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[Cyonan]

Actually he despised the crew on the ships for being cowards by *not* wearing armor for fear of drowning. He was impressed by the one that did. The opponent he killed with his axe after stoping his blade with his hands.

 

P.S. I am in favor of sexy armor...though it seems like the time of the famed chainmail bikini are close to an end. The trend certainly points to more and more games becoming more PC in that regard.

 

There is still plenty of games out there that have skimpy armour.

 

It's just no longer a case of "most women wear platekinis while men are iron mountains".

[Hadeedak]

Actually he despised the crew on the ships for being cowards by *not* wearing armor for fear of drowning. He was impressed by the one that did. The opponent he killed with his axe after stoping his blade with his hands.

 

P.S. I am in favor of sexy armor...though it seems like the time of the famed chainmail bikini are close to an end. The trend certainly points to more and more games becoming more PC in that regard.

 

I'm not entirely against skimpy armor -- there's certainly cultural, practical (money and availability of materials, time) and physical reasons why heavy armor would be a bad idea in a setting.

 

My problem is that the chainmail bikini of infamy (male or female version) is spectacularly, hideously, monumentally impractical.

 

It's useless as armor, while generally being almost as complicated to make and fit as actual armor. It isn't generally worn with padding, so it's literally going to injure the wearer. It's just. So. Dumb. It hurts my brain. It's just a huge waste and WHY. WHY WHY WHY. Ow.

 

I don't mind Conan in his silly leather loincloth, or the assorted sorceresses in the skimpy outfits, but Red Sonja's general outfit cheeses me off.

[Heimdall]

Actually he despised the crew on the ships for being cowards by *not* wearing armor for fear of drowning. He was impressed by the one that did. The opponent he killed with his axe after stoping his blade with his hands.

 

P.S. I am in favor of sexy armor...though it seems like the time of the famed chainmail bikini are close to an end. The trend certainly points to more and more games becoming more PC in that regard.

Huh, I guess I completely misremembered that scene..

 

Sexy "armor" like that is still around, its just that the number of games that give female characters practical armor has been slowly increasing.  Most people on this thread don't have a problem with revealing attire on principle, they just think NPCs shouldn't wear it in battle unless it fits the character (Isabela) and PCs should probably wear it only if they're willing to cope with how much armor rating it,or rather doesn't, provide.

[Vanth]

People keep harping on about chainmail bikinis, but chainmail bikinis are not the only sexy or revealing armors. Translating traditional greek warrior type armors into female versions would be pretty revealing and practical. There are plenty of warrior cultures that wore revealing armor and did quite well.

[Vanth]

What? move more slowly in heavy clothing? what kind of clothing are you wearing? This is a pretty hilarious post tbh.

anyway ill just leave this here

 

I am not sure what this was trying to prove. The guys in the video moved very slowly. I think you are supporting my point. Go away and compare this with the DA:I videos of fights in heavy armour and you will see a huge difference. If it is realism you want, your heavy armor PC should be moving a lot slower than they move right now.

[BioWareM0d13]

People keep harping on about chainmail bikinis, but chainmail bikinis are not the only sexy or revealing armors. Translating traditional greek warrior type armors into female versions would be pretty revealing and practical. There are plenty of warrior cultures that wore revealing armor and did quite well.

 

What did you have in mind? Are there are any that you think might make a good basis for armor or clothing sets for the protagonist?

[Vanth]

What did you have in mind? Are there are any that you think might make a good basis for armor or clothing sets for the protagonist?

 

Why not? Certainly the lighter armors in DA:O with skits and bare legs look a little bit greek to me. Why couldn't you have that sort of armor with a breastplate and greaves?

[Shadow Fox]

I am not sure what this was trying to prove. The guys in the video moved very slowly. I think you are supporting my point. Go away and compare this with the DA:I videos of fights in heavy armour and you will see a huge difference. If it is realism you want, your heavy armor PC should be moving a lot slower than they move right now.

 

[Fidite Nemini]

I am not sure what this was trying to prove. The guys in the video moved very slowly. I think you are supporting my point. Go away and compare this with the DA:I videos of fights in heavy armour and you will see a huge difference. If it is realism you want, your heavy armor PC should be moving a lot slower than they move right now.

 

Fun fact: a full set of medieval heavy plate weights less than the in-field equipment a modern soldier has to walk around with (and the weight is better spread on top of that). How slow is a modern soldier?

 

 

 

People in plate armor being sluggish juggernauts moving in slowmotion is a Hollywood invention with absolutely no basis.

[Vanth]

 

 

Really? Do you think that compares in any way with the DA:I videos we have seen? You are supposed to be fighting dragons with this armor on, with tumbles and jumps to dodge those big claws...

[Vanth]

Fun fact: a full set of medieval heavy plate weights less than the in-field equipment a modern soldier has to walk around with (and the weight is better spread on top of that). How slow is a modern soldier?

 

Watch the video E-Ro linked. How long do you think it would take a modern soldier to scale that ladder?

[RevilFox]

Watch the video E-Ro linked. How long do you think it would take a modern soldier to scale that ladder?

About the same amount of time, considering it's a unsecured ladder with nobody making sure it doesn't topple over when the guy gets to the top?

[Shadow Fox]

Fun fact: a full set of medieval heavy plate weights less than the in-field equipment a modern soldier has to walk around with (and the weight is better spread on top of that). How slow is a modern soldier?

 

 

 

People in plate armor being sluggish juggernauts moving in slowmotion is a Hollywood invention with absolutely no basis.

In his *slight* defense real plate wasn't as large as fantasy plate.

 

Really? Do you think that compares in any way with the DA:I videos we have seen? You are supposed to be fighting dragons with this armor on, with tumbles and jumps to dodge those big claws...

[GrinningRogue]

I still think it's because Par Vollen is mostly rainforest, so that accounts for not wanting to melt in heavy armour. Thus the habit/penchant of wearing less, even in cooler climates.

Right. I always forget Qunari came from the tropics.

[Remmirath]

People keep harping on about chainmail bikinis, but chainmail bikinis are not the only sexy or revealing armors. Translating traditional greek warrior type armors into female versions would be pretty revealing and practical. There are plenty of warrior cultures that wore revealing armor and did quite well.

I wouldn't have a problem with armour like that (assuming I interpret you correctly), if it were appearing in a culture it made sense to have come out of and looked the same for both male and female characters. I didn't have a problem with some of the rogue armours in DA:O having bare legs and arms (though I prefer the fuller ones); I did have a problem with the female versions having much lower necklines. More mixed armour would be good, and I wouldn't mind essentially that plus a breastplate, or a chain shirt and breastplate.
 

I am not sure what this was trying to prove. The guys in the video moved very slowly. I think you are supporting my point. Go away and compare this with the DA:I videos of fights in heavy armour and you will see a huge difference. If it is realism you want, your heavy armor PC should be moving a lot slower than they move right now.

No, they're really not. Obviously the second time through each round there is slowed down, but even before that, a few things to keep in mind: first, film tends to slow things down (fight scenes often need to be sped up for film, and I don't believe that was done here, to look at it); second, that characters in DA II all move faster than anybody can actually move; third, that they're clearly going through a set of specific demonstrations, and speed up when they get to the technique involved (the one starting at 3:05 is a good example of that, where the drawing of the dagger is full speed, but the rest doesn't appear to be).
 

Really? Do you think that compares in any way with the DA:I videos we have seen? You are supposed to be fighting dragons with this armor on, with tumbles and jumps to dodge those big claws...

DA:I's animations seem to be taking a page out of DA II's book thus far, and are all faster than anyone actually moves. I assure you, the video that Shadow Fox posted is going full speed, and you're probably not going to find somebody looking faster no matter what they're wearing. Look at how fast the sword is moving, not the legs (that's the important part), and keep in mind again that film slows things down a bit and people typically don't compensate for it unless they're actually shooting combat sequences for a film.

[PhroXenGold]

People keep harping on about chainmail bikinis, but chainmail bikinis are not the only sexy or revealing armors. Translating traditional greek warrior type armors into female versions would be pretty revealing and practical. There are plenty of warrior cultures that wore revealing armor and did quite well.

 

The problem with tradiational greek armour (as I've pointed out in this thread before) is that the relative lightness of the armour was compensated by the very large hoplon shields they carried, and the tight formation in which they fought. If you've got a combination of your shield, and the shields of the two men next to you, covering your entire body from chin to knee, then you don't need to wear heavy armour on your torso (your head and lower legs are still unprotected, hence the heavy greaves and helmets - and as a side note, the obstruction of vision resulting from the latter was much less important in a phalanx). Even then, when Greeks could get heavier armour, they did wear it, but a lack of resources, technology and money lead to the use of lighter armour compensated by the large shields (the latter Macedonian troops also wore relatviely light armour, and instead of large shields, compensated with huge pikes that meant no-one could get close enough to hit them...).

 

For the vast majority of RPGs you're not fighting in a phalanx formation, and a lot of people won't be carrying shields. Without those two things, the hellenic style armour, while not useless, is significantly less practical than even a good suit of mail, let alone plate.

 

That said, I would have no probelm if the entire setting occurs at classical hellenic levels of technology and such armour is the norm. Trying to put hellenic inspired amour into a setting like DA on the other hand, is not consistent, as there is really no reason to use it given the wide availablitiy of much more effective armour and the penchant for more individualistic fighting.

[Inquisitor Julianos]

*hand up* Raise of Hands if anyone has ever worn a full suit of steel chainmail, let alone platemail?

 

Ok the S**T is heavy carry a 30-40lb child on your back all day you'll be about there, but it does not hamper speed when you need to. if you dont have to worry about NOT hurting the guy accross from you, you can move pretty damn fast, you'll be tired, but you can move quickly. if your wearing fullplate your not going to be doing anything flashy, its going to be alot of parries, and basic swings, no reverse backstab finishers. the movement in Dragon Age Inquisition and most fantasy games is just that. Fantasy, its to make the game interesting and not boreing as F**k.

 

"Armor is to keep your insides from being on your Outsides" a buddy of mine said that. the Leather armor you see in DA:O and DA2, about as functional and skimpy as practical armor SHOULD be. theres no backflips and soccer slides in full plate or chainmail its just not possible in actuality, it will slow you down, but its ment to take a hit, and good hits, cuz theres a suit of Padded Cloth, Sometimes leather, Chain links, and Metal Plates all over you, when people attack you, your armor wont break, but you will. you wont get cut exactly, but you will break.

 

Leather armor is to make sure, that if someone DOES touch you, you have a sleightly better chance of not being cut, than if you where in a T-shirt, and jeans, not gonna help you as well as heavy armor, but you can atleast do Dance the Remigold.

[xkg]

People keep harping on about chainmail bikinis, but chainmail bikinis are not the only sexy or revealing armors. Translating traditional greek warrior type armors into female versions would be pretty revealing and practical. There are plenty of warrior cultures that wore revealing armor and did quite well.

 

You need to clarify which one. The version we can see in various movies or the real Greek Armor ?

 

[PhroXenGold]

You need to clarify which one. The version we can see in various movies or the real Greek Armor ?

 

 

To be fair, while indeed 300 is not in any way historically accurate, having them fight in that kind of outfit wasn't utterly ridiculous, particularly compared to "fanservice armour" usually worn by women. In Greek stories and mythology (i.e. their ideal of a warrior), men did often fight in even less than that, and, as I pointed out in my previous post, with the hoplon, solid helmets and greaves, when in a phalanx formation, they were actually reasonably well protected. You can actually see this at times in the film - when they are in formation, there's not a lot of exposed skin from the front, only a solid wall of bronze.

 

Not by any means saying that that "armour" design was anything other than an excuse to show off buff men in leather speedos, but that outfit isn't quite as bad as it is often presented, and is certainly more sensible, given the resources/technology and fighting style used in the classical hellenic period, than most skimpy plate or chainmail bikinis in are in the typical high-medieval inspired fanatsy settings.

[puppyofwar]

WOOO~100 pages

80 out of the 100 are bickering with a certain someone but still!

 

completely off topic, but I remembered Bernard Hill said his Rohirrim costume weight 25kg total ( with brass plates and chain-mail made out of PVC pipe-rings) and he had trouble getting up from chairs at first, not to mention the shoulders made it hard to fit in those portable toilets 

[xkg]

compared to "fanservice armour" usually worn by women.

 

ehm, ehm, you mean something like this boobs armor ?

 

Spoiler

Greek Warriors by MitchFoust http://mitchfoust.de...riors-176156947

 

The only Greek thing in that armor is the helmet.

[Muspade]

battle thongs are always hilarious.

[PhroXenGold]

ehm, ehm, you mean something like this boobs armor ?

 

Spoiler

Greek Warriors by MitchFoust http://mitchfoust.de...riors-176156947

 

Yeah, that kinda thing...

 

Though, even then, if she put on her helmet, got a proper hoplon, and fought alongside a couple of hundred other warriors with the same gear, she wouldn't be that bad off for the same reasons as the 300. On the other hand, if she tried to fight the kind of battles you see in RPGs, she's screwed.

[puppyofwar]

battle thongs are always hilarious.

I thinks those just looks painful.

Kinda simialr to the sympathy pains men have whenever a groin attack happens.

[Ieldra]

Actually he despised the crew on the ships for being cowards by *not* wearing armor for fear of drowning. He was impressed by the one that did. The opponent he killed with his axe after stoping his blade with his hands.

 

P.S. I am in favor of sexy armor...though it seems like the time of the famed chainmail bikini are close to an end. The trend certainly points to more and more games becoming more PC in that regard.

IMO it's more that common sense prevails. I'm fine with fantasy heroes going about in loincloths and fur bikinis if the setting is like that, but as I said before - "armor" and "revealing" is a contradiction in terms.