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I just want Heavy and Massive armors that dont hide the fact that my female characters are female. I could never wear massive armor on my female characters becasue it made them look like pretty boys instead of women.

That's how plate armor is supposed to work though.

 

 

Metal doesn't generally conform to a body's shape like cloth would*can't speak for leather if anyone can tell me how leather armor worked I would be grateful*


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Well there is nothing wrong with that armor, of course DA:I is not a JRPG or something along that line. So that kinda armor does not look good on game and breaks immerse in my opinion.

 

Also if a game does that I will expect the opposite too for other genders. Final Fantasy XIV, is all the sexy for all the genders and I am more than ok with it.

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I run away from Elezen dressed like this...



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I don't know much about what females find attractive on males, but I feel like the "bulk and sharp" of ridiculously pointy and unwieldy armor is "sexy" on males in a sense. I know I wouldn't be against an armor that seamlessly  goes from "spikey shoulders that are in no way useful" down to showing a 8-pack ab region and then back around to spikey and unwieldy. I think that, however, making armor like that seems silly. It seems odd to try and attribute "female sexuality" to a male character. It is perfectly fine for females to be sexy in one way and males to be sexy in another way.

You are missing a crucial detail:

 

The big spiky armors were not designed with female titillation in mind. It was designed to appeal to male players' badass fantasies. Sexy female armor was designed with the same people in mind. It was there to be eye candy.

 

Over time this has evolved and we get 'sexy' armor for both genders, but by the same token people want sensible armor for both genders too.


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That's how plate armor is supposed to work though.

 

 

Metal doesn't generally conform to a body's shape like cloth would*can't speak for leather if anyone can tell me how leather armor worked I would be grateful*

 

As I understand it, real leather armour was hard and inflexible, and thus wouldn't conform to a body shape.


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This is a damned if you and a damned if you don't situation for developers.

 

If a developer dares to give players a wide choice, you can be assured that there will be a self-righteous group of selfish persons who are outraged that not all 100% of armours were tailored for them, as if they are the only ones who matter. I recall the Dalish leather and even FemShep's evening dress came under fire even though there were dozens of armours to choose from.

 

The Skyrim modding community is the most mind boggling. There are people going round telling off authors of sexy armours. It's almost like they are being forced to install the mods against their will or something.


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Pretty much this thread is I want it to look good and hot but I can't possibly sound like I'm actively interested in attractive and hot things because society demands that I only care about what's on the inside and I need to be sensitive to every single person's needs in the universe etc. etc. etc. etc.

 

But whatever the reason, I can pretty much gurantee that this thread is just silly and wistful dreams because outside of maybe Morrigan's outfit in DA:O, the DA artistic scheme has consistently been basically 19th century Victorian England.

 

Oh my god and that Inquisitor with the hat or whatever? The ridiculous hat? I wanted to vomit. Guhh, they need like a KPOP professional in an exchange program or something.


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I think people mostly complained about the dress because the equivalent male option was cooler.  And all of the female light armours were silly in DA:O.



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OP hasn't seen DANexus. 

 

Also, this topic is a dead horse. FFXIV has sexy armour for both male and female. Want a bikini armour on your male character? Go and glamour your tank set to the seasonal swim wear. 



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Here's my own attempt at sexy in XIV...

 

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As I understand it, real leather armour was hard and inflexible, and thus wouldn't conform to a body shape.

Thanks.



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That's how plate armor is supposed to work though.

 

 

Metal doesn't generally conform to a body's shape like cloth would*can't speak for leather if anyone can tell me how leather armor worked I would be grateful*

Cloth and padding is under the armor.



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Armor customization.

 

"Sexy"-Reduction in armor for higher attack speed

Practical- Lower stamina for greater physical resistance.

 

Everybody wins. 


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I like big, clunky gear for my warriors.

"Sexy" gear for my mages and rogues. And this is by no means that skimpy stuff in the Skyrim mods. No disrespect to people with the talent to actually mod.. But, I was so disappointed I couldn't find "sexy" mage robes. "Sexy" to me is not running around in bikinis. "Sexy", to me, is suggestive, not medieval stripper. Maybe show a bit of leg with a slit in a long robe. A little cleavage. Or even just something that's form-fitting. I can't play a game like Skyrim or Dragon Age where my characters are running around naked. I can set aside realism for a lot of things when it comes to my PC looking good, but that's something I just...can't. It looks so silly.

 

My Dragonborn wore the ugly archmage robes during fights, but in cities she wore the "Imperial Investigator" armor (mod). I found that outfit sexy, and it doesn't even show cleavage or leg. It is form-fitting, though. :P

 

 

I agree with there being choices. What the female Qunquisitor was wearing in the Redcliffe demo looked so blegh to me. :L I just hope there's enough "sexy" and "practical" so everyone can be happy. But honestly, as a mostly mage player, I think we get the shaft the most. In EVERY rpg. xD


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You are missing a crucial detail:

 

The big spiky armors were not designed with female titillation in mind. It was designed to appeal to male players' badass fantasies. Sexy female armor was designed with the same people in mind. It was there to be eye candy.

 

Over time this has evolved and we get 'sexy' armor for both genders, but by the same token people want sensible armor for both genders too.

In the same way that, I assume because I have never created a female armor, "style" that females might like are used and then bastardized to the point of being sexy to males, then taking the "style" (used lightly) that males like and bastardizing them, such as removing the chest/abs/low waist area to sexualize for women, a  la my suggestion earlier.

And the audience it was designed for is predominantly males and still is predominantly males, so obviously catering to things they like is fine.



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I don't really get the appeal of 'sexy' armour/robes (and by that I mean half-naked, impractical gear) personally. But, so long as it's available for both men and women, and there are plenty of practical alternatives, I don't mind.

 

Personally, that was one thing DA2 did very well, imo. Armour was the same for men and women. No exposed chest/midriff/thigh, no boob cups. Just good practical armour.


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Now personally I don't really care about sexy armor as long as my female isn't stuck wearing a metal bikini and go go boots.*glares at Tera*

 

That said for me for armor to be realistic it isn't just a matter of if it covers everything but also if the materials used in crafting of the armor act as they should.



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Frankly what I really dislike about the realistic armor arugment is that it's rarely realistic. Full plate was frankly not very useful and was never used for infantry, instead exclusively used for cavalry (which was made up of the upper class). In fact full plate armor had far less stopping power than cloth and leather armors used by the infantry. Truthfully there isn't any armor that would stop a lethal blow as a large sword to the gut area is lethal on every armor ever designed, instead it was designed to absorb glancing blows with the aid of a shield. As is plate armor would be terrible for it misses the three key points of armor, armor is not to stop a blow but to absorb it or reflect it, armor must allow for mobility on infantry and armor must be affordable. Seriously the way you actually accomplish that is via layering to absorb blows (so no underwear under your suit of plate), small amounts of metal to deflect blows in important areas, made out of light weight and durable material (read leather and cloth) and using cheap and abundant materials as opposed to metal.


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I'd choose an awesome armor over a sexy one any day.

 

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Frankly what I really dislike about the realistic armor is that it's rarely realistic. Full plate was frankly not very useful and was never used for infantry, instead exclusively used for cavalry (which was made up of the upper class). In fact full plate armor had far less stopping power than cloth and leather armors used by the infantry. Truthfully there isn't any armor that would stop a lethal blow as a large sword to the gut area is lethal on every armor ever designed, instead it was designed to absorb glancing blows and with the aid of a shield absorb said blows. As is plate armor would be terrible for it misses the three key points of armor, armor is not to stop a blow but to absorb it or reflect it, armor must allow for mobility on infantry and armor must be affordable. Seriously the way you actually accomplish that is via layering to absorb blows (so no underwear under your suit of plate), small amounts of metal to deflect blows in important areas, made out of light weight and durable material (read leather and cloth) and using cheap and abundant materials as opposed to metal.

Wow you made my point better than I did. :lol:

 

But yeah that's kinda a problem I have too: most people seem to think realistic=covers everything but don't give a thought to how the materials used to make the armor would actually work.



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I realize that for a lot of people, perceived realism is what's important, but I'll be honest: I don't care about realism. Plausibility is nice, realism...it isn't that important to me. What I care about is obvious pandering in character and armor design. You could have men and women (or other genders) in equally realistic OR unrealistic armors (in terms of real battle use), and I'd still be mad because the female is fetishized and objectified while the dude is not. There are exceptions to this, of course, but there are so many games (and everything else) that does this. So for me, it's far more about sexism than armor design itself.


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Personally I'd go for the awesome looking armour as I find most of the sexy armour to be ridiculous and not actually look all that sexy.

 

I'm sure the modding community will provide for both sides, though.



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Wow you made my point better than I did. :lol:

 

But yeah that's kinda a problem I have too: most people seem to think realistic=covers everything but don't give a thought to how the materials used to make the armor would actually work.

Yeah... I pretty rarely see armor I'd describe as realistic, in fact I'd say that Cassandra's DA:I armor is probably one of the most effective armors currently in games as it actually meets those requirements. Most of the Templar and Guard armors are also a step in the right direction, though they are probably too heavy, they actually have leather joints (though for the record Meredith's armor is pretty bad, with the weaker plating in the gut). 


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Well, I prefer this one :P

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See I never liked this argument. The reason why we don't see men in games running around in really skimpy armor is because a man's power is represented by is strength, whereas a women's power is represented by her beauty. People can argue all they want, but this is just the nature of who we are as human beings. A woman's greatest weapon is her sexuality. I know there are women out there who are really tough, I'm not denying they're existence. But let's look at Rhonda Rousey and Gina Carano. Can they beat up most men they cross paths with? Yes they can. Are they strong as hell? Absolutely. But no matter how tough those women are, men have and always will comment on how beautiful those two women are. Because that's what it comes down to for most guys.

 

This isn't meant to be insulting. I'm not saying all women in games should dress sexy, but I'm just trying to shoot down this whole thing where people say "Well if women wear skimpy armor, how come developers won't do the same for men?" 



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See I never liked this argument. The reason why we don't see men in games running around in really skimpy armor is because a man's power is represented by is strength, whereas a women's power is represented by her beauty. People can argue all they want, but this is just the nature of who we are as human beings. A woman's greatest weapon is her sexuality. I know there are women out there who are really tough, I'm not denying they're existence. But let's look at Rhonda Rousey and Gina Carano. Can they beat up most men they cross paths with? Yes they can. Are they strong as hell? Absolutely. But no matter how tough those women are, men have and always will comment on how beautiful those two women are. Because that's what it comes down to for most guys.

 

This isn't meant to be insulting. I'm not saying all women in games should dress sexy, but I'm just trying to shoot down this whole thing where people say "Well if women wear skimpy armor, how come developers won't do the same for men?" 

 

Why is it that women's power is defined entirely by what men think? If women always comment how attractive a man is, is he defined by his beauty?


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I disagree. Stomach, upper legs, waist regions all look far less protected than the male inquisitor. I don't think wanting something that is proportionately sized for a female warrior is bad. I know in DA:O a lot of the armors looked like they went through the drier a few too many times. Very much took me out of the realm everytime I saw my female character. I just think that wanting "massive armor" that doesn't completely cover the form of the hero is incredibly contradictory. 

 

True, the male version looks like he's wearing some scale mail, and I don't know why hers does not have that.  Still, leather is much more protective than nothing, and I don't think that little sash around his waist is protecting his vitals any better than her leather shirt is, nor are his pants any more protective just because they're a bit more baggy.

 

This is a damned if you and a damned if you don't situation for developers.

 

If a developer dares to give players a wide choice, you can be assured that there will be a self-righteous group of selfish persons who are outraged that not all 100% of armours were tailored for them, as if they are the only ones who matter. I recall the Dalish leather and even FemShep's evening dress came under fire even though there were dozens of armours to choose from.

 

The Skyrim modding community is the most mind boggling. There are people going round telling off authors of sexy armours. It's almost like they are being forced to install the mods against their will or something.

 

Femshep's evening dress sucked because it was too tight for her (a dress should never pucker at the seams) and it had a zipper on the butt.  it was the only non-military outfit available for her, so if you didn't want to put her in it, she had to wear a uniform.  Broshep got an awesome leather N7 jacket.  Where's my N7 jacket?  

 

And if you play a Dalish origin, you're forced to wear the tiny belly shirt at the beginning.  Even after I got better armour for myself, I had a hard time finding decent light armour for the rogues, and poor Leliana was stuck wearing it for half the game.


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