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[Zu Long]

The Witcher is undoubtedly dark fantasy, and DA has aspirations to be considered dark fantasy, they both deal with dying organizations meant to protect people, though the Witchers aren't as friendly or as well received as Grey Wardens.

 

The two games are fairly comparable when it comes to setting and themes.  Skyrim is high fantasy by contrast, more similar to Lord of the Rings

 

But I really feel that's just the background. Playing the Dragon Age games, with the story's emphasis on character interaction within the party and party based combat, is a very different experience than The Witcher games, with their solo combat and emphasis on roleplaying Geralt's lonely quest in a broken world. If you want to compare just the settings, that's fine, but most people talk about the games as a whole as if they're comparable experiences, and they really aren't.

[spacediscosaurus]

The games don't endorse misogyny, but they don't shy away from the fact that it exists in the setting

 

I fail to see how sex trading cards are "part of the setting", but YMMV. 

 

Speaking only of Witcher 2, which thankfully gets rid of that mechanic, I'm not opposed to misogyny being shown in a setting. Like I mentioned in my previous comment, it's more the way many Witcher fans endorse the misogyny. Plus, there are things in the Witcher games in addition to the cards that just feels icky to me in the way women are portrayed. Not in relation to the setting, but the way they're portrayed to the player. Which is a big difference, and contributes to the misogynistic fanbase. And I'm not saying that BioWare has been entirely perfect about that either. They've certainly had their moments.

[Steelcan]

Well yes, there is a difference between depiction and endorsement.

But the female nudity and the trading cards in the Witcher aren't there to impart information about the world. They're there for the audience and what the developer thinks the audience wants. I'm pretty sure in even the most misogynist cultures and time periods that men took their pants off when they had sex.

The devs have said that what they were going for in the first Witcher came across very poorly and they then rectified it in the sequel

[Steelcan]

I fail to see how sex trading cards are "part of the setting", but YMMV. 

 

Speaking only of Witcher 2, which thankfully gets rid of that mechanic, I'm not opposed to misogyny being shown in a setting. Like I mentioned in my previous comment, it's more the way many Witcher fans endorse the misogyny. Plus, there are things in the Witcher games in addition to the cards that just feels icky to me in the way women are portrayed. Not in relation to the setting, but the way they're portrayed to the player. Which is a big difference, and contributes to the misogynistic fanbase. And I'm not saying that BioWare has been entirely perfect about that either. They've certainly had their moments.

see above statement

[Steelcan]

But I really feel that's just the background. Playing the Dragon Age games, with the story's emphasis on character interaction within the party and party based combat, is a very different experience than The Witcher games, with their solo combat and emphasis on roleplaying Geralt's lonely quest in a broken world. If you want to compare just the settings, that's fine, but most people talk about the games as a whole as if they're comparable experiences, and they really aren't.

And I'd say they are, certainly more-so than TES games

[Killdren88]

To be fair, it's not like the game is trying to endorse misogyny or shy away from. It's what the World setting is based around

 

Well, yeah. It's awesome games like Dragon Age, exist, but that is just the nature of creating a fantasy universe. Their is no rule book saying if you create a fantasy world, you have to have equality for all and 100% tolerance for all creeds. Its all up to the author.

[nutcrackr]

If they're anything like the ESRB, they only care about drugs that exist in real life. So a game will get marks for alcohol, tobacco, or illegal drugs, but if it just deals with addiction to, say, wizard juice, that doesn't count as a drug.

Yes, you are right, I forgot about that. Fallout 3 had morphine which changed to med-x because of the ban here.

[OctagonalSquare]

BioWare will never be mature in my eyes until they stop censoring swear words on BSN.

[Notshauna]

There's a difference between a game being misogynistic and a game set in a world where misogyny, racism, classism, ect are prevalent. People seem to have trouble distinguishing the two. Again Saskia, Phillipa, (delving into the books here) Yennefer, and Ciri are examples of strong and independent women. So for every woman that's spit on there's another standing tall.

I'm sure there are a lot of really good female characters in the Witcher but when they advertise Triss in Playboy, from making a mentally scared character into another LI/collectable/sex object. CD Projekt RED isn't terrible, and they've improved a lot but there are numerous times where I can help and wonder how on earth some of that stuff is approved. Seriously sex trading cards. A torture & rape victim that lusts for Geralt when she's still in chains (this was changed due to fan feedback)http://www.neoseeker...g-reconsidered/.

[spacediscosaurus]

I could get offended about DA's depiction of racism against elves (because I'm a minority). I could get offended about the dozens of 'kill all da elves' threads floating around for the same reason. But I don't. A part of story telling since the beginning of time has been to teach and to learn. Racism, misogyny, ect exist in the everyday. There's no running from it. I'd rather a setting embrace it as realistically as possible than sweep it under the rug and pretend it doesn't exist. Some people disagree. To them I say, "do you and I'll do me". I'll take something genuine over something that's sugarcoated. Less insult to my intelligence.

 

I'm not disagreeing with you on this? I never said that a misogynistic setting is bad, but rather that the fanbase being misogynistic and therefore reveling in the setting is and turns me off to it (I also think it's gross when people embrace the elf racism or are extreme pro-Templar and such for the same reason). One can enjoy a story set in a misogynistic/racist/etc. world and also understand that it's unfortunate that the world is like that, rather than enjoying the fact that the setting is those things.

[Steelcan]

from making a mentally scared character into another LI/collectable/sex object.

this made me laugh

 

Anders and Fenris fill that to a T

[Killdren88]

I'm sure there are a lot of really good female characters in the Witcher but when they advertise Triss in Playboy, from making a mentally scared character into another LI/collectable/sex object. CD Projekt RED isn't terrible, and they've improved a lot but there are numerous times where I can help and wonder how on earth some of that stuff is approved. Seriously sex trading cards. A torture & rape victim that lusts for Geralt when she's still in chains (this was changed due to fan feedback)http://www.neoseeker...g-reconsidered/.

 

The only real reason I can think of is they look at it from a different perspective in Poland. They want to keep to Ye olden days of medieval times, I don't know. They do it because they want to. If that paints them as misogynist then thats on them. I think they knew that going in. 

[Elhanan]

BioWare will never be mature in my eyes until they stop censoring swear words on BSN.

Because nothing says adulthood and civil discourse like profanity....

[Steelcan]

Because nothing says adulthood and civil discourse like profanity....

adulthood and civil discourse?

 

on BSN?

[leaguer of one]

Good. I'm a grown man and I don't want to play a kids game. 

DA has always been ma for mature.

[Br3admax]

Wow nudity I hope it is well implemented

The closest you'll get are the statues in Orlais. We'll all just have to calm them hormones. 

[Notshauna]

this made me laugh

 

Anders and Fenris fill that to a T

Ehh yeah but pretty much everyone in Dragon Age 2 is psychologically scarred. I'm not saying that Bioware is perfect at this, like man did they get it so wrong in a lot of Mass Effect 3, but, there is a pretty big difference between taking people with schizophrenia (that's the closest real world analogue to Anders) and PTSD and making them romance partners as opposed to using someone who literally can't function.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Because nothing says adulthood and civil discourse like profanity....

 

Indeed! Think of the Chilluns!

 

If they encounter profanity the next thing you know they'll be dancing!!!!

 

#The parents from Footloose were right #Down with moral decay

 

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[Steelcan]

Ehh yeah but pretty much everyone in Dragon Age 2 is psychologically scarred. I'm not saying that Bioware is perfect at this, like man did they get it so wrong in a lot of Mass Effect 3, but, there is a pretty big difference between taking people with schizophrenia (that's the closest real world analogue to Anders) and PTSD and making them romance partners and someone who literally can't function.

>Anders can function

 

he can't recall where he is at all times, he's unsure what Justice/Vengeance is up to, he is at the mercy of a demon possessing his body.  This makes him better how?

[leaguer of one]

But I really feel that's just the background. Playing the Dragon Age games, with the story's emphasis on character interaction within the party and party based combat, is a very different experience than The Witcher games, with their solo combat and emphasis on roleplaying Geralt's lonely quest in a broken world. If you want to compare just the settings, that's fine, but most people talk about the games as a whole as if they're comparable experiences, and they really aren't.

Short story, fanboy logic vs fanboy logic.

[Seboist]

There's "romance" in DA? I thought a few brief convos culminating in a sexual climax constituted a hook up?

[Br3admax]

There's "romance" in DA? I thought a few brief convos culminating in a sexual climax constituted a hook up?

Not if they tell you, "I love you," afterwards you freaking heartless pleib. 

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

The closest you'll get are the statues in Orlais. We'll all just have to calm them hormones. 

Do I have to?