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[Drasanil]

If you accepted the Qun, your role would change little - Saarebas to Hawke

 

Considering Hawke's role in life was to be an enabling forkwit, I fail to see how that statement actually means much of anything.

 

 

You are Basvaarad - Taarbas to Hawke

 

I never accused the Qunari of having good judgement 

[Markus]

Really, it depends on what the headcanon is for my Inquisitor...though I could only see a non-Mage vashoth as being even remotely interested, at least for my characters.  I know my first (canon) Inquisitor would rather die than join the Qun.

[The Ascendant]

If you accepted the Qun, your role would change little - Saarebas to Hawke

 

You are Basvaarad - Taarbas to Hawke

I thought Taarbas said we would be Ben-Hassrath. 'This weapon is you. Guard it, or lose all honor'. We unofficially became a Qunari soldier.

[Drasanil]

Sure, deflect with humor instead of admitting I have a point. I'm not romanticizing the Qun. PC's are some of the most capable people in Thedas. Why is it so hard to grasp that they would have positions of authority within the Qun? Bias?

 

Because by default, that assertion goes right out the window the moment your PC is a mage for one.

 

Apart for that, your PC would still need to be 'reeducated' and considering PCs are willful there's no guarantee it would go too well.

 

And finally your PC would have to give up a lot of perks and agree to everything about the Qun. Something which I doubt some of the most capable and powerful people in Thedas could or would actually stomach once it got down to the actual details. 

[animedreamer]

I honestly cannot figure out why anyone would want to convert to the Qun if you were born outside of it.

then you can't imagine being a Elf in Kirkwall or Denerim. 

[DV-01]

Betting you can make some difficult choices that align with Qunari goals but also benefit the Inquisition to a certain degree.

Joining the Qun? Do we visit Par Vollen;)? Perhaps if the context is available, the choice would have weight and meaning.

[Icy Magebane]

Because by default, that assertion goes right out the window the moment your PC is a mage for one.

 

Apart for that, your PC would still need to be 'reeducated' and considering PCs are willful there's no guarantee it would go too well.

 

And finally your PC would have to give up a lot of perks and agree to everything about the Qun. Something which I doubt some of the most capable and powerful people in Thedas could or would actually stomach once it got down to the actual details. 

Mages shouldn't even be brought up since it is clear that they would be a saarebas and nothing else... that's not a rule the Qunari will every make an exception on. (edit:  looks like I'm wrong about that... xD  Thanks Mary Kirby.)

 

If the PC is willingly submitting to the Qun, then there will be no conflicts during re-education.  The problem would arise if the prospective Qunari is looking at it with rose colored glasses and thinks it's cool to rebel against their noble daddies.  That Inquisitor would obviously not be suited to the Qun, but that's their fault for trying to join in the first place.

 

Again... when someone volunteers to join the Qun, they should know that they are giving up their old life.  It's not unreasonable that a PC could wish for this... like I said, if the PC isn't fully committed, then it's their own fault when they wind up as a qamek zombie.  A fully committed PC, however, is powerful enough that there is little doubt the Qunari would give them a military role rather than wasting their potential as a farmer...

 

Mary Kirby has said that there are Mages that serve as Ben-Hassrath, though extremely rare. What's to say that Mage PC isn't one of those chosen few.

Whoa... wtf... why is that allowed???  Man, Bioware just loves to contradict themselves... so much for mages never being able to control themselves...

[riverbanks]

Badass implies badass role. Trust me, I know as much as there is to know about Qunari lore.

 

You may know of qunari lore, but you do accept the qun. You are proud and full of delusions about your purpose in the world, and your pride wishes to bend the wisdom of the qun to fulfill your hunger for power. Converting to the qun means letting go of your pride and accepting that the qun knows your role in the world better than you may think you do. You are not ready.

 

Look at this:

 

Being in the Qun is an honor. And I will gladly submit to it.

 

See. This one gets it.
 

[RobRam10]

 

Whoa... wtf... why is that allowed???  Man, Bioware just loves to contradict themselves... so much for mages never being able to control themselves...

Don't you worry when they say its rare we're talking about Elven Templar and seeing a Dwarf Female in DA2 rare.

[Icy Magebane]

Don't you worry when they say its rare we're talking about Elven Templar and seeing a Dwarf Female in DA2 rare.

It just weakens the Qunari philosophy IMO... I completely disagree with their opinion on mages, but I liked them better when they were completely rigid and unwilling to compromise.

[The Baconer]

Mages shouldn't even be brought up since it is clear that they would be a saarebas and nothing else... that's not a rule the Qunari will every make an exception on. (edit:  looks like I'm wrong about that... xD  Thanks Mary Kirby.)

 

It's clear that you'd be dead. The Inquisitor is an un-collared bas saarebas, regardless of any other exceptions that might occur in their society.

 

Of course, it is increasingly difficult to find consistency in the logic of the Qun... like trying to nail the sea to a wall.

[Drasanil]

Mages shouldn't even be brought up since it is clear that they would be a saarebas and nothing else... that's not a rule the Qunari will every make an exception on. (edit:  looks like I'm wrong about that... xD  Thanks Mary Kirby.)

 

Whoa... wtf... why is that allowed???  Man, Bioware just loves to contradict themselves... so much for mages never being able to control themselves...

 

Seconded 

 

 

If the PC is willingly submitting to the Qun, then there will be no conflicts during re-education.  The problem would arise if the prospective Qunari is looking at it with rose colored glasses and thinks it's cool to rebel against their noble daddies.  That Inquisitor would obviously not be suited to the Qun, but that's their fault for trying to join in the first place.

 

Again... when someone volunteers to join the Qun, they should know that they are giving up their old life.  It's not unreasonable that a PC could wish for this... like I said, if the PC isn't fully committed, then it's their own fault when they wind up as a qamek zombie.  A fully committed PC, however, is powerful enough that there is little doubt the Qunari would give them a military role rather than wasting their potential as a farmer...

 

Yeah problem is, just about everyone who wants to have a PC join the Qun seems to be looking at it from rose tinted glasses. The same kind of game logic where blood-mage PCs can run around free.... because reasons. So yeah, I don't take declarations of fidelity to the Qun very seriously, at best we'd probably end up with another Tallis who is horrible at being Qunari but still gets a pass.

[Drasanil]

Of course, it is increasingly difficult to find consistency in the logic of the Qun... like trying to nail the sea to a wall.

 

Ugh this. Bioware is trying to humanize the Qun, which is fundementally undermining the entire premise of the Qun in the first place.

[Icy Magebane]

It's clear that you'd be dead. The Inquisitor is an un-collared bas saarebas, regardless of any other exceptions that might occur in their society.

 

Of course, it is increasingly difficult to find consistency in the logic of the Qun... like trying to nail the sea to a wall.

The point is that mage PCs should not enter into the conversation when we're discussing PCs that might wish to join the Qun.  Unless the player is RPing an extreme masochist, there is no reason to even consider this as an option... well, unless the Qunari decide to make an exception, I guess.... :/

[Br3admax]

They aren't going to let the PC join the Qun either way. This entire topic is pointless. 

[Icy Magebane]

Yeah problem is, just about everyone who wants to have a PC join the Qun seems to be looking at it from rose tinted glasses. The same kind of game logic where blood-mage PCs can run around free.... because reasons. So yeah, I don't take declarations of fidelity to the Qun very seriously, at best we'd probably end up with another Tallis who is horrible at being Qunari but still gets a pass.

I doubt anything like this will ever be allowed, but if it was, I would expect the PC to simply take orders from a high-ranking Qunari handler before going on any missions... the dialogue options would also change to different variations of the same thing, giving the player only one option to complete any task but allowing them to phrase their responses differently.  Basically, this would have to be a completely linear experience from the moment they are released from "education camp" until they return to Thedas...

 

Now, that doesn't mean that the PC's abilities would be squandered on menial tasks, it's just that they would no longer have any freedom.  Nearly every aspect that makes Bioware games unique would be gone, but I suppose it could be an interesting game running parallel to the normal plot of a future title.  IMO this would be the only way to faithfully represent conversion to the Qun in a DA game.

[Geth Supremacy]

I think the amount of hate for the Qun is hilarious.  It makes me like it even more.  If someone likes to play mage then ok, I can understand where they are coming from.  If thats not the case then they don't like it because they are exactly what the Qun weeds out.  Pitiful and weak.

[Geth Supremacy]

I doubt anything like this will ever be allowed, but if it was, I would expect the PC to simply take orders from a high-ranking Qunari handler before going on any missions... the dialogue options would also change to different variations of the same thing, giving the player only one option to complete any task but allowing them to phrase their responses differently.  Basically, this would have to be a completely linear experience from the moment they are released from "education camp" until they return to Thedas...

 

Now, that doesn't mean that the PC's abilities would be squandered on menial tasks, it's just that they would no longer have any freedom.  Nearly every aspect that makes Bioware games unique would be gone, but I suppose it could be an interesting game running parallel to the normal plot of a future title.  IMO this would be the only way to faithfully represent conversion to the Qun in a DA game.

Or you can just be asked..."What is the Fade" "What is the Inquisition" "What is Flemeth really"  Admittedly this wouldn't appeal to me because I want to be part of the Qun around Qunari.  If they wanted to go that route the PC could be like Sten from DAO though.

[The Baconer]

I think the amount of hate for the Qun is hilarious.  It makes me like it even more.  If someone likes to play mage then ok, I can understand where they are coming from.  If thats not the case then they don't like it because they are exactly what the Qun weeds out.  Pitiful and weak.

 

That's not what the Arishok said to my backhand.

[In Exile]

Only as a Mage. Then you play a mini game where you sow your own mouth shut.