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[Seraphim24]

When people overlook exploding blood magic bomb explosions and herculean feats and the presence of freaking elves and alien looking things (Qunari) and then fixate on the mere fact that this relatively hot looking character outfit is somehow the only impractical thing in this wild and mixed up universe, then call me crazy but that starts to look like some kind of irrational fear of sexuality rather than logical analysis.

 

Qunari don't exist (well as far as we know) at all so therefore practicality judges they shouldn't exist in game. Women shouldn't even be able to use two hand swords, and who knows what else.

[Muspade]

When people overlook exploding blood magic bomb explosions and herculean feats and the presence of freaking elves and alien looking things (Qunari) and then fixate on the mere fact that this relatively hot looking character outfit is somehow the only impractical thing, then call me crazy but that starts to look like some kind of irrational fear of sexuality rather than logical analysis.

Qunari don't exist at all so therefore practicality judges they shouldn't exist in game. Women shouldn't even be able to use two hand swords, and who knows what else.

 

I swear, it's becoming a trend for me to bash my head against my desk everytime you post something.

Also, why can't women use two handed swords? Are you high?

 

[Lennard Testarossa]

When people overlook exploding blood magic bomb explosions and herculean feats and the presence of freaking elves and alien looking things (Qunari) and then fixate on the mere fact that this relatively hot looking character outfit is somehow the only impractical thing in this wild and mixed up universe, then call me crazy but that starts to look like some kind of irrational fear of sexuality rather than logical analysis.

 

I'll say it as often as I have to: "It has dragons" is not an argument for anything other than the existence of dragons itself.

[Shadow Fox]

Indeed, why aren't all the characters nunnified! I demand that all this excess of skin be censored eternally! Think of the children!

 

Seriously, when did video games get taken over by stiffs and hall monitors? Don't you guys have a city council meeting or something to attend?

More like: Why are female Rogue characters forced to have cleavage rather then simply include some armor that don't leave the goods partially exposed as  a bullseye to stab or shoot at?

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When people overlook exploding blood magic bomb explosions and herculean feats and the presence of freaking elves and alien looking things (Qunari) and then fixate on the mere fact that this relatively hot looking character outfit is somehow the only impractical thing in this wild and mixed up universe, then call me crazy but that starts to look like some kind of irrational fear of sexuality rather than logical analysis.

 

Qunari don't exist (well as far as we know) at all so therefore practicality judges they shouldn't exist in game. Women shouldn't even be able to use two hand swords, and who knows what else.

 

Are you proposing an all or nothing solution to realism in fantasy games? Because if something should be based on all realism, then video games would not be fun regardless of the setting.  On the flip side, it should be all fantastical with no rhyme or reason?  I am calling BS on your logic.

 

Some people want some grounding in reality in their games, it helps with immersion.  Most people know that there are things in games that don't exist but that's okay, it's a part of pretending. 

[Phnx]

Well, I prefer this one

It seems I can't read. Which one's the female again?!

 

I'd choose an awesome armor over a sexy one any day.

 

Ever heard of the english longbow? Has the same effect vs. plate armor.

[Seraphim24]

Many attempts to directly mirror reality strike me as far more unrealistic than whatever "fantasy" a person conjures up. It's not "realistic" to me that if a person gets a fantasy role playing video game, they want to dress like they're at church which is where the boring lets do what society demands comes in, instead, the fantasy for a lot of people is to get things really attractive. They just want to look cool.

 

It's a realistic fantasy that people want a character to look good, it is an unrealistic fantasy to directly mirror reality and dress a person like they need to adhere to the high school dress code. Dreams and fantasies are more real to people than many of the "realities" they often face. If you fixate on representing superficial realities (oh, they wore this in the 18th century), then you neglect the spirtual and metaphysical ones (even though people in the 18th century wore this, I bet if they could they would of really wanted to wear this).

[Joseph Warrick]

When people overlook exploding blood magic bomb explosions and herculean feats and the presence of freaking elves and alien looking things (Qunari) and then fixate on the mere fact that this relatively hot looking character outfit is somehow the only impractical thing in this wild and mixed up universe, then call me crazy but that starts to look like some kind of irrational fear of sexuality rather than logical analysis.

 

Qunari don't exist (well as far as we know) at all so therefore practicality judges they shouldn't exist in game. Women shouldn't even be able to use two hand swords, and who knows what else.

 

It's about making a believable world. You set up the rules of the world (which you invent), and then you create the rest according to such rules. Then you have a world 100% invented by you and still believable. If you for example invent a planet that orbits around two suns, then you should account for that. Can't have just pretty landscapes and everything else is just like on earth. This is why there is no North, South, East or West in Discworld.

 

So what explanation could we possibly give to have Cassandra go to war in a bikini? Remember she's not there to have sex (so sexuality has little to do with the outfit), but to kill her enemies.

 

Also, I don't think it's fair to say people only point out this as the only impractical thing. For example, the issue of Hawke wearing robes and a staff while trying to hide from the templars and how jarring it was. It's another example of the game not playing by its own rules. So it's not the only thing. We're talking about this in this thread and we'll talk about other cases in other threads.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I prefer there to be options of each type of armor. That way everyone can wear the style of armor they prefer. 

[Muspade]

Many attempts to directly mirror reality strike me as far more unrealistic than whatever "fantasy" a person conjures up. It's not "realistic" to me that if a person gets a fantasy role playing video game, they want to dress like they're at church

Stopped reading there. Apparently all wars were like attending a session in church.

[Notshauna]

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I like most of those armors but none of them would realistically work, the lack of coverage of the first image's midriff (in armor), the second has poorly covered thighs (which are great locations for convex metal as they matter little for mobility and contain a large number of important blood vessels and muscles) and the third has slightly concave chest armor (this is a really bad thing because it actually deflects blows into the center of the chest).

 

But, my point wasn't that armor has to be realistic just that if they had to actually maintain realistic armor it would be HIGHLY limiting, by not having to follow all the rules you can successfully make a more stunning and creative armor design, and at times that includes things like boobplate, boob windows and other unrealistic design decisions.

[Dheariams]

To me it depends on the armor type. heavier armors like plate/ring/chain functional is good. now if you want to get sexier with leather and cloth thats understandable, because really in the end how much protection will cloth really give you to daggers/swords/axes ect.

[Seraphim24]

More like: Why are female Rogue characters forced to have cleavage rather then simply include some armor that don't leave the goods partially exposed as  a bullseye to stab or shoot at?

 

Why are females forced to have cleavage? I don't know I guess god hates men or something and wants them to experience desire or enjoyment or something.

 

Wouldn't it be nice to live in a world free of any sexual stimulation of any kind? That would be great, everyone in nice white box, no one ever experiencing any pleasure, everyone clothed to the teeth and free of anything that indicates any sexual elements.

 

I think the game you are looking for is called "1984," by George Orwell.

[Shadow Fox]

Many attempts to directly mirror reality strike me as far more unrealistic than whatever "fantasy" a person conjures up. It's not "realistic" to me that if a person gets a fantasy role playing video game, they want to dress like they're at church which is where the boring lets do what society demands comes in, instead, the fantasy for a lot of people is to get things really attractive. They just want to look cool.

 

It's a realistic fantasy that people want a character to look good, it is an unrealistic fantasy to directly mirror reality and dress a person like they need to adhere to the high school dress code. Dreams and fantasies are more real to people than many of the "realities" they often face. If you fixate on representing superficial realities (oh, they wore this in the 18th century), then you neglect the spirtual and metaphysical ones (even though people in the 18th century wore this, I bet if they could they would of really wanted to wear this).

What's attractive varies from person to person regardless of what the media tries to tell you.

 

And to many people skimpy armor doesn't look good.

[King_Icon]

more femenist armor hating?

 

i want my tanks to be able to wear somthing like this

 

 

 

While my Qunari wears stuff like this

 

 

 

 

 

 

I mean its a fantasy game why should people be restricted to what they wear all because SOME PEOPLE are so insacure with their bodies that even characters in a video game must succomb to their insacure dress code i want a hot badass female in my part who is not afraid to be strong but sexy and smart at the same time like wonder woman or for an example closer to a game like DAI

 

RED SONJA

Hard, savage, and yet magnificently feminine

[Cyonan]

Why are females forced to have cleavage? I don't know I guess god hates men or something and wants them to experience desire or enjoyment or something.

 

Wouldn't it be nice to live in a world free of any sexual stimulation of any kind? That would be great, everyone in nice white box, no one ever experiencing any pleasure, everyone clothed to the teeth and free of anything that indicates any sexual elements.

 

I think the game you are looking for is called "1984," by George Orwell.

 

Obviously because I don't want my character running around showing off cleavage all the time means that I want everybody to be a nun in a 1984-esque world.

 

Because having a choice is a bad thing, and everybody should be forced to use the armour that you personally like. If they don't then they're just doing everything that society demands of them.

[Notshauna]

Also, why can't women use two handed swords? Are you high?

Considering how much those swords weigh I'd be hard pressed to see anyone who is capable to using them as effectively or consistently as the PCs and NPCs in Dragon Age. Seriously I don't think I could lift some of the more fancy broadswords over my head, much less swing it with ease.

 

Are you proposing an all or nothing solution to realism in fantasy games? Because if something should be based on all realism, then video games would not be fun regardless of the setting.  On the flip side, it should be all fantastical with no rhyme or reason?  I am calling BS on your logic.

 

Some people want some grounding in reality in their games, it helps with immersion.  Most people know that there are things in games that don't exist but that's okay, it's a part of pretending. 

While maintaining internally consistency is important it's also shouldn't be used as an excuse to limit the armor designs, as long as everyone implicitly agrees with the belief that what makes Hawke or the Warden or the Inquisitor or their NPC companions can survive greatsword swings in cloth or leather armor they should be able to expand it to what I refer to as battle lingerie. 

 

Ever heard of the english longbow? Has the same effect vs. plate armor.

A lot of weapons do that to armor, it's by the very nature that it's far easier to direct force into a location than spread it around.

[King_Icon]

all in allim tired of you femenist trying to force your dress codes on people just use the armor you want and let others use the armor they want

[Giant ambush beetle]

more femenist armor hating?
 
i want my tanks to be able to wear somthing like this
 

 

That guy isn't even able to lift his arms without squishing his head and neck. Thats one hell of a nice looking metal strait jacket. 

[King_Icon]

It seems I can't read. Which one's the female again?!

 

Ever heard of the english longbow? Has the same effect vs. plate armor.

i think she would like to have a word with you

she seems to be doing just fine

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While maintaining internally consistency is important it's also shouldn't be used as an excuse to limit the armor designs, as long as everyone implicitly agrees with the belief that what makes Hawke or the Warden or the Inquisitor or their NPC companions can survive greatsword swings in cloth or leather armor they should be able to expand it to what I refer to as battle lingerie. 

 

 

 

I actually never gave a definitive answer to what I believe looks good on characters on purpose.  Mainly because everyone has their own way of immersing themselves in games and are not bothered by certain details while others are.  That's why modding is awesome even when I shake my head when I see someone wearing chainmail bikini and a hairstyle Beyonce would die for while wielding a sword into swaths of hurlocks. 

[Cyonan]

all in allim tired of you femenist trying to force your dress codes on people just use the armor you want and let others use the armor they want

 

In general there are people being stupid on both sides of it and want it to be an "all or nothing" sort of deal.

 

Ideally we would have both types of armours and be able to choose for ourselves which one we want to use. On PC at least, the modding community will ensure that this is the case.

[The Hierophant]

DA being fantasy doesn't mean it's okay disregard lore consistency.

As we have seen in DAO the Warden was nearly killed by a single arrow. So unless the person is Tallis or the second coming of Dassem Ultor or Fingolfin, Thedosians seriously need to cover up on the battlefield.

[Notshauna]

That guy isn't even able to lift his arms without squishing his head and neck. Thats one hell of a nice looking metal strait jacket. 

Yeah there isn't a person alive who could take a step in that.

 

All in all I don't like this discussion too much, I want there to be more games with Battle Lingerie just as I want more games with realistic armor designs, or games with high fantasy armor designs full of the casual disregard of the laws of physics (both overly large and with armor that doesn't work). I just like armor and like how it works, big or small, TERA or /r/armoredwomen and I don't want to have to choose.

[Shadow Fox]

I like most of those armors but none of them would realistically work, the lack of coverage of the first image's midriff (in armor), the second has poorly covered thighs (which are great locations for convex metal as they matter little for mobility and contain a large number of important blood vessels and muscles) and the third has slightly concave chest armor (this is a really bad thing because it actually deflects blows into the center of the chest).

 

But, my point wasn't that armor has to be realistic just that if they had to actually maintain realistic armor it would be HIGHLY limiting, by not having to follow all the rules you can successfully make a more stunning and creative armor design, and at times that includes things like boobplate, boob windows and other unrealistic design decisions.

Oh I agree I just wanted to know what you thought of them.

 

I like them because they're flattering and feminine but not overly sexualized and look semi-functional as armor.