Saarebas, hands down.
With the Brain washing i don't think many mind it as much, its their duty to be Saarebas. and we are even told Qunari respect Saarebas who aren't possessed.
I would rather be a brain washed Saarebas than an Abused Kirkwall Mage.
But he to his own opinion i guess.
I'll also say Sareebas. They have it worse than most of slaves I think.
With the Brain washing i don't think many mind it as much, its their duty to be Saarebas. and we are even told Qunari respect Saarebas who aren't possessed.
I would rather be a brain washed Saarebas than an Abused Kirkwall Mage.
But he to his own opinion i guess.
Saarebas are forced to wear heavy pauldrons that are shackled together, a metal mask, and potentially have their lips stitched together. If they practice any magic deemed forbidden they have their tongues cut out. They are never allowed to be alone, watched over constantly by a guardian. If they’re separated from their guardian they must kill themselves or be killed. If they act out of line they are shocked into submission through a control rod much like a golem’s. They are literally leashed. “Honored” or not by the Qunari, they are effectively simply their weapon in chains and regardless of how they have been conditioned mentally their quality of life is the lowest of any of the Qunari. I almost didn’t even mention them because they practically fall into a slave category.
Circle mages are prisoners within their towers. Saarebas are prisoners within their own bodies.
The Casteless have it bad, but they aren’t restrained, chained, and constantly watched. As horrible as their conditions are they can still make an attempt at a life for themselves: join the Legion of the Dead, become a member of the Carta, or leave Orzammar and try to make it as a surface dwarf. None of those are easy options, but they are options.
When the question is who has the worst quality of life aside from slaves in Thedas, Saarebas have it the worst. Just imagine being in chains all day every day. No allowance of free will, no options save for serve or death. That's a pretty bleak life.
Saarebas are forced to wear heavy pauldrens that are shackled together, a metal mask, and potentially have their lips stitched together. If they practice any magic deemed forbidden they have their tongues cut out. They are never allowed to be alone, watched over constantly by a guardian. If they’re separated from their guardian they must kill themselves or be killed. If they act out of line they are shocked into submission through a control rod much like a golem’s. They are literally leashed. “Honored” or not by the qunari, they are effectively simply their weapon in chains and regardless of how they have been conditioned mentally their quality of life is the lowest of any of qunari. I almost didn’t even mention them because they practically fall into a slave category.
Circle mages are prisoners within their towers, Saarebas are prisoners within their own bodies.
The Casteless have it bad, but they aren’t restrained, chained, and constantly watched. As horrible as their conditions are they can still make attempt to make a life for themselves, join the Legion of the Dead, become a member of the Carta, or leave Orzhammar and try to make a life for yourself as a surface dwarf. None of those are easy options, but they are options.
You aren't getting it though. that's from your opinion. we see that even in the game. where the Saarebas doesn't want to be free even though mother Patrice thinks its awful what they are doing. I may like cinnamon gum and you might think i am destroying my mouth for liking cinnamon gum, it doesn't make your opinion true.
We know Casteless and city Elves want their lives to change. We Don't know Saarebas want their lives to change, in fact we see oposite we see two Saarebas on their own still doing what they think is right. We only think it sucks because of our opinion of our reality. just like some might say magic is evil and others don't.
Also they aren't the lowest of the Qunari since we know they make mindless slaves who they will just let work to death and who are given nothing.
And let me make myself clear. I am not saying their life isn't awful or who's life is worse compared to our standards and reality. but to them their life doesn't suck. just how so many think the Qunari are crazy for accepting something so harsh. But its just because of their opinions and biases of their reality. and that's why I don't think a Saarebas life sucks.
Unlike other who wish for change.
and we are even told Qunari respect Saarebas who aren't possessed.
They don't. Nothing less is expected of every Qunari.
They don't. Nothing less is expected of every Qunari.
Yeah they do. The Saarebas handler states they respect the Saarebas who are able to do what they must to not fall to demons. Be that meditation or self immolation.
Casteless have it bad, but aren't they pretty much free to leave Orzammar and go top side where no one cares?
There are many who have it bad in Thedas and many who have it worse than mages. This post does not disagree with that. I do think we can all agree that the mage system is not that great though.
"He who would give up a little liberty for safety deserves neither."
Yeah they do. The Saarebas handler states they respect the Saarebas who are able to do what they must to not fall to demons. Be that meditation or self immolation.
Arvaarad does not say that. The Arishok states that to assume so would be insulting to Saarebas
I will not insult Saarebas with the suggestion that making the right choice was difficult. I expect as much from every Qunari.
Arvaarad does not say that. The Arishok states that to assume so would be insulting to Saarebas
I will not insult Saarebas with the suggestion that making the right choice was difficult. I expect as much from every Qunari.
Qunari are like dogs, there is no 'choice'. If they behave poorly it's not their fault, it's their trainer's. Sten pretty much says it when he talks about his training as a child.
You aren't getting it though. that's from your opinion. we see that even in the game. where the Saarebas doesn't want to be free even though mother Patrice thinks its awful what they are doing. I may like cinnamon gum and you might think i am destroying my mouth for liking cinnamon gum, it doesn't make your opinion true.
We know Casteless and city Elves want their lives to change. We Don't know Saarebas want their lives to change, in fact we see oposite we see two Saarebas on their own still doing what they think is right. We only think it sucks because of our opinion of our reality. just like some might say magic is evil and others don't.
Also they aren't the lowest of the Qunari since we know they make mindless slaves who they will just let work to death and who are given nothing.
And let me make myself clear. I am not saying there life isn't awful or who's life is worse compared to our standards and reality. but to them there life doesn't suck. just how so many think the Qunari are crazy for accepting something so harsh. But its just because of their opinions and biases of their reality. and that's why I don't think a Saarebas life sucks.
Unlike other who wish for change.
We have limited experience with them in game, and as you said the only named Saarabes we've encountered chose to kill himself rather than leave the Qun. That being said, If everything was conditioned happiness and acceptance of their lot in life with the Qunari, Tal-Vashoth wouldn't exist. I'm looking forward to when we get a better perspective of a life within the Qunari, but overall not all that much has been presented to us from the Qunari point of view as of yet. Save for a few interesting conversations (A little bit from Sten, Tallis, and the Arishok) not much of a case study can be made. If DAI doesn't go more in depth concerning a Qunari's perspective (which I imagine it will considering you can choose to be one, and also Iron Bull), then hopefully a future novel will.
I could make real world examples in regards to what you're saying concerning how the Saarabes accept their place in the world despite being in chains and under the constant threat of death, but I don't want to take this in that direction. What I will say is just because a case has not been made to us blatantly that they would want to live life differently, that does not mean that it doesn't exist.
Arvaarad does not say that. The Arishok states that to assume so would be insulting to Saarebas
I will not insult Saarebas with the suggestion that making the right choice was difficult. I expect as much from every Qunari.
The Qunari pity, but honor the Saarebas at the same time, for the Saarebas striving while under constant threat from within is truly selfless, the highest virtue of the Qun.
We have limited experience with them in game, and as you said the only named Saarabes we've encountered chose to kill himself rather than leave the Qun. That being said, If everything was conditioned happiness and acceptance of their lot in life with the Qunari, Tal-Vashoth wouldn't exist. I'm looking forward to when we get a better perspective of a life within the Qunari, but overall not all that much has been presented to us from the Qunari point of view as of yet. Save for a few interesting conversations (A little bit from Sten, Tallis, and the Arishok) not much of a case study can be made. If DAI doesn't go more in depth concerning a Qunari's perspective (which I imagine it will considering you can choose to be one, and also Iron Bull), than hopefully a future novel will.
I could make real world examples in regards to what you're saying concerning how the Saarabes accept their place in the world despite being in chains and under the constant threat of death, but I don't want to take this in that direction. What I will say is just because a case has not been made to us blatantly that they would want to live life differently, that does not mean that it doesn't exist.
But how can we say a life sucks if they themself say it doesn't suck. that's all I'm saying.
Casteless have it bad, but aren't they pretty much free to leave Orzammar and go top side where no one cares?
Apparently the castes have managed to convince the casteless (and themselves) that you might actually fall into the sky if you go to the surface.
Saarebas, casteless, mages and alienage elves. In that order.
But how can we say a life sucks if they themself say it doesn't suck. that's all I'm saying.
Tal-Vashoth are living proof that many of them have said just that.
The Qunari pity, but honor the Saarebas at the same time, for the Saarebas striving while under constant threat from within is truly selfless, the highest virtue of the Qun.
Yes, this is from an excerpt found in WoT, which happens to be the source of this "Qunai honor the Saarebas" nonsense.
It is an inaccurate interpretation of the Qun as written by a human convert (or descendant of converts). Said writer is a "Seer", no less, a status that certainly does not jive with the original Qun.
I'll believe the firsthand statement of the Arishok himself over that.
In addition: "Struggle is an illusion. The tide rises, the tide falls, but the sea is changeless. There is nothing to struggle against. Victory is in the Qun."
from the Qunari Prayers for the Dead.
Tal-Vashoth are living proof that many of them have said just that.
Yes but many more have differing opinions. If someone tells me "hey i like being beaten up" and even though many others don't like being beaten up It base soley on opinion, so to him it doesn't suck but to us it does.
So again how can we state life sucks for him if he doesn't want to change or accepts it.
Again we believe Saarebas life sucks because of our feelings on our reality not because we have heard first hand that their lives suck
Templars will wish they had it as good as the casteless by the time my Elven mage inquisitor is done.
Mage hating shem will be put in the place - 6 feet under.
Yes but many more have differing opinions. If someone tells me "hey i like being beaten up" and even though many others don't like being beaten up It base soley on opinion, so to him it doesn't suck but to us it does.
So again how can we state life sucks for him if he doesn't want to change or accepts it.
Again we believe Saarebas life sucks because of our feelings on our reality not because we have heard first hand that their lives suck
So basically, Orana was living the dream...at least until Hadriana started killing everybody.
So basically, Orana was living the dream...at least until Hadriana started killing everybody.
I never said it was a dream. but did she say she didn't like life, that she didn't want to be Hawke's slave? yes you could say its her up bringing. same to any one with any opinion.
Would she ever say her life sucks? so how can we? thats what i've been stating about Saarebas. in her reality she doesn't hate it, she doesn't mind it, in fact she wants it.
same with the Saarebas. so to us we don't want to grow up like that since our mind set is different, but same with their mind set, its different so they want it. Morales and opinions are based on Up bringing and Experience.
LoL mages they live like kings when i last checked and they don't have to do anything to earn it mages have best life standarts in thedas save for royalty and some nobles.
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