass leader lady vs those are boorish, malicious soldiers with a fat ******* as a leader''. And the politics in the first game were basically ''both sides are extremist murderers, better not side with anyone''.

 

And while I do think it's blown way out of proportion by some, The Witcher does have problems in its representation of women. Almost all important women are gorgeous models (even Sila who the description says is modest has a tight corset indeed), and almost all men save Geralt and Dandelion are plain at best, ugly at worst. CD Projeckt obviously has their audience in mind. That's without going into female nudity being rampant while Geralt has sex with his pants on, or the just straight up stupid sex cards in the first game. It's not an empty criticism. Albeit from the footage I saw the third game seems to avert it, so they can learn from their mistakes which is very commendable.

 

Don't get me wrong, I liked TW1 and loved TW2. But the serie's fanbase does have a tendency to treat it as God's own gift to the genre, and I personally think it falls short of several other RPGs. Most notably in term of combat systems and mechanics which are rather simple. I also do not see how it's more mature than, say, Bioware games in any way. It's not like Origins (or even DAII) lacked for backstabbing politics.

[PCThug]

There's a difference between a game being misogynistic and a game set in a world where misogyny, racism, classism, ect are prevalent. People seem to have trouble distinguishing the two. Again Saskia, Phillipa, (delving into the books here) Yennefer, and Ciri are examples of strong and independent women. So for every woman that's spit on there's another standing tall.

Well yes, there is a difference between depiction and endorsement.

But the female nudity and the trading cards in the Witcher aren't there to impart information about the world. They're there for the audience and what the developer thinks the audience wants. I'm pretty sure in even the most misogynist cultures and time periods that men took their pants off when they had sex.

[AresKeith]

  that's because it's not. It has good gameplay but the misogonistic crap in that game ruins it.

 

To be fair, it's not like the game is trying to endorse misogyny or shy away from. It's what the World setting is based around