So Sten lied to the Ben-Hassrath? It doesn't seem like him to hide his mistakes from the Qun. Plus, he doesn't seem to react like talking to foreign mages is something he'd need to watch out for. He himself initiates conversation with them sometimes.
You really think they'd make him their Arishok after saying all that? Really?
You really think they'd make him their Arishok after saying all that? Really?
Why would specifically be gunning for Arishok? He himself was still overcoming shame from his actions. Whatever else he was, Sten was always loyal to the Qun and it's ideals. If talking to uncollared mages was punishable by death, he probably wouldn't have talked to them.
Why would specifically be gunning for Arishok? He himself was still overcoming shame from his actions. Whatever else he was, Sten was always loyal to the Qun and it's ideals. If talking to uncollared mages was punishable by death, he probably wouldn't have talked to them.
Of course, it is increasingly difficult to find consistency in the logic of the Qun... like trying to nail the sea to a wall.
Why would specifically be gunning for Arishok? He himself was still overcoming shame from his actions. Whatever else he was, Sten was always loyal to the Qun and it's ideals. If talking to uncollared mages was punishable by death, he probably wouldn't have talked to them.
He doesn't have to want to be Arishok. He still is. So unless Sten is a special little snowflake, which is very possible, he should by all accounts be qameked and put to work. And that's the best case scenario.
He doesn't have to want to be Arishok. He still is. So unless Sten is a special little snowflake, which is very possible, he should by all accounts be qameked and but to work. And that's the best case scenario.
I don't know exactly what happened in the comics to lead up to Sten becoming Arishok, but I get the feeling it was mostly fan service. I mean, it's kind of a big coincidence that he just so happens to be the most qualified Qunari in all of Par Vollen, even though he went loco and butchered a bunch of civilians, and never would have come to terms with that had it not been for the Warden. Bioware loves bringing back old characters to fill important roles with little or no justification, so this really isn't a surprise. It's probably canon too, regardless of what happened to the DA2 Arishok and regardless of whether or not Sten ever traveled with the Warden in DA:O.
He doesn't have to want to be Arishok. He still is. So unless Sten is a special little snowflake, which is very possible, he should by all accounts be qameked and but to work. And that's the best case scenario.
What? Qamek is only for people who refuse to accept the Qun at all. My point is that He's unlikely to hide what he did, and he wasn't executed for it. So it was probably an overreaction by Arvaraad.
I don't know exactly what happened in the comics to lead up to Sten becoming Arishok, but I get the feeling it was mostly fan service. I mean, it's kind of a big coincidence that he just so happens to be the most qualified Qunari in all of Par Vollen, even though he went loco and butchered a bunch of civilians, and never would have come to terms with that had it not been for the Warden. Bioware loves bringing back old characters to fill important roles with little or no justification, so this really isn't a surprise. It's probably canon too, regardless of what happened to the DA2 Arishok and regardless of whether or not Sten ever traveled with the Warden in DA:O.
Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. I was never really happy with the idea of him becoming the Arishok. I didn't even think a Sten was all that high of a rank or close to the Arishok. Perhaps the Tamassrans decided that one who had spent a lot of time with bas and understood them better than mots was the best choice for their future plans.
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Sten is two ranks under Arishok. If the comics take place between 9:37-9:40+ that's plenty of time for Sten to make the jump from Karasten to Arishok.
What? Qamek is only for people who refuse to accept the Qun at all.
Or so they tell you...
My point is that He's unlikely to hide what he did, and he wasn't executed for it. So it was probably an overreaction by Arvaraad.
I'm more inclined to think he just didn't tell them. No other logical explanation. Because literally every qunari there went along with it, and not a single one questioned it.
Or so they tell you...
There's really no point in bringing headcanon into this.
I'm more inclined to think he just didn't tell them. No other logical explanation. Because literally every qunari there went along with it, and not a single one questioned it.
It's not the call of every single Qunari. It's only the call of the ones who made the choice. Everyone else has their own role in the Qun to concern themselves with.
Sten is two ranks under Arishok. If the comics take place between 9:37-9:40+ that's plenty of time for Sten to make the jump from Karasten to Arishok.
Perhaps, but the precedent is hard to deny... Bioware has placed multiple party members in positions of authority after their adventures with the PC, not just here, but in Mass Effect as well. I know that we travel with a lot of talented individuals, but after a while it stops being a coincidence...
Perhaps, but the precedent is hard to deny... Bioware has placed multiple party members in positions of authority after their adventures with the PC, not just here, but in Mass Effect as well. I know that we travel with a lot of talented individuals, but after a while it stops being a coincidence...
Of course it is. It is 100% for the player. Give some credit you can effect 1 or 2 though. Such as Tali being exiled or becoming an Admiral, but yes that is why.
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Perhaps, but the precedent is hard to deny... Bioware has placed multiple party members in positions of authority after their adventures with the PC, not just here, but in Mass Effect as well. I know that we travel with a lot of talented individuals, but after a while it stops being a coincidence...
Well, the Warden was the first Dragon Age PC. So I let the Arishok, LHoD Nightingale, Imperial Adviser Shapeshifter Extraordinaire, Antivan Jason Bourne, King of Ferelden, ect slide. Now if Hawke's or the Inquisitor's companions all take 5 levels up in badass then I'll call it a problem.
There's really no point in bringing headcanon into this.
Lulz, headcanon and speculation on corruption aren't the same thing. Especially when it doesn't actually happen. Qunari are still people like everyone else, regardless of the flowery tales Sten gives you about them.
It's not the call of every single Qunari. It's only the call of the ones who made the choice. Everyone else has their own role in the Qun to concern themselves with.
Someone still had to make him leader. He would know the Qun and what it demanded. I like how this one Qunari is the one that jumps out of line, but no other one does, and it's completely okay to break the Qun as long as you're sorry for it.
Can be sympathetic, but you can't completely join I'm guessing.
As for joining or at least practicing, no thanks. Holy Warrior ftw.
Lulz, headcanon and speculation on corruption aren't the same thing. Especially when it doesn't actually happen. Qunari are still people like everyone else, regardless of the flowery tales Sten gives you about them.
It's baseless speculation. Sten's not the only one who mentions it. Fenris and the escaped Tevinter prisoner from one of the codex entries mention that Qamek is reserved only for those that refuse to submit. And you said "he should by all accounts be qameked" as if it doesn't make sense that Bioware's story doesn't conform to your speculation. It would be ridiculously wasteful to use it on anyone else. So no, there are no accounts that suggest they would use qamek on him when he returned.
Someone still had to make him leader. He would know the Qun and what it demanded. I like how this one Qunari is the one that jumps out of line, but no other one does, and it's completely okay to break the Qun as long as you're sorry for it.
I read this several times, and I'm still not sure exactly what you are trying to say.
It's baseless speculation.
Not really. Unless the Qun helps overcome the nature of all people, which it doesn't, someone somewhere's going to abuse it. Though as I said, the most likely case is a dead Sten and everyone moving on.
Sten's not the only one who mentions it. Fenris and the escaped Tevinter prisoner from one of the codex entries mention that Qamek is reserved only for those that refuse to submit. And you said "he should by all accounts be qameked" as if it doesn't make sense that Bioware's story doesn't conform to your speculation. It would be ridiculously wasteful to use it on anyone else. So no, there are no accounts that suggest they would use qamek on him when he returned.
I don't care about what everyone outside of the Qun says, without a first hand account, I'm going to assume some people use it for other reasons besides what it's supposed to be used for. Does that make it likely? No. Does that mean it never happens? No.
I read this several times, and I'm still not sure exactly what you are trying to say.
Your entire argument is based off the fact that Sten is allowed to return, completely disregarding that Sten could have just as easily hid all the facts of his journey. Instead, you act as if this one singular Qunari is in the wrong, when all other sources point to him being right.
Not really. Unless the Qun helps overcome the nature of all people, which it doesn't, someone somewhere's going to abuse it. Though as I said, the most likely case is a dead Sten and everyone moving on.
I don't care about what everyone outside of the Qun says, without a first hand account, I'm going to assume some people use it for other reasons besides what it's supposed to be used for. Does that make it likely? No. Does that mean it never happens? No.
Your entire argument is based off the fact that Sten is allowed to return, completely disregarding that Sten could have just as easily hid all the facts of his journey. Instead, you act as if this one singular Qunari is in the wrong, when all other sources point to him being right.
It would be out of character for Sten to hide it. If your argument is basically that Sten must have been lobotomized because criminals exist and therefore they should have used qamek on him, then there is no reason to think that it applies here anymore than anywhere else. Less in fact. Qunari seem to display extra outrage at the premise of violating their principles than the rest of Thedas. In the end, it's the reason the Arishok attacked Kirkwall.
Except it's not all sources that point to him being right. It's the opposite in fact. Every single other Qunari has not freaked out talking to mages.
Also didn't you say you don't accept the "flowery tales from from Qunari like Sten either? So, what? Accounts from inside the Qun are biased and accounts from outside the Qun are inaccurate?
I think the devs said that Sten would have been given a lengthy debriefing from the Ben-Hassrath when he returned home. And his epilogue says he told them about the Warden.
Except it's not all sources that point to him being right. It's the opposite in fact. Every single other Qunari has not freaked out talking to mages.
Sten and Tallis are the only Qunari with which one's status as a mage can be brought to their attention through conversation, without them being killed in a following conflict.
If Sten was meant to enter into these lands to fufill his task, could he not have had special permission to break internal sociopolitical boundaries of the qun for it's greater survival? Iron Bull and even Tallis from what we know have a .. somewhat flexible relationship with it's structure and way of life.
If Sten was given meant to enter into these lands to fufill his task, could he not have had special permission to break internal sociopolitical boundaries of the qun for it's greater survival? Iron Bull and even Tallis from what we know have a .. somewhat flexible relationship with it's structure and way of life.
If he doesn't resubmit I will be putting Iron Bull down. Maybe not early game to give him a chance, but hes gonna have to go if he doesn't want to live for the Qun and wants to turn to selfishness.
I will be doing him a favor...him and his stupid looking horns.
I think it's an interesting idea, especially if you are an Adaar Inquisitor. Hopefully Iron Bull can educate us before we make this decision. Remember that the Chantry doesn't control the Inquisition so we can believe in whatever we want. My first playthrough is a human mage who believes in the Maker but is a reformer, more interested in the Imperial Chantry. My second walkthrough will be a Qunari warrior who follows the Qun, if possible, and is dismissive of the Chantry.
The Inquisition is separate from the Chantry, but most of it's members served the Chantry once, and are Andrastians. You don't have mind control powers over them and they aren't your Overlord Minions. If you commit yourself to a hostile religion that wants to force them to abandon their families and way of life, and does not take no for an answer, you aren't going to get to make a hard Persuade dialog option to make it all better. The Qun is the opposite of "live and let live"
If he doesn't resubmit I will be putting Iron Bull down. Maybe not early game to give him a chance, but hes gonna have to go if he doesn't want to live for the Qun and wants to turn to selfishness.
I will be doing him a favor...him and his stupid looking horns.
That's gonna be hysterical if it turns out there's no option to join the Qun in game (Which I'm betting hard will be the case).
"I'm killing you, Iron Bull, for... for... REASONS!!"
Dragon Age is not and has never been Elder Scrolls. You don't get infinite options.
You really think they'd make him their Arishok after saying all that? Really?
Them making him Arishok at all is a bit of a headscratcher. I mean, sure, he killed a bunch of darkspawn which is great for him, but he did absolutely nothing else that's leadership worthy. He was just part of the muscle of the group.
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