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[Shadow Fox]

Gilgamesh armour better.

He lost to her Noble Phantasm though.

[SamanthaJ]

You seriously think what looks good is subjective? I don't even have words for this kind of logic.

 

From my perspective, assertions to the contrary are trolling behavior to me, but I guess that is a failure to be open minded on your part.

If this isn't the most asinine thing I've ever heard. Look at the differing opinions on Iron Bull/Cassandra/etc. if you don't believe what looks good is subjective. Maybe you need a reminder of what subjective even means.

 

sub·jec·tive

səbˈjektiv/

adjective

 

1. 1.

   based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.

   "his views are highly subjective"

   synonyms: personal, individual, emotional, instinctive, intuitive

   "a subjective analysis"

    

[Giantdeathrobot]

The first page gave the laundry list of tepid response which was, well, lets give a choice to everyone, but the reality is that resources and such are constrained. Lets say you can make 3, you make 1 hot, one plain, what's the third one? I'd go with hot, in that scenario.

 

Plus, well, it kind of is puritan at least to a degree. The puritans emphasized extreme modesty and simplicity in dress and manner if I'm correctly remembering 4th grade. The insistence upon tame and less provocative outfits seems pretty identical to that kind of thinking.

 

Nerds and gamers are frequently very conservative, religious even, though they tend to pretend otherwise.

 

You do realize sweeping generalisations only detract from your point, you know, and don't reinforce it? No one says that they want less skimpy armor armor because they are afraid to see the icky bits. It's because armor is meant to protect you, not make your enemy get a boner, and many people, myself included, find that skimpy armor looks way more stupid than attractive anyway. The insistence is on having sensible outfits, not removing skimpier ones by the way.

 

You are certainly the most close-minded person in this thread so far.

[daveliam]

You seriously think what looks good is subjective? I don't even have words for this kind of logic.

 

From my perspective, assertions to the contrary are trolling behavior to me, but I guess that is a failure to be open minded on your part.

 

What does this even mean?  You stated "nope" (that's all) in response to a statement about the subjectivity of armor aesthetics.  Isn't that the contrary behavior that you are talking about?

[Seraphim24]

What does this even mean?

 

You seriously think what looks good is subjective?

No one says that they want less skimpy armor armor because they are afraid to see the icky bits. It's because I am afraid to see icky bits.

 

Forgive me for not taking you completely at face value, I just always try and correct the discrepancy between what people say they want and what actually want through their actions, and in this instance it means doing that.

[Shadow Fox]

Neither would falling while wearing plate crafted to mimic the female's form. 

http://www.tor.com/b...-would-kill-you

 

 

This says otherwise...

[PhroXenGold]

Gilgamesh armour better.

 

 

Sticking with the theme of the thread....

 

Prototype Gilgamesh armour better

 

 

[daveliam]

You seriously think what looks good is subjective?

 

 

Yes, I think that "what looks good" depends on the individual person. 

 

The more important question:  You don't think that what looks good is subjective?  You think that there is one "truth" about what looks good and that we all agree with it? 

[Seraphim24]

Yes, I think that "what looks good" depends on the individual person. 

 

The more important question:  You don't think that what looks good is subjective?  You think that there is one "truth" about what looks good and that we all agree with it? 

 

Pretty much yeah.

[Giantdeathrobot]

You seriously think what looks good is subjective?

 

Forgive me for not taking you completely at face value, I just always try and correct the discrepancy between what people say they want and what actually want through their actions, and in this instance it means doing that.

 

LOL. Forum psychology 101 is it? You know what people want better than them I suppose?

 

And if you honestly, really think what looks good is objective, you need a serious reality check. For instance, that ballgown you gush over? I find it ugly. This is called subjective.

 

I'm not just disagreeing with you here. I find what you say to be frankly stupid, so I'll just stop replying.

[Mihura]

In reality women are weaker both on average and in their maximum potential in feats of physical strength ... if we are just going to ignore that in our fantasy games (which I have no problem with) then making an exception for big breasted women seems petty.

 

Sure men are also more inclined to be criminals and emotional unstable on average, they should not be premited to handle weapons.

[Seraphim24]

 

Look at the differing opinions on Iron Bull/Cassandra/etc.

 

When you do finally finish 5th grade, you will learn around that time that sometimes people don't always mean exactly what they say. When's the culmination by the way? I'd like to attend.

 

I'm not just disagreeing with you here. I find what you say to be frankly stupid, so I'll just stop replying.

For instance, that ballgown you gush over? I find it ugly. This is called subjective.

 

What ball-gown? I don't even know what you are referring to, I just was answering the question which was to say yes hot is good, there's nothing wrong with hot armor to make the game more enjoyable for everyone.

[daveliam]

Pretty much yeah.

 

Okay, so I'll play along with this:

 

How do you explain why there are different styles of clothing, hairstyles, make-up styles, etc?  I used to think that my bleached blond mohawk and facial piercings looked good back when I was in my early twenties.  I don't think so anymore and, therefore, have changed my look.  How can you explain that?

[SamanthaJ]

Pretty much yeah.

You know, I like the female Dalish armor I got at the beginning of Origins. Someone else on this thread didn't. You know why? Because we have different tastes. I could never say this about anything with so much certainty, but what you appear to believe is wrong. 

[Cyonan]

The first page gave the laundry list of tepid response which was, well, lets give a choice to everyone, but the reality is that resources and such are constrained. Lets say you can make 3, you make 1 hot, one plain, what's the third one? I'd go with hot, in that scenario.

 

Plus, well, it kind of is puritan at least to a degree. The puritans emphasized extreme modesty and simplicity in dress and manner if I'm correctly remembering 4th grade. The insistence upon tame and less provocative outfits seems pretty identical to that kind of thinking.

 

Nerds and gamers are frequently very conservative, religious even, though they tend to pretend otherwise.

 

There are more than just puritians who don't want absolutely everything to be skimpy and sexy.

 

Trying to claim that everybody is one is just downright ridiculous, especially considering a lot of us don't actually want the armour to be tame and simplistic.

 

You should have learned that in grade 4 as well =P

[SamanthaJ]

When you do finally finish 5th grade, you will learn around that time that sometimes people don't always mean exactly what they say. When's the culmination by the way? I'd like to attend.

Wow.

[Seraphim24]

There are more than just puritians who don't want absolutely everything to be skimpy and sexy.

 

Trying to claim that everybody is one is just downright ridiculous, especially considering a lot of us don't actually want the armour to be tame and simplistic.

 

You should have learned that in grade 4 as well =P

 

Indeed, perhaps we should label them the neo-Puritans. They don't desire the same degree of modesty and chastity, but it is still (by some measure) in that direction in one capacity another.

[daveliam]

Wow.

 

Meh, he's a typical adolescent internet tough guy who finds the need to insult people and thinks that when people stop responding to him (mostly because his logic is so ridiculous that it's not even a worthwhile exercise to engage with him), that he has somehow "won".  I say, let him have his victory and think that he has convinced us all that "what looks good" is, in fact, an objective truth and that we all agree with him.

[Shadow Fox]

Welp this thread's kinda going to hell.

[Lady Nuggins]

No you are not wrong for wanting awesome armour, because you want lore-friendly realism where you get full protection from the polygons and textures. That's a valid want. But there are people, like the OP, who desire unreal armour, because they view armour as a numerical value and would prefer artistic licence. It's also a valid want. How would a company satisfy both audiences?

 

It's not as simple as dividing people into pro-realistic and pro-sexy. The actual two groups are:

 

1. People who only want all awesome armour.

2. People who want a choice between sexy and awesome armour.

 

The third group, people who only want sexy armour, does not exist. Not a single person in this thread has asked for that. Maybe they are all over on lover's lab or whatever.

 

The thing about group 2 is that it contains people who will only ever use awesome armour (and ignore the skimpy stuff), but they are not selfish enough to deprive the people who do want sexy armour.

 

I think you're missing a lot of nuance, here.  Most people who have said they don't want sexy armour have said they would be in favour of it being an option under certain circumstances--if it's not forced on the female character, if it's equal between the genders (not magically more covering on the male), and if some level of thought is put into whether it suits the setting and the tone of the game.  

 

And as someone else said, even if we choose not to use it, we'll still be forced to see NPCs walking around in it.  So if it's going to be done, I'd want it done right so I don't cringe every time I see a female NPC warrior stroll by in her battle bikini.

[Seraphim24]

Meh, he's a typical adolescent internet tough guy who finds the need to insult people and thinks that when people stop responding to him (mostly because his logic is so ridiculous that it's not even a worthwhile exercise to engage with him), that he has somehow "won".  I say, let him have his victory and think that he has convinced us all that "what looks good" is, in fact, an objective truth and that we all agree with him.

 

If you want to seriously engage this topic, we can, but I'm pretty sure it's not going to go well. I was well aware long before I ever made a single post here that there would be an almost infinite number of things I have an opinion about that people would find offensive. My main interest I guess was only probing to see how receptive people were before they had a meltdown.

 

Your projection about "internet toughguy" is noted in that respect.

 

Anyway everything from the topic itself, to it's popularity, to the commentary, attention, and from common sense and the massive amount of information I've experienced about people and their desires and the way they represents those desires indicates to me that sexy armor is on the whole, a good thing. Consequently, that is the opinion I give for this particular question.

[PinkysPain]

Sure men are also more inclined to be criminals and emotional unstable on average, they should not be premited to handle weapons.

 

That's why I like fantasy games ... where we generally have this idealized egalitarian representation of the sexes. Where we can just ditch all these physical and neurological reasons for gender roles and gender specific behaviour and say it's truly all cultural and be absolutely correct (well almost all, the women are still the only ones who can get pregnant of course).

 

As I said though, at that point it's petty to make an exception for big breasted women and say they can't be effective fighters ...

[daveliam]

If you want to seriously engage this topic, we can, but I'm pretty sure it's not going to go well. I was well aware long before I ever made a single post here that there would be an almost infinite number of things I have an opinion about that people would find offensive. My main interest I guess was only probing to see how receptive people were before they had a meltdown.

 

Your projection about "internet toughguy" is noted in that respect.

 

You have offered zero details about your opinion and have responded to multiple posts with either a single "nope" response or by simply copying the exact post that you are quoting and changing two words to make it the counter point.  You've also suggested in several posts that if people don't agree with you, then they have less than a 4th grade education.  If you want to seriously engage this topic, then perhaps you should offer some actual points to support your statement and stop insulting people.  I'm always open to discussion provided that the person with whom I'm conversing can do so without being dismissive, curt, and insulting.

[Cyonan]

Indeed, perhaps we should label them the neo-Puritans. They don't desire the same degree of modesty and chastity, but it is still (by some measure) in that direction in one capacity another.

 

I'd come up with something to this but I have all these puritan things to do. I'll need some fancy clothes, some tea, a horse and carriage, a mansion with plenty of land surrounding it, and some peasants to scoff at in an absurdly over the top fake British accent.

 

Actually somebody should get these things together with a camera and make this happen.

[n7stormrunner]

Welp this thread's kinda going to hell.

 

 

yeah thats sad.... quick more qunari in dresses... lets try a guy this time. it'll feel like da: o again