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[Voragoras]

I don't really care about sexy armour designs, as long as I have a choice not to wear them. I personally think the male varieties always look cooler than the female ones, with some very rare exceptions, and I don't want to be forced into always playing as a male for me to enjoy looking at what my character is wearing. There should be a tick box for it - whether you want to wear the sexy version or the typically male version. Then everyone's happy.

 

To answer the poster talking about practical and "realistic" armours, in regards to things like sets of rock armours - even if they're not strictly realistic, or at least not in the sense that real historical people would've worn them, they're still believable. Rock armour doesn't qualify as substantially unrealistic to me, because rock = hard = protective = suitable armour. A platemail set that shows your cleavage and leaves your sternum up as a target as a result? Not so much. Thong of invulnerability? Definitely nope.

 

That being said, I don't have a problem with boob-shaped chestplates, either, because that seems believable while also being feminine, so imo that's another example acceptable break from practicality for aesthetic reasons. I would still like an option to use the male design when possible, though.

[Hadeedak]

I'm still just curious though, what is this other thing that people are so interested in pursuing instead? I'm not worried about anyone judging me for wanting a girl (in this instance) to have a hot outfit. This seems like a perfectly cool thing to want. Plus there's nothing actually sexualized about that beyond making the girl look good. Most games with hotter outfits have far less overt sex than Dragon Age. DA is all about tame outfits but lots of actual carnal sex and imagery. If that's not backwards, I don't know what is.

 

I take it you care you primarily about the blowing of people up using massive weapons and just the general slaughtering of people?

 

I don't particularly care for the melodramatic depiction of violence with over-the-top effects and excess gore. It annoys me a little. I also don't think impractical clothing looks good, and that annoys me a little.

 

I want to be immersed in the story, and for me, that's easier if there's no random arterial spray over everything and my tank is not tanking in a tank top. Although again, different people like different things. I like pretty fabric and practical armor. And realistic, muted violence if it's necessary, as opposed to ridiculous splatter deaths.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

You're fighting a war against demons who BROKE THE WORLD.

 

Is this a serious discussion? 

"Oh, but I just want a little kink before going out to free that village - don't judge me!"

Since we're sharing our insights.  I think sexualized people are overly sensitive to anyone criticizing them and should just pursue their consensual sexual identities freely and happily with their partners and stop trying to tell me about myself because I'm not interested in their habits. 

 

The modern world is perhaps the first time in history where the hedonist dictates moral authority over the stoic.  It is a sin to practice moderation in our new world - heaven forbid abstinence (and no, I don't just mean sexual abstinence).

 

As for fighting in lingerie with a feather duster... no thanks. 

 

Im editing my post cause it was rather confrontational.

 

My basic point though, was that why do you care so much that you want to tell us what we can and can't do in a single player game?   If I use the nude mods for Dragon Age Origins, or the alternate cutscene mods, or any such thing... how does that affect you?

 

I am in no way saying you are required to go to a porn website and watch it.  But, how does it affect you if I do?  It doesn't.  So, to a MUCH lesser degree having attractive or God forbid (no pun intended) sexy armor doesn't affect you because nobody is forcing you to wear it (unless it's the best statted armor in the game, at which point the opposite is just as relevant, as some of the best armor in DAII was ugly IMO)

 

In the end, I am Christian, but I do not support anyone, of any religion, trying to enforce their morality on others.  Worry about your own morality, and your kids morality (until they are of legal age).  Only when it affects you or your family directly should you have any reason to care what someone else does.

Modifié par AbsolutGrndZer0, 03 octobre 2014 - 02:53 .

[aTigerslunch]

I'm definitely not against choices. And that new screen shows 150 armor's.....wow, curious to what they all look like.

[Puppy Love]

I've yet to see one armor set for the inquisitor, including mage or rogue outfits, that does not do everything in it's power to hide that our breasts exist. 

 

Now ultimately I just want prettier things, which does not require showing off the shape of our breasts. 

 

BUT with how decisively they seem to be hidden away, even in armor types that aren't even meant to be protective, is starting to border on offensive to me. 

 

There's just way too much baggy clutter on everything.

 

I have a feeling I'm going to be so sick of trench coat type outfits by the end of this game.

 

Speaking of pretty things that conceal breasts, well they need to at least be pretty first to satisfy... 

 

Addendum: Actually at this point I'm starting to wonder whether we even have breasts in this game and don't just have some weird V shape half cone torso hidden by covering clothes to hide our lack of an actual bosom...

[AresKeith]

Addendum: Actually at this point I'm starting to wonder whether we even have breasts in this game and don't just have some weird V shape half cone torso hidden by covering clothes to hide our lack of an actual bosom...

 

Are you serious?

 

And I doubt they're gonna show every armor that's in the game

[FumikoM]

I've yet to see one armor set for the inquisitor, including mage or rogue outfits, that does not do everything in it's power to hide that our breasts exist. 

 

Now ultimately I just want prettier things, which does not require showing off the shape of our breasts. 

 

BUT with how decisively they seem to be hidden away, even in armor types that aren't even meant to be protective, is starting to border on offensive to me. 

 

There's just way too much baggy clutter on everything.

 

I have a feeling I'm going to be so sick of trench coat type outfits by the end of this game.

 

Speaking of pretty things that conceal breasts, well they need to at least be pretty first to satisfy... 

 

Addendum: Actually at this point I'm starting to wonder whether we even have breasts in this game and don't just have some weird V shape half cone torso hidden by covering clothes to hide our lack of an actual bosom...

 

Unfortunately I believe armor that show of our breasts a bit more are unique to female followers, like Sera's. The female protagonist will probably have to be content with armor that always make our breast look flat. Which is kinda annoying since I also prefer to have larger breasts in games. I love curves (or would love to have I should say), and since I can't have that outside the virtual world I at least want it in the virtual one. 

 

Compared to earlier female protagonists in Bioware games we do seem to have a little more weight in the hip and behind region at least. 

 

I guess they choose to do it like this to avoid complaints from those who see it as wrong if a female character have large breasts. It's kinda funny, the only game that seem to avoid such complaints are Sims 3 and 4, games where you can have a massive bosom. Other games with breast sliders tend to receive critique.

 

Never understood the idea a lot of people have that if you have large breasts, you can't fight properly. Yeah you can, just bind them a little extra hard so they don't bounce around to much, and voila!

[frustratemyself]

Different people are going to have different opinions on what is sexy or awesome. I vote sexy and awesome.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Different people are going to have different opinions on what is sexy or awesome. I vote sexy and awesome.

 

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

 

or

 

[Wolfen09]

problem solved, lets all agree that

 

1.  Awesome armor is sexy

 

2.  Sexy armor is awesome

[someguy1231]

I don't really care about sexy armour designs, as long as I have a choice not to wear them. I personally think the male varieties always look cooler than the female ones, with some very rare exceptions, and I don't want to be forced into always playing as a male for me to enjoy looking at what my character is wearing. There should be a tick box for it - whether you want to wear the sexy version or the typically male version. Then everyone's happy.

 

To answer the poster talking about practical and "realistic" armours, in regards to things like sets of rock armours - even if they're not strictly realistic, or at least not in the sense that real historical people would've worn them, they're still believable. Rock armour doesn't qualify as substantially unrealistic to me, because rock = hard = protective = suitable armour. A platemail set that shows your cleavage and leaves your sternum up as a target as a result? Not so much. Thong of invulnerability? Definitely nope.

 

That being said, I don't have a problem with boob-shaped chestplates, either, because that seems believable while also being feminine, so imo that's another example acceptable break from practicality for aesthetic reasons. I would still like an option to use the male design when possible, though.

 

Sorry, but if you're going to complain about sexy armor being "unrealistic", then you can't pick and choose. Rock = hard? Of course. Problem is, rock = "too hard and heavy to move in, let alone fight effectively in". And studies have shown that boob-shaped chestplates can actually be just as dangerous in real-life battles than bare skin, because of their tendency to move blades toward unprotected areas as well as cave in toward the wearer. From a strictly practical, realistic viewpoint, those are just as bad as a "thong of invulnerability", as you put it. That is the point I've been making these past few posts. Armor is unrealistic in games all the time. It's only armor that's unrealistic for the sake of sexiness that gets "called out" for being "unrealistic".

 

See this page for tons of examples of armor that's impractical for non-sexy reasons:http://tvtropes.org/...mpracticalArmor

[Voragoras]

Sorry, but if you're going to complain about sexy armor being "unrealistic", then you can't pick and choose. Rock = hard? Of course. Problem is, rock = "too hard and heavy to move in, let alone fight effectively in". And studies have shown that boob-shaped chestplates can actually be just as dangerous in real-life battles than bare skin, because of their tendency to move blades toward unprotected areas as well as cave in toward the wearer. From a strictly practical, realistic viewpoint, those are just as bad as a "thong of invulnerability", as you put it. That is the point I've been making these past few posts. Armor is unrealistic in games all the time. It's only armor that's unrealistic for the sake of sexiness that gets "called out" for being "unrealistic".

 

See this page for tons of examples of armor that's impractical for non-sexy reasons:http://tvtropes.org/...mpracticalArmor

 

Did you read my post? I made a clear distinction between believably unrealistic and unbelievably unrealistic - the rock armour has a logic to it that the thong of invulnerability doesn't. Rock is hard and tough, so armour made out of rock makes sense from a design point of view, even if you would never ever see that in the real world. It's not realistic, but you can still somewhat believe it.

 

And I know about the boob-shaped plates being practically ridiculous, which is why I mentioned them to distinguish between a "sexy" armour that would be believably unrealistic (at least she's still wearing armour that covers her most vulnerable areas) and the contrasted chainmail bra that doesn't cover anything, which would be unbelievably unrealistic.

[eyezonlyii]

 

Never understood the idea a lot of people have that if you have large breasts, you can't fight properly. Yeah you can, just bind them a little extra hard so they don't bounce around to much, and voila!

 

Thus why there isn't massive boob armor. The girls are firmly secured.

[Medhia_Nox]

AbsoluteGrinderZero:  Can you tell me where in that post I did not condone your behavior in your play through?  (note: this is not your game - it is Bioware's game first, then our game second, and your play though last)

 

If you want to play fantasy warrior princess with your partner in your home where they are the evil darkspawn trying to taint you - then rock on with your bad selves. 

 

If you are in a scene with your video game love interest and you want to dress up and play: "Hero of Ferelden and Morrigan: Night of the Dark Ritual."  and Bioware puts that in for you?  AWESOME - rock on.

 

But don't tell me one of my combat armor options has to be fetishistic simply because you have to play the entire game with kink.  

 

Not everyone who disagrees with you is a religious fanatic prude btw. 

[Lennard Testarossa]

I don't have anything against "sexy armor" or even chainmail bikinis in general. I would, however, argue that Dragon Age specifically simply isn't the right kind of game for the more extreme variants of sexy armor. They don't fit the tone of the game.

 

As for moderate variants of sexy armor, I'm much more open to those on armor that isn't plate armor. Robes and leather armor that show off the figure of a character are fine by me. The boobs on the heavier armor in DA:O were just weird, though. I always wished I could simply have a more petite version of the male armor variant for my female characters.

[FumikoM]

I don't have anything against "sexy armor" or even chainmail bikinis in general. I would, however, argue that Dragon Age specifically simply isn't the right kind of game for the more extreme variants of sexy armor. They don't fit the tone of the game.

 

As for moderate variants of sexy armor, I'm much more open to those on armor that isn't plate armor. Robes and leather armor that show off the figure of a character are fine by me. The boobs on the heavier armor in DA:O were just weird, though. I always wished I could simply have a more petite version of the male armor variant for my female characters.

 

Well it depends on what part of the world a DA game takes place. In some parts of the world typical sexy revealing armor is not unusual, like it is in say Ferelden. I have mentioned Isabela, she's a perfect example of such revealing armor that do exist and fit into the world of DA. But DA:I takes a more classic approach, or a (culturally) Ferelden one, I should say.

[PhroXenGold]

Well it depends on what part of the world a DA game takes place. In some parts of the world typical sexy revealing armor is not unusual, like it is in say Ferelden. I have mentioned Isabela, she's a perfect example of such revealing armor that do exist and fit into the world of DA. But DA:I takes a more classic approach, or a (culturally) Ferelden one, I should say.

 

Personally, I have little problem with revealing clothing like Isabella wears, as it's not going to provide much in the way of protection regardless of how much of it there is.

[Voragoras]

As for moderate variants of sexy armor, I'm much more open to those on armor that isn't plate armor. Robes and leather armor that show off the figure of a character are fine by me. The boobs on the heavier armor in DA:O were just weird, though. I always wished I could simply have a more petite version of the male armor variant for my female characters.

 

I like this idea. Leather armour and mage robes aren't really there to provide you with as much direct protection as, say, plate or chainmail would, so I think that's the realm to really explore the concept of more sexualised armours.

 

Though I would still appreciate a choice on whether to go with a sexualised/feminised version or a scaled down version of the male variants, simply because, from an aesthetic point of view, I may prefer one over the other. And I wouldn't be opposed to men having the option to bare their leather-crafted boobs, either.

[Star fury]

Personally, I have little problem with revealing clothing like Isabella wears, as it's not going to provide much in the way of protection regardless of how much of it there is.

Her clothes provide the best mobility and serve as a distraction for enemies. You get lost watching that cleavage and then Bela kills you.

[PinkysPain]

Thus why there isn't massive boob armor. The girls are firmly secured.

 

But not massive is not unisex either ... and especially with plate any alternate curve will be visible. Although some historical male armours have quite pronounced protrusion of the chest to begin with, so maybe the answer is unisex but the other way around. Uniboob designs for everyone.

[Seraphim24]

Not everyone who disagrees with you is a religious fanatic prude btw. 

 

Well what are you then though? It just sounds like instead of promoting a full blown extreme form of repression, it's like a very tame version 21st century version. It just seems like the exact same thing. I can't think of anything more inconsequential to a game in many ways than the kind of outfit a character has, but so many people seem to have made it a crusade (yes a crusade) to make sure they follow certain (fundamentally) moral standards.

 

There was one in WoW that caught my attention in the beta for WoD, but it was gone because yes the heavily Christian-ized player base or whatever complained. I kind of miss the days when they didn't know video games existed. There was also a breast size reduction in Wildstar if I remember. It's like none of those things ultimately make any difference whatsoever in those games, most of which focus on massive amounts of slaughtering and killing, but no issue is taken with that, nope none at all. It's the same thing in GoT, violence? Fine. Sex? Abominable.

 

So you guys don't burn women at the stake for the slightest hint of sexual expression, fine, progress acknowledged, instead you just try really hard to take the fun out of video games by eradicating all forms of sexual expression. Forgive me for not being so excited that you simply dropped 'fanatic' from the equation.

[someguy1231]

Did you read my post? I made a clear distinction between believably unrealistic and unbelievably unrealistic - the rock armour has a logic to it that the thong of invulnerability doesn't. Rock is hard and tough, so armour made out of rock makes sense from a design point of view, even if you would never ever see that in the real world. It's not realistic, but you can still somewhat believe it.

 

And I know about the boob-shaped plates being practically ridiculous, which is why I mentioned them to distinguish between a "sexy" armour that would be believably unrealistic (at least she's still wearing armour that covers her most vulnerable areas) and the contrasted chainmail bra that doesn't cover anything, which would be unbelievably unrealistic.

 

"Did you read my post? I made a clear distinction between believably unrealistic and unbelievably unrealistic"

 

Such a distinction is pointless and meaningless to me. It just comes across as a pair of euphemisms for "unrealistic I like" and "unrealistic I don't like", respectively. "Chainmail bras", as you call them, are just another fantasy trope to me, as much as dragons and magic and the like.

[Jackums]

I came into this thread expecting to see a bunch of practicality/realism elitists. My expectations were met.

 

Why do people care what other people have access to? Having "unrealistic" sexualized armor in the game as an option doesn't affect you. The simple solution is don't use it. People that prefer that style of armor (ie. a lot) can use it, and likewise you can choose only to use your historically accurate Arthurian chainmail.