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[Lady Luminous]

Yeah, the two pictures illustrate well what was always an annoyance for me... what we can't see our characters topless with nipples, but we can see f**king ugly Mother's bare breasts and oh look she even has nipples?  Hate to say it (I'm an American myself) but that just seems to me like typical backward American mentality of "sex bad, blood good"  I mean, I have no problem with seeing Mother bare-breasted, I think it adds to how scary she is, but the shock for me was seeing THAT after our characters kept on bras (and especially Morrigan's case) in their topeless scenes it was just so out of place when I can strip down my female warden and she's wearing a bra... why isn't Mother?

 

I think it's the supposed lack of humanity in the mother. At that point it's really more like showing a cat's nipples or a cows udders, even though the shape is decidedly human. ((But yes, sex = bad, blood = good is very bass ackwards thinking.))

[Hanako Ikezawa]

This seems an appropriate place to post this. Sad news for those who were hoping for the ability to change casual attire:

 

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@Mike_Laidlaw Hello   I was reading the C&C Q&A and started wondering something. Can we change the Inquisitor's casual clothing?

 

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw9 hours ago

Not currently. Maybe later.

[Seraphim24]

Oh my god I totally forgot about the broodmother, yes a mass of completely naked breasts is completely realistic and unobjectionable but a Dalish Elf showing a bare midriff is a godawful disgusting thing that needs to be covered immediately.

 

Until I see a campaign by SJWs (or whoever) to cover up the brood mother I feel compelled to treat any further attempts to defend the need for covering on PCs and their outfits as a complete exercise in futility, as that is hypocrisy cranked far past 11 and into the 90s on a scale of 1-10.

 

It seems to me a far easier solution is just to embrace the joy of cute outfits and the skin they show and leave those that feel the need to judge alone with their 900 lb conglomeration of female biology, as well as their petty hatreds and compulsion to make everyone as unhappy as they are.

[MrMrPendragon]

I'd like to go in here and be all politically correct and noble saying that sexy armor is something something bad yada yada yada, but that's just too much work. Plus I'm not a very good liar anyway.

 

I won't say no to sexy armor. I'm a guy and I like sexy armor on women. There is sexy armor? Great! No sexy armor? Meh.

[mousestalker]

I'd like to go in here and be all politically correct and noble saying that sexy armor is something something bad yada yada yada, but that's just too much work. Plus I'm not a very good liar anyway.
 
I won't say no to sexy armor. I'm a guy and I like sexy armor on women. There is sexy armor? Great! No sexy armor? Meh.

Ask and ye shall receive:

[Lieutenant Kurin]

Oh my god I totally forgot about the broodmother, yes a mass of completely naked breasts is completely realistic and unobjectionable but a Dalish Elf showing a bare midriff is a godawful disgusting thing that needs to be covered immediately.

 

Until I see a campaign by SJWs (or whoever) to cover up the brood mother I feel compelled to treat any further attempts to defend the need for covering on PCs and their outfits as a complete exercise in futility, as that is hypocrisy cranked far past 11 and into the 90s on a scale of 1-10.

 

It seems to me a far easier solution is just to embrace the joy of cute outfits and the skin they show and leave those that feel the need to judge alone with their 900 lb conglomeration of female biology, as well as their petty hatreds and compulsion to make everyone as unhappy as they are.

The difference between the broodmother and the dalish elf, is that one is a player. And that player was forced to bare midriff for their entire origin at the very least. If it turns into either most armour is unrealistically "sexy" or no armour is, I hope to the Maker they err on the side of caution. What happened in Origins is not okay because most female PCs who wore anything either got boob plate or midriff until they wore massive armour, that's eliminating choice. And one should never eliminate realistic choices for the sake of sexy ones. Not in a game like Dragon Age.

 

Just my 2 bits.

 

OH! Also, Isabela's necklaces are probably hollow and the round 'coin'-looking things were likely concave on the other side. That eliminates a lot of weight (and was also common in real life with those types of jewelery).

[old_dawn]

This is an example of what I think is simultaneously "sexy" and "awesome":

[Han Shot First]

Oh my god I totally forgot about the broodmother, yes a mass of completely naked breasts is completely realistic and unobjectionable but a Dalish Elf showing a bare midriff is a godawful disgusting thing that needs to be covered immediately.

 

Until I see a campaign by SJWs (or whoever) to cover up the brood mother I feel compelled to treat any further attempts to defend the need for covering on PCs and their outfits as a complete exercise in futility, as that is hypocrisy cranked far past 11 and into the 90s on a scale of 1-10.

 

 

I don't think anyone has ever argued against chain mail bikinis (which is basically what the female Dalish outfits were) on the basis that a bare midriff offended them. People don't like the chain mail bikini because it looks silly and doesn't even succeed at 'rule of cool,' and the bare abdomen and/or cleavage completely defeats the purpose of armor. It is also a bit of a double standard when male characters wearing the exact same armor look completely protected from head to toe.

 

You're making the mistake in assuming that people who don't like the chain mail bikinis have a problem with any sort of exposed skin that doesn't fall into horror territory like the broodmothers. That isn't the case. Nudity doesn't bother me in the least so long as it is appropriate, like during a romance scene. Going into battle nearly nude however...isn't.

[Ryzaki]

 

You're making the mistake in assuming that people who don't like the chain mail bikinis have a problem with any sort of exposed skin that doesn't fall into horror territory like the broodmothers. That isn't the case. Nudity doesn't bother me in the least so long as it is appropriate, like during a romance scene. Going into battle nearly nude however...isn't.

 

Agreed.

 

I'm more bothered by games with sexy armor but when it's time for the lovescene everyone's in underwear or fully dressed it looks ridiculous. Sexy has a time and a place as you said.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

I would see this as a bad thing. I am buying and playing this game to kill demons and establish a powerful political entity(the inquisition) not to see some nipples. 

 

Well, then you fit right in with American standards.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

My issue is that as NPCs are allowed to have options to express their opinions and world views, but our characters are not.  It feels like there's a statement being made, it's being forced on our characters, whether we agree with it or not, and is ignored by the NPCs who are the only ones allowed to buck this odd trend, which only applies to the player. 

 

I agree with not having skin showing just to have skin showing on women.  It can be done artfully, in accordance with archetypal clothing or costumes, ect.  How a person chooses to dress is a large part of their expression, there's very little player outfits I've seen that feel like they're expressing anything.  Everthying feels like an odd hodgepodge of masculine inspired stuff.

 

I'd like more clothes that imply a personality more than dude who fights things, sometimes worn by a girl also.

 

Is like the ball and the lack of a gown for the PC.  While I understand that they ran into limitations preventing it, if the NPC women are all in gowns and I'm in a pants suit, it feels like how my character expresses her gender role/views is being not only decided for her, but is in complete contrast to my own, and being flaunted all around me by npcs everywhere.

 

I'm just sick and tired of being jealous of NPCs when my character is supposed to be the most important character around.  Every NPC gets to express themselves, I'm generic masculine gender neutral expressionless armor 2.0...

 

Exactly!  Isabela can dress like that, but I even as a mage have to be fully covered at all times? It's inconsistent as hell, and that's the BIG reason I prefer the PC version, so I can download mods that give more outfit choices.

[Seraphim24]

I think I'm concluding it's prudishness for two reasons, first because it's a video game. If you can't have sexy in a freaking harmless entertainment product than where can you have it?

 

The idea that people would be offended by virtually anything in a video game, whether sexy, violent, or otherwise is kind of beyond me. It makes me feel like people have a creepy protective/smothering/relationship with their entertainment products and that alone is utterly baffling.

 

Second, maybe I'd believe people that say they value the realism or whatever if they didn't always mod the crap out of their games into sexy characters for everyone, or continually play tons of games that have sexy characters. From my perspective, their words are essentially meaningless until their actions actually follow the commentary. Dragon Age itself is already sex and relationship filled to the brim.

 

I don't know a single person in the universe that isn't basically actively interested in sex in one way or another, and when it comes to entertainment they are going to proritize appearance and general need for stuff to look cool or attractive. So consequently I don't really care what they say, it just smells like BS to me.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

I think it's the supposed lack of humanity in the mother. At that point it's really more like showing a cat's nipples or a cows udders, even though the shape is decidedly human. ((But yes, sex = bad, blood = good is very bass ackwards thinking.))

 

Oh yes, I know 100% that is the reason.  She's a monster, it's okay.

 

Funny thing, ever play Parasite Eve?  The end boss is naked but has no nipples.  A lot of people cried censorship, but it wasn't. It was intentional by design.  Eve did not have nipples in the game, nor did she in the movie (which the games were a sequel to!)

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

I think I'm concluding it's prudishness for two reasons, first because it's a video game. If you can't have sexy in a freaking harmless entertainment product than where can you have it?

 

The idea that people would be offended by virtually anything in a video game, whether sexy, violent, or otherwise is kind of beyond me. It makes me feel like people have a creepy protective/smothering/relationship with their entertainment products and that alone is utterly baffling.

 

Second, maybe I'd believe people that say they value the realism or whatever if they didn't always mod the crap out of their games into sexy characters for everyone, or continually play tons of games that have sexy characters. From my perspective, their words are essentially meaningless until their actions actually follow the commentary.

 

I don't know a single person in the universe that isn't basically actively interested in sex in one way or another, and when it comes to entertainment going to prioritize apperance and general need for stuff to look cool or attractive. So consequently I don't really care what they say, it just smells like BS to me.

 

*Hides evidence of playing Lollipop Chainsaw* Yes, I don't play games that have sexy characters.  Ever.  Total realism only.

Modifié par AbsolutGrndZer0, 04 octobre 2014 - 07:28 .

[bEVEsthda]

Well one could say being against sexy armor like Isabela's is then being PC..

 

 

I said I loathed what DA2 did to Isabela.  In fact I loathed everything what DA2 did to DA.

 

For a reminder, this was Isabela. The real Isabela.

 

[Grieving Natashina]

Out of curiosity, are you referring to me? 

Yep.  I was avoiding your name, because I know you've gotten a hard time for your religious beliefs in the past.  <hug>

 

 

Agreed.

 

I'm more bothered by games with sexy armor but when it's time for the lovescene everyone's in underwear or fully dressed   it looks ridiculous. Sexy has a time and a place as you said.

Besides, has anyone tried to actually serious sword fighting practice wearing a chainmail bra?  Even with leather padding for the cups and along the straps, it still chafes after a little while.  The leather only protects so much; the sweat and friction around the breast and along the bra line will start to irritate and hurt.  More so if you're doing some serious training.  

 

I used to fence (rapiers) and one of my lady friends let me borrow her chainmail bra (which fit me just fine.)  Never. Again.   I've never tried a chainmail bikini bottom, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to.

 

Some fantasies are ruined by the reality.  I can't look at a gal in a chainmail bikini without going, "Ow!"

[The Elder King]

I said I loathed what DA2 did to Isabela.  In fact I loathed everything what DA2 did to DA.
 
For a reminder, this was Isabela. The real Isabela.
 

She's not, unless she'll appear in DAI more similar to her DAO version. And based by her appearance in the comics, she won't.

You Can call it a retcon or a horrible change If you want , it doesn't change the fact that her canon appearance isn't the one in DAO.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yep.  I was avoiding your name, because I know you've gotten a hard time for your religious beliefs in the past.  <hug>

Well, thank you.

*returns hug*

[bEVEsthda]

As for this amusing perception that nudity in battle is "unrealistic", one may remind you about ancients and warmer climates.

 

The Greek Phalanx, for instance, went into battle dressed only in helmet, shield and some plates protecting lower legs, shoulder and an arm. And it was extremely effective. Extremely!  Athenians, Spartans and Thebeians  routinely obliterated many times larger forces, virtually without own losses. Again and again.

 

Besides protection, it's also important to be able to move freely. It's also a question of stamina. Water is important, hampering and warm clothing is not. Clothes were also a health hazard, as a sword, spear or arrow cutting through clothes would pick up material and insert it into the wound, causing potentially lethal infections and reactions.

 

As for "morals", it was such a self-evident thing that you should flaunt your penis into the face of your enemy, that the Greeks would so totally not understand anything at all about this discussion.

 

"Our" morals is not something natural or absolute. Look at native tribes in Amazonas, for a better clue. And ancient peoples certainly didn't share them. Our morals come from a nomadic goat and sheep herding culture, where women were regarded, owned, treated and traded just like any other cattle. The "morals" are ultimately just about possessions and upholding the authority of the chief bull, the clan chief. The most extreme example is surviving in Muslim cultures, with all their covering up and stoning, etc. But Jewish and Christian "morals" are quite related, and not far removed on the full scale.

[bEVEsthda]

She's not, unless she'll appear in DAI more similar to her DAO version. And based by her appearance in the comics, she won't.

You Can call it a retcon or a horrible change If you want , it doesn't change the fact that her canon appearance isn't the one in DAO.

 

That might be. But catering only to the taste and opinions of those who liked DA2 (which sometimes seem to be what those poor developers are actually up to), and just give those a bigger, better DA2, would so end up in a colossal disaster.

 

Because calling it canon, is not going to change anything how I feel about it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That might be. But catering only to the taste and opinions of those who liked DA2 (which sometimes seem to be what those poor developers are actually up to), and just give those a bigger, better DA2, would so end up in a colossal disaster.

 

Because calling it canon, is not going to change anything how I feel about it.

Why do you deserve to be catered to more? What makes your tastes superior than those who liked DA2? 

[The Elder King]

That might be. But catering only to the taste and opinions of those who liked DA2 (which sometimes seem to be what those poor developers are actually up to), and just give those a bigger, better DA2, would so end up in a colossal disaster.
 
Because calling it canon, is not going to change anything how I feel about it.

You're assuming That I liked a lot DA2. I didn't, though my opinion (from what I recall) isn't as negative as yours. And no, I don't think DAI is just a big or better DA2. There are plently of things that are disappointing some/a lot of people who preferred DA2.
In regards of Isabela, I'll be fine regardless if They follow the DAO or DA2 model. I said that it's canon expecially because you called DAO Isabela the 'real' isabela.

[bEVEsthda]

Why do you deserve to be catered to more? What makes your tastes superior than those who liked DA2? 

 

Read carefully. And think about things a while.

 

I said catering "only to the taste and opinions of those who liked DA2".

 

And my taste and opinion is worth considering, because it maybe, in a small part, represents Bioware's problem. Those who like  DA2 is not Bioware's problem. It wasn't because of them, that DA2 brought such a dismal reputation to Bioware, and DA2 accumulates so much scorn.

[bEVEsthda]

You're assuming That I liked a lot DA2. I didn't, though my opinion (from what I recall) isn't as negative as yours. And no, I don't think DAI is just a big or better DA2. There are plently of things that are disappointing some/a lot of people who preferred DA2.
In regards of Isabela, I'll be fine regardless if They follow the DAO or DA2 model. I said that it's canon expecially because you called DAO Isabela the 'real' isabela.

 

I assumed nothing about you. Just like you, I commented upon the possible choices of the developers.

You post was hardly an argument. It's just a comment. Because you can hardly believe that I will change opinion because you suggest something may be canon?

I extended the exchange with another comment. I can't see how you perceive that I assumed anything about you?