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just point out... their not attacking your sexual orientation. their questioning it's existence... I think I should make a GoT meme with that.

 

Well I did say they were questioning it =P

 

I am mostly pointing out how ridiculous it is to even being that into this.



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I was pointing out ridiculous it was not to be interested in sex or attractiveness.



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I was pointing out ridiculous it was not to be interested in sex or attractiveness.

Um, there are whole groups of people who are not interested in sex. 


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Well ok, but something tells me that's not the case generally, and that something is well evolution.

 

I get that Bioware is already focusing on 'underrepresented audiences' or whatever it is, but I'm sure the vast majority of those types of people still care about sex or attractiveness in one way or another.



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and of course when all else fails in an internet debate, be sure to question their sexual orientation.
 
Nobody will dismiss you as a troll(and a poor one at that) when you do that.


Compared to the other person saying they must always get rejected and not know how to interact with real people, questioning their libido seems like fair play to me, even if both approaches are rather insipid.

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Ugh.. I wasn't questioning anyone's orientation. It's like the other poster said, it's more like the existence. There are literally tons of people interested in romances aren't there? I assume they are also interested in sex? I assume they are also interested in characters looking good?

 

I just wish people would rewind the clock back through time with all the politics and complicated intrigue and remember being that 14 or 15 year old kid that just had a crush on that, you know, other person. It's good, it's healthy, positive.

 

It's also one reason why I don't mind and think more provocative (or at least designed to appeal directly) outfits are kind of cool. That's all there is to it.



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If you were responding to me, libido =/= orientation. I understood what you meant just fine for once. It's still rather dumb.
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Well thanks, my simple and pure drive to find an attractive character with an attractive outfit in a game is just making me the butt of endless source of insults and derision.

 

I'm still boggled as to how Bioware is supposed to represent progress... I guess that says more about other less 'progressive' types than I'd ever like to know.



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No, questioning other people who don't happen to share your simple and pure drive to bla bla bla... is.
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Or I like breasts, do you?
 
And I never said anything about nudity, I was just wondering if people could even summon some sexual impulses what with all the anti-sexual outfit commentary. It's not unhealthy or immature to be interested in sex or attractiveness, I don't think reflecting that in game is a bad thing either.

It isnt unhealthy or immature, i agree. that being said, dragon age is not really about that, its a game meant to have a great story and engaging combat. im not sure why "sexiness" has to be present.

Compared to the other person saying they must always get rejected and not know how to interact with real people, questioning their libido seems like fair play to me, even if both approaches are rather insipid.

That was a joke response to this post:

I like breasts... don't know about the rest of the crazies though... I think it's some of them got rejected by a... blessed girl in high school and have never gotten over it.

No need to get offended over it. I was clowning around.

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Well ok, but something tells me that's not the case generally, and that something is well evolution.

 

I get that Bioware is already focusing on 'underrepresented audiences' or whatever it is, but I'm sure the vast majority of those types of people still care about sex or attractiveness in one way or another.

 

Most, if not all of us probably are interested in sex.

 

You can be interested in sex and attractiveness without wanting it in absolutely everything, however =P

 

If I really want to look at boobs then the internet will provide more than I could possibly need in that area.

 

and probably a few things I really didn't need.


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You know interestingly enough I would say that Bioware is more guilty of that than any of these JRPGs people are so fond of insulting. I just played one where you slowly get to know just one girl over the course of the entire game, and at the very end you finally get a single kiss if you said all the right things. :) How romantic. It's the exact same game with that girl that was pretty provocative I posted earlier. The girl with the provocative outfit won't do anything with you, since she was <spoiler> rebounding from the death of her husband who she was devoted to in the past.

 

Meanwhile in Biowareland it's like what are the sex scenes who's doing what with what, who's going to be screwing what now and how are they doing. lets upload the sex scenes yeah sex baby sex. Jam enough gifts and positive conversation options down someone's throat and you can have them screwing anything.

 

That's kind of why I think the outfits are cool, it feels like sex is less repressed that way. It doesn't feel like this burden to oh my god fit in and then that manifests itself with higher sexual craziness later.

 

It isnt unhealthy or immature, i agree. that being said, dragon age is not really about that, its a game meant to have a great story and engaging combat. im not sure why "sexiness" has to be present.

 

And that's why I don't 'quite' understand points like that. I personally preferred the Bioware games that downplayed these separate sexual side-quest gift jamming gimmicks, if someone is making sure sexiness is present it's them.



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I like chocolate.

 

But I don't want everything I eat to be smothered in Hershey's syrup.

 

Kinda ruins a perfectly good steak.

 

Just saying.


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No, questioning other people who don't happen to share your simple and pure drive to bla bla bla... is.

 

Well, there's nothing inherently wrong with my pure and simple drive I hope? Look, at the end of the day I don't remotely expect this game to follow literally anything I desire, for the most part, precisely because many people I guess don't share my pure and simple etc. It does have like 1 or 2.5 things that sort of interest me, I express my opinion, etc.

 

I would consider it more of an attempt to find common ground, ok, people don't like sexual outfits, well do they like sex? That was really all it was.



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It isnt unhealthy or immature, i agree. that being said, dragon age is not really about that, its a game meant to have a great story and engaging combat. im not sure why "sexiness" has to be present.

That was a joke response to this post:
No need to get offended over it. I was clowning around.

 

 

more so when I was being a smart***  because... I'm a smart***.

 

and the answer is it there whether or not people want to admit it it's there... isbella would make a less sense in a chantry robe, except in a quest about her seducing laysisters, or the plate some want to shove her in.  most don't want  full on strippific outfits but something a little less knight in shining armour would be nice.



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"Burden to oh my god fit in" yet another entry into the encyclopedia of incomprehensible statements you've made...

Really if you want people to stop insulting your comments you need to learn how to raise up the things you like without simultaneously shitting all over things other people like, like their idea of a strong woman, or good armor for women, or a good romance plot.

Only if they still insult your JRPG inspired ideas when you do that (which they will, I assure you) can you legitimately take the high ground about how you're always under attack here.
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I feel like people just belittle that though, I said "I want to a character with a cute outfit," and that immediately triggered a whole array of well that's all you want your a simple person, this is Dragon Age and only important people who do serious things play this game.

 

Well whatever, if you thought at least one post was that way then that's something. It's probably just a byproduct of the fact that people seem to continually ignore 90% of the material and focus insanely on the remaining 10% that they take issue with, it just gives me the impression people aren't really substantively engaging the idea.

 

For instance, what do you think about the romance thing? People are more fixated on how I phrase any particular thing or another, I'm curious, do you think DA:I is a little bit too close to resembling a porn? Do you like the mega emphasis on sex? Do you see that as related to the seemingly enforced chastity in clothing? Do you think it makes no difference?

 

But no it's just oh you phrase this wrong, lets beat up Kefka some more.


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So I don't really know how to resolve that dilemma. I don't know what kind of logical reasons people need to justify the purely instinctual non-offending conclusion that sexy is good.
 
I could just go "I really like cute outfits, I hope to see more." That would be unoffending sure, but I don't think people would notice or care as much otherwise.


If you're stepping on people just to get your opinions noticed, that's basically a form of trolling though.

Plenty of people will pay attention to your opinion just from the fact that it dare suggest JRPG influence in a BioWare game, there's no need to burden it more with unfortunate implications about them or the things they like before they even have a chance to insult you first.

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I don't want to get philosophical, but isn't any opinion likely to offend someone? Simply saying I really like cute outfits might subtly offend someone who demands people always come to their conclusions through the force of reason and criticism. Is saying I believe cute outfits are important because people generally are interested in sex and attractiveness, and that I think not having them indidcates a degree of repression that ends up over-sexing other moments and illustrates an ultra-conservative attitude towards sex that is associated with abandoned ideals and movements such as those from Victorian era england suddenly trolling?

 

What if that very same person in the darkness is now going, oh, it wasn't a simple desire for a cute outfit, hmm interesting. But perhaps I offend the other person who liked my simple and pure desire that offended no one. Such is life.

 

Anyway, I think it's important to drop it really, I'm honestly curious as to your opinion on the outfit or the sex thing.



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Kefka, me s**ting all over your requests isn't liked, then don't s**t all over mine right?  When you make your "non-confrontational" requests, you add "confrontational" remarks of what is already in game. That is why you do get responded to on what you receive.

 

It's always better to go this route.

 

I would like to have a choice of outfits to wear for my inquisitor, please? Sexy outfits for either gender would be nice.  :D

 

 

That would have less arguing in general.

 

 

EDIT: by the way, still haven't found any interest in those games that you mentioned before.


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For instance, what do you think about the romance thing? People are more fixated on how I phrase any particular thing or another, I'm curious, do you think DA:I is a little bit too close to resembling a porn? Do you like the mega emphasis on sex? Do you see that as related to the seemingly enforced chastity in clothing? Do you think it makes no difference?


No.

"mega emphasis on sex" : you should take care to separate what the forums obsess over and what the actual game content includes. I don't like or dislike it because it doesn't exist.

"enforced chastity in clothing" : also kind of imaginary, if I wanted to rephrase it in my own lens it would be that the clothing is just not very stylish or its style isn't to my liking. Saber's outfit isn't very revealing at all but it's better than anything BioWare has ever put on their characters. I wouldn't mind if mage robes were quite revealing. (like some are in DAO, but again, even while they're revealing, they're still ugly)

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If you can somehow resolve the above dilemma to me Tiger, then that's what I would do, but I think saying I simply think sexy outfits are nice doesn't accurately represent that I feel this is tied to something greater.



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EDIT to add a couple words to what I wrote.

 

 

 

I actually did.  Simply put, I would love to have more sexy variances in clothing, despite on being male or female along with the normal clothing options.



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Well see now we're talking again, see I had already had the debate in my head about Saber's outfit and just the general aesthetic superiority of a nice outfit. Two identical outfits, neither one provocative, but one just appeals more than the other. I think that was the way I viewed it for a long time. I wasn't really surprised to see that opinion.

 

I see it in other things, a kpop video they don't really have all their clothes off, but their sense of style is really something.

 

For whatever reason though, I've been lately thinking about it and going... people seem to really, really respond to that extra skin. Like, it's almost never a small thing, why does it completely sieze people's attention in such a powerful way? What is so significant about this... the more I thought about it the more I thought, well, maybe it actually is a more powerful thing. A person's skin is like the person's soul in this sense, perhaps there is great untapped potential in that kind of clothing, waiting to be released but held back at something. Maybe years from now we'll look back at the chain mail bikini and go psh, that was the tame stuff of 2014.

 

I don't really know anyone out there totally making that argument though, I was hoping someone would pick up on it at least so I could wonder about it some more. The only ones I've seen A) Choices B ) Only if men also C) Both and D) It's wildly unrealistic and bad. No one is really suggesting E) it's not really sexy enough.