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[Seraphim24]

The crowd that wants to see designs either drawn directly from history or loosely inspired by it, is fairly consistent. 

 

Fairly consistently boring.

 

By the way your statement is tinged with sexism, because you know, it's not like feminine or frilly outfits are part of history or whatever. It's only war and conflict that defined history, not sex apparently. I'm willing to bet plenty of frilly outfits are "part of history."

 

Honestly I don't even really care at this point though, it's not the kind of game for me apparently, anymore, as everyone here has made clear. Even though it was a part of DA:O at least (Morrigan), and I don't know why it wasn't carried forward.

[Puppy Love]

I don't know what you mean exactly. Is it something like in this Jeanne d'Arc drawing ?

 

Oh I quite like this actually.

[AresKeith]

Well we're dealing with Orlais now, so where's my frilly armor with bows and pretty colors?

 

If you've seen the recent gameplay videos, the Freeman group seems to be Orlesian 

[Giant ambush beetle]

Even though it was a part of DA:O at least (Morrigan), and I don't know why it wasn't carried forward.

 

Morrigan didn't wear armor, she wore robes. 

[SardaukarElite]

Those aren't showing much skin and they all do have pretty feminine "flair" as far as I see it.

 

Only if you think large spheres are feminine.

 

 

Whereas feminine flair is damn near impossible find, and even the hint of it being desired is shot down and treated like some kind of attempt to bring about the anti-christ, or unseal the gates of hell.

 

Sexualised armour is a heated debate, so bringing up a desire for more feminine designs is like stepping into the crossfire. A lot of people aren't / weren't sure what your argument is.

 

A lot of people are probably apathetic on the matter though.

[AresKeith]

Fairly consistently boring.

 

By the way your statement is tinged with sexism, because you know, it's not like feminine or frilly outfits are part of history or whatever. It's only war and conflict that defined history, not sex apparently. I'm willing to bet plenty of frilly outfits are "part of history.".

 

Again you're making assumptions of people and branding them for no reason

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Talking about Orlais and how it would affect our outfits reminded me of this.

[The Baconer]

Well we're dealing with Orlais now, so where's my frilly armor with bows and pretty colors?

 

I guess it just depends on how much armor in DA:I will have a distinctly Orlesian flavor.

 

The problem is that Orlais is such a parody of itself that anything created to look "distinctly Orlesian" will likely be a nauseating monstrosity. See the Golden Prince's Raiment.

[Puppy Love]

Only if you think large spheres are feminine.

 

 

 

Sexualised armour is however a heated debate, so bringing up a desire for more feminine designs is like stepping into the crossfire. A lot of people aren't / weren't sure what your argument is.

 

A lot of people are probably apathetic on the matter though.

Sadly feminine designs in armor is quite literally stuck in the middle of these two fronts.  The issue being trying fight the baby being thrown out with the bath water. 

 

The feminine qualities being the baby, and the skimp ware being the bath water.  In the fight against skimp ware, the baby is being thrown out too.

[Han Shot First]

I'm not talking about armor that's skimp ware or revealing, I'm talking feminine flair, softer colors, feminine cloth additions to add more feminine traits, hinting at more feminine design.

 

As for loosely inspired by real world history, I have a problem with how that's interpreted.  In real world history armor was designed by and for men.  All flair was designed with masculine intent.  Thedus is not our world or history.  Women can and are warriors just the same as men.  Therefore I find following the real world flair concept horrible limited and completely ignores that Thedus is not our world and should not follow our male only flair designs.

 

There is no reason we should stick to real world limitations on flair.

 

 

 

I agree to a certain extent. That is why I also mentioned designs that are 'loosely inspired' by history. Some features that are present on armor designed for men, would also have been present had it been designed for women. One of those would be complete protection of vital areas. Those vital areas would be the chest and the abdomen, and probably the thigh as well. Being stabbed or cut in the thigh could be fatal, as the femoral artery runs through it. Warriors who wore armor always had those areas protected either directly by armor, or in the case of warriors who did not wear armor on their upper legs (like the Greeks or Romans), by large shields that their legs were behind. At the very least no female warrior in the game should wear armor that leaves her chest or abdomen unprotected.

 

 

 

As for people saying anything against those crazy pauldrons and spikes, this, once again, is a I don't like it response people give when forced to concede a point, not a hostile campaign to have it removed or kept from the game or games.

 

You're wrong in assuming that people only mentioned them to 'concede a point.' There have been multiple discussions about armor on these forums for years, and as its an area that interests me, I've probably taken part in most of them. And it is something that the realism crowd consistently rails against. I've complained about it myself. And I've never seen anyone complain about skimpy female armors and then go on to say they'd like to see the male characters look like space marines from Warhammer. Again, the realism crowd is fairly consistent in what they like and don't like. I think you're confusing two entirely different groups of people who have different tastes, and who disagree with each other as much as the realism crowd disagrees with you.

 

In DA:O I had my warrior Cousland wear medium armor that provided less protection stat-wise because the heavy and massive armors looked far too big and bulky. I've griped about oversized male armor since DA:O.

 

 

[Puppy Love]

I guess it just depends on how much armor in DA:I will have a distinctly Orlesian flavor.

 

The problem is that Orlais is such a parody of itself that anything created to look "distinctly Orlesian" will likely be a nauseating monstrosity. See the Golden Prince's Raiment.

Which could suck while looking for sensibly feminine.

[AresKeith]

I guess it just depends on how much armor in DA:I will have a distinctly Orlesian flavor.

 

The problem is that Orlais is such a parody of itself that anything created to look "distinctly Orlesian" will likely be a nauseating monstrosity. See the Golden Prince's Raiment.

 

Hopefully DA:I scales down the size of that thing

[Kharn-ivor]

Fairly consistently boring.

So only JRPGs arent boring ? Everything else too tame for you ? Maybe you just lack subtlety?

 

I've been around a lot of game artist and a lot think design is just off the wall, mostly overly intricate where the silouette gets completely lost.

When this is what they think batman should look like , I'm glad they arent making all our games

http://www.technobuf...ra-Batman-2.jpg

[Puppy Love]

I agree to a certain extent. That is why I also mentioned designs that are 'loosely inspired' by history. Some features that are present on armor designed for men, would also have been present had it been designed for women. One of those would be complete protection of vital areas. Those vital areas would be the chest and the abdomen, and probably the thigh as well. Being stabbed or cut in the thigh could be fatal, as the femoral artery runs through it. Warriors who wore armor always had those areas protected either directly by armor, or in the case of warriors who did not wear armor on their upper legs (like the Greeks or Romans), by large shields that their legs were behind. At the very least no female warrior in the game should wear armor that leaves her chest or abdomen unprotected.

 

 

 

You're wrong in assuming that people only mentioned them to 'concede a point.' There have been multiple discussions about armor on these forums for years, and as its an area that interests me, I've probably taken part in most of them. And it is something that the realism crowd consistently rails against. I've complained about it myself. And I've never seen anyone complain about skimpy female armors and then go on to say they'd like to see the male characters look like space marines from Warhammer. Again, the realism crowd is fairly consistent in what they like and don't like. I think you're confusing two entirely different groups of people who have different tastes, and who disagree with each other as much as the realism crowd disagrees with you.

 

In DA:O I had my warrior Cousland wear medium armor that provided less protection stat-wise because the heavy and massive armors looked far too big and bulky. I've griped about oversized male armor since DA:O.

And I don't think ribbons and bows to accent the armor, as well as some frilly additions to cloth covering for the armored skirt to make it more reminiscent of a dress all while still providing all it's required protection is stepping outside what should be acceptable.

[Han Shot First]

Fairly consistently boring.

 

By the way your statement is tinged with sexism, because you know, it's not like feminine or frilly outfits are part of history or whatever. It's only war and conflict that defined history, not sex apparently. I'm willing to bet plenty of frilly outfits are "part of history."

 

Honestly I don't even really care at this point though, it's not the kind of game for me apparently, anymore, as everyone here has made clear. Even though it was a part of DA:O at least (Morrigan), and I don't know why it wasn't carried forward.

 

You're fairly consistent in resorting to ridiculous strawmen. I said nothing of the sort. What I did say, was that the realism crowd was fairly consistent in railing against armor designs that were outlandish, whether plate bikinis or the oversized Warhammer-style male designs. In other words, they don't have different standards for male and female characters. I'm not sure where you got 'sexism' from that.

 

But by all means, continue with the Don Quixote routine. It says more about you than it does the people you label as sexist.

[xkg]

Oh I quite like this actually.

 

Ok then, we do agree. On both accounts.

 

I too don't like those ridiculous armor designs (including mega pauldorns). 

I already posted about that a few pages back.

 

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For sure not the mage version of champion armor.

 

I think it is even more ridiculous than half-naked armor made purely to looks sexy. Its not practical at all.

 

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What is that thing on her chest ?

What is that thing on her right shoulder ?

 

Hawke is right handed and as a mage, is wearing a staff so ,I guess, in close combat she should be using some kind of staff/spear fighting technique.

If so why is her right arm protected not her left arm. With this kind of weapon, her stance would expose her unarmed arm and protect her safe side.

 

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And more armor designs, like that one in the Jeanne D'arc drawing would be welcomed.

[Seraphim24]

Again you're making assumptions of people and branding them for no reason

 

I just say what I see, what makes sense, same as everyone.

Morrigan didn't wear armor, she wore robes. 

 

Like this. I'm supposed to take at face value that Morrigan is just this pure mage character, and it's ok for mages to be different because it's somehow more "realistic?" Mages don't exist. Why don't mages wear armor? They could surely be protected, because it hinders their spellcasting? Spellcasting doesn't exist. I'm continually blown away by how so many people think this work of complete fiction needs rules or justifications for anything.

 

No, the reason that makes sense to me is that Morrigan's character as being more adventurous personality wise and this is reflected in her clothing, an overall profile created to be fun and interesting for the player. This reason drawn from my basic interpretation of humanity is much more sensible to me and so I adopt it.

[Voragoras]

Fairly consistently boring.

 

By the way your statement is tinged with sexism, because you know, it's not like feminine or frilly outfits are part of history or whatever. It's only war and conflict that defined history, not sex apparently. I'm willing to bet plenty of frilly outfits are "part of history."

 

Honestly I don't even really care at this point though, it's not the kind of game for me apparently, anymore, as everyone here has made clear. Even though it was a part of DA:O at least (Morrigan), and I don't know why it wasn't carried forward.

 

When people are talking specifically about war, it is generally assumed that the conversation will centre mostly around war. Don't be deliberately obtuse just to try and justify cawing "sexism!" when it's clear to everybody that there's no sexism actually involved.

[Han Shot First]

I just say what I see, what makes sense, same as everyone.

 

 

I've you've made a post in this thread that makes sense, I've yet to see it.

[SardaukarElite]

Sadly feminine designs in armor is quite literally stuck in the middle of these two fronts.  The issue being trying fight the baby being thrown out with the bath water. 

 

That's silly.

 

You can take any design you want and put feminine touches on it. Start with a real world armour design, fit it to a woman, then add feminine stylings.

 

More to the point, what's been shown in DA has clearly moved away from stupid sexy armour, so you can ask them to put feminine styling on without asking them to go back to clevage windows and miniskirts.

[Seraphim24]

You're fairly consistent in resorting to ridiculous strawmen. I said nothing of the sort. What I did say, was that the realism crowd was fairly consistent in railing against armor designs that were outlandish, whether plate bikinis or the oversized Warhammer-style male designs. In other words, they don't have different standards for male and female characters. I'm not sure where you got 'sexism' from that.

You said that you wanted designs that were more "inspired by history," I simply said, why can't attractive outfits be inspired by history? It's not like dating and sex and attractive outfits didn't exist in the previous 65 million years of human history. Simple as that.

 

So I answered your question preemptively, by suggesting that particular history was not of interest to you due to sexism, that history meant only the history of war and conflict (and other, traditionally manly things). It seemed to me an inherent implication from your original statement, in fact, it would simply follow logically. I'm not trying to make you feel bad or something.

 

I still don't understand this bubble people are living in where everything has to follow certain rules. I personally play games to be surprised and entertained, yes sometimes the more things make sense the more I enjoy the game, but to pretend like no imagination or basic carnal instinct and desire isn't a part of the pleasure of the gaming is to be blind of one of the cornerstones of human nature.

[AresKeith]

I just say what I see, what makes sense, same as everyone.

 

No you don't, you just throw around words try to brand people because they don't agree with what you want

[EdwinLi]

I take both because the game allows players to craft the best armor in the game through the crafting system.

 

You just need the best mats to make the best Armor and Weapon in the game.

[Puppy Love]

That's silly.

 

You can take any design you want and put feminine touches on it. Start with a real world armour design, fit it to a woman, then add feminine stylings.

 

More to the point, what's been shown in DA has clearly moved away from stupid sexy armour, so you can ask them to put feminine styling on without asking them to go back to clevage windows and miniskirts.

To be fair armor already comes with a form of mini skirt   As for the boob window and stuff, is...  I really should get around to creating a thread for this instead of fighting for it in threads about skimpy armor as it's not what I'm talking about.