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[9TailsFox]

Now I know this is going to shock some of you, but the movie "300" is not history. Its fantasy that didn't really happen(not as depicted in the movie anyway).

Reading this topic, I think fact that DA is fantasy will shock a lot off people. All posts about realism like it means something in DA. Cassandra can break gates with shield, you can run with flaming sword, and people still speak about realistic protection.

DA is not kingdom come deliverance. DA is not, dungeons and no dragons. DA is dungeons and dragons.

[Voragoras]

I play Final Fantasy and games from the Atelier series, so I think it's fair to say I like their outlandish designs and colourful lack of anything resembling practicality, but when it comes to games like DA:O, which seems to pride itself on being "dark" fantasy, I would like outfits that reflect that, even if the designs themselves aren't strictly realistic. Don't have the male armour be full-body and then the female variant of the exact same armour suddenly be a bikini, because it gives two completely alternative messages.

 

The fe/male Champion Sets in DA2 is a good example of cool but somewhat believable armour, because both genders look just as ridiculous as each other, while still having the feel of being protective, without (imo) sacrificing femininity.

[Andir]

a lot of people are against it because they feel like it wouldn't fit in to the DA universe. but, no one seems to have a problem with say iron bull's armor or isabela's. yes, they fit the character. but what if that type of armor fits the pc the person wants to create? what if that's the type of character they want? i would understand more if there had been no examples like these armors in any games previously, but there are. one is a companion in this very game. i guess i just don't understand why people are so against it's inclusion. if you aren't forced to wear it, why are you so against other's having the choice? it won't 'break your immersion' if you don't choose to equip it? also, people keep referring to 'chainmail bikinis'. i haven't seen anyone asking for anything of that sort, outside of jokingly. (they could and i could have just missed it : p) i have just seen more requests for some skin and form fitting things.

 

i would never use extreme armors personally but it doesn't affect me that other's would. same as i would never use huge clunky looking armors.  i don't know, i just don't see why other's are so against other's having that choice?

[PinkysPain]

I play Final Fantasy and games from the Atelier series, so I think it's fair to say I like their outlandish designs and colourful lack of anything resembling practicality, but when it comes to games like DA:O, which seems to pride itself on being "dark" fantasy, I would like outfits that reflect that, even if the designs themselves aren't strictly realistic.

 

In DA3 however we're doing backflip trickshots with bows in combat ...

[xelander]

In DA3 however we're doing backflip trickshots with bows in combat ...

Well that's just combining gymnastics and parthian shot, nothing special really.

[Voragoras]

In DA3 however we're doing backflip trickshots with bows in combat ...

 

A show of ostentatiousness in combat doesn't necessarily detract from the overall setting, considering combat is supposed to be unrealistic in order to make it work. Backflipping and shooting an arrow is just an offensive dodge manoeuvre for a rogue, it's not like the character is exploding a glitter bomb to then teleporting to a nearby roof, only to then cannonball into a bucket of arrows, which catapult upwards and all somehow hone in on the enemy and pincushion them.

[PhroXenGold]

come on don't be so self centered, all the people on console can't mod their games, so you don't like heavy armor on your warrior, to bad it's this or nothing, that's just not right.....if many folks out there don't like the sexy choice simply don't wear it, but there should be options for all, the more options the more games sold

Replaying da2 (again) this time on pc, fenris has on champion armor and a much better face, merrill is just gorgeous, male hawk is a half naked bad *ss supermodel and a smart &ss, and having a blast

point being console players shouldn't be left out of options (always played on console, new to pc)

 

Even as a staunch defender of "realistic" armour, I wouldn't have an issue with optional skimpy armour appearing in game, providing it is completely optional. That is to say, unless I specifically chose to use it on my lead character or companions, I do not see it being worn in game (except perhaps in a brothel...). It it was to appear on NPCs that would be, for me, a serious immersion breaker (unless, as I've said before, everyone is wearing it and no-one has proper armour, in which case we can just chalk it up to "a wizard did it" and said proper armour should be treated in this way). 

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Are you even thinking about what you are saying? You want the game to have lots and lots of nudity, but less violence. ITS AN ACTION RPG. The biggest focus after the story is the COMBAT.

 

Ridiculous really. How does it "fit with american standards" to say that screaming for more nudity in a game is idiotic? Spoiler alert, if you have a problem with blood and gore this is not the game for you. Sorry. 

 

Once again, go watch some porn. You want nipples and breasts? Bam, there ya go. 

 

I played the witcher 2, and the nudity in that game was in my opinion well done. The female characters were covered up until a sex scene. Which makes sense. Much better then "LOL hur duuur nipple armor tehehehehe" 

 

I never said I had a problem with blood and gore.  I said that American standards are that when they edit movies like Friday the 13th for television, it's perfectly fine for Jason to slice a woman open with a machete, but it's not okay to show her topless 5 minutes before she is killed.   That's the point.  It's not about wanting nipples and especially not porn, it's about the principle of why do people like Fox News go ballistic over the PG-13 nudity in Mass Effect, yet they were okay with all the killing that goes on in the game?   That's what I mean.  There is room for both.  Even more so with Dragon Age as it has a LOT of blood.. and that's OKAY but if they showed a girl's nipples in the intimate scenes? OMG SCANDAL HERE'S YOUR AO RATING YOU PERVERTS... Keep that woman's shirt on... we don't mind if you brutally murder her, but please, think of the children and keep her shirt on!

 

Seems to me your problem is you are taking our wishes to the extreme, whereas we (at least that I have seen, if anyone in this thread is actually wanting full on porn game then I agree with you, not them, but from what I've seen, that's not the case except as a strawman from those who are against sexy armor) just want some attractive somewhat sexy armors especially for mages that shouldn't be wading into combat in full plate armor anyway.  Let us dress like Morrigan or Isabela, why does it always have to be full on gender erasing full plate for players?

[Voragoras]

^ What makes me laugh about the whole Mass Effect scandal is that it wasn't even anything big, it was like a buttcheek and minimal sideboob. Thank God we had Fox News to save our collective chastities.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

^ What makes me laugh about the whole Mass Effect scandal is that it wasn't even anything big, it was like a buttcheek and minimal sideboob. Thank God we had Fox News to save our collective chastities.

 

Yep, but it was enough of a scandal that it affected Dragon Age and the later Mass Effects.  Or do all women take showers in their bra and panties like both the female Shepard and Traynor do?

[Voragoras]

Yep, but it was enough of a scandal that it affected Dragon Age and the later Mass Effects.  Or do all women take showers in their bra and panties like both the female Shepard and Traynor do?

 

Am female, can confirm this is how we function. The trick is that we're never naked - our underwear is engineered to be part of our skin. Very complex and alien stuff.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Am female, can confirm this is how we function. The trick is that we're never naked - our underwear is engineered to be part of our skin. Very complex and alien stuff.

 

So then what about nude models? Even with live cam, is it all like green-screen?

[Voragoras]

So then what about nude models? Even with live cam, is it all like green-screen?

 

Sometimes it's green-screen, but the poorer people usually paint the nipples and genitals on, and some get full skin transplants. It's all quite hush-hush and not many people know about it.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Sometimes it's green-screen, but the poorer people usually paint the nipples and genitals on, and some get full skin transplants. It's all quite hush-hush and not many people know about it.

 

Uh oh, who is that knocking on your door?

[Voragoras]

Uh oh, who is that knocking on your door?

 

Damnit, I didn't think they'd find out so quickly. Hurry, spread the word as fast as you can!

[dirk5027]

funny thing is the Dragon's Dogma thread in the off-topic section is still going strong, why, showing all the different ways you can mix and match the armor, a lot of sexy included and dogma was not available on pc (no modding)...

Just a fun way to play no big deal really, wear heavy armor first playthrough, sexy armor the second, 3rd, since you know the areas already, mix and match change the clothes depending on where you are going, just a nice variety

[9TailsFox]

^ What makes me laugh about the whole Mass Effect scandal is that it wasn't even anything big, it was like a buttcheek and minimal sideboob. Thank God we had Fox News to save our collective chastities.

Did you play game?

LoL no.

He should show this to, that idiot. It's dangers for kids  It's great story for kids. Except ending. You will need professional help even if you are adult.

[Seraphim24]

It doesn't really matter what reasons you have for making this asinine assumption. Listen to the reasons people actually give you instead of assuming you know them better than they do.

 

All I've seen are more reality arguments for the most part, which in my mind I already thought were pretty silly by stating that the game has freaking dragons and magic and a whole host of other things that aren't real at all. I don't know how anyone makes reality arguments in video games after that point.

 

People want a video game with combat that they can take seriously because it gives the appearance of realism (no, not actual realism, I got it history buffs). I didn't see anyone here crusading for all video games to have the aesthetic they want Dragon Age to have. Thankfully Japan hasn't stopped producing JRPGs either.

And you're making up something to be baffled at. People aren't offended by anything. (well, I'm sure some are, but certainly not all of the ones you're generalizing) They find the 'realistic' aesthetic more enjoyable for DA.

 

Well if they really want a game that has a big no fun allowed sticker than that's fine, me (and really, pretty much all of Japan) won't be playing it as a consequence. I take Velvet in Odin Sphere completely seriously when she's fighting, it doesn't phase me when it's in a game like DA either.

 

The **** are you talking about? That's your second reason? Do you think you're omniscient? What motivates you to assume the very same people asking for realism are the ones using some random bikini mod except that you want it to be true so that you can call them a hypocrite?

 

Oh come on, the people in DA, the DA developers, the BSN fans, everyone's doing this all the time. Look at David Gaider's posts, it's 300 pages of snark and condescension. But I get it, no one's supposed to be able to do it to them, that would be unforgivable, no one could know better than us! I'm sure there are fine differences among people, perhaps you have never used a bikini mod, I know I haven't, I don't mod any games I have, but my point is that I seriously doubt anyone making a serious realism argument is or has never been interested in more hot type of characters/outfits.. and that's a good thing.

 

As for playing other games, that's really irrelevant to DA. The reason people want what they want from DA is that it's something they've come to expect out of WRPGs. It's fine if you don't like it. I'm not too thrilled with it myself. I probably prefer the aesthetic of the things you've posted more. But, for Dragon Age, it does feel like they would be out of place and that the realistic aesthetic is at least closer to what Dragon Age has been "trying" to be since the beginning. While I joke about wanting stupid stuff like kamehameha waves and titan shifting, I do want DA to actually have its own aesthetic and be consistent with it. I play games with shrine maidens shooting bullets at each other in pretty patterns across the screen, that doesn't mean I want that in DA either. DA should be DA.

 

I don't see that as set in stone. Annah in Planescape Torment was pretty saucy, and it's a WRPG! Good for them, that gave them a shot at true greatness. It's probably one of the reasons I'll always hold that game as significantly better than any of the Dragon Age games. I believe this expectation was created somewhat more recently than in recesses of the grand history of WRPGs.

 

It's precisely because it would be so different in Dragon Age that I'm actually wanting to see it even more. I don't care as much about attractive in Touhou, I know to expect that, I don't totally expect it in DA which is why if they did manage it the result would probably very interesting.

 

Anyway, I think there is just a resistance to sexuality, attractiveness, and conventional kind of attractive female/maleness that is just everywhere in this game, and it's dramatically limiting the potential and fun in the game. This is simply just another symptom of that. And no, it's not for some just or realism reason that will be vindicated in history. It will be not vindicated on the order of the Puritans, or the witch burners, or whoever. Not the same magnitude or relevance of sin, but not vindicated nonetheless.

[Hadeedak]

It's not resistance to attractiveness. I don't think most of the armor you've shown is pretty. It's gaudy, overwrought, and on top of its other aesthetic flaws, nonfunctional.

 

I don't find it beautiful.

 

It's kind of like if I'm buying a car. I prefer a sturdy, simple four wheel drive instead of an overdesigned sports car with spoilers and hood vents, that can't actually pull anyone out of the ditch. I find simpler, solid armor more appealing than flashy armor with pointless bells and whistles, including random skin-flashing holes.

[Seraphim24]

No one's persuaded me on a reality front as far as sexy armor vs. regular, and that's all I've seen, I don't think I have anything else to contribute at this stage anyway. It strikes me as so brazenly illogical I am unable to deal with more than a few sentences for something so incomprehensible.

 

If I just see more reality crap again after this I doubt I'll keep posting. You guys can have your craptastic game if you want it so badly.

 

It's douchey behavior regardless of who's doing it. At the moment, you're the one doing it. Congratulations.

 

Also this wasn't you just now?

[Mr.Hmm]

This thread went away from the topic people.

 

Back to topic, What's clarified as Sexy armor in DA:I , so far i saw full body armor only unless i missed something