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I'm fully expecting the plot to be shite given who wrote it, but I had hoped the gameplay could provide some enterntainment. Ah well, it only cost about £3 so no big loss if it doesn't
It's OK. Gameplay can get repetitive, no real RPs, but fun Hack&slash.
Can't we have both types of armor? Why is it taboo for the females to have skimpy armor now?
Iron Bull goes out bare chested like a boss, and I haven't seen any men complain. If someone wants to be a knight in full plate, or a half naked barbarian let them IMO
Can't we have both types of armor? Why is it taboo for the females to have skimpy armor now?
Iron Bull goes out bare chested like a boss, and I haven't seen any men complain. If someone wants to be a knight in full plate, or a half naked barbarian let them IMO
Here's my question. What's your definition of skimpy armor? If you look at Iron Bull yeah it's "skimpy" but it isn't sexualized.
What Kefka and his ilk are saying they want is sexualized armor. Armor that serves to give male teenagers a boner, quite frankly. Skimpy and sexualized are two very different things.
This is "skimpy." But it is not sexualized. If this was an option available either from the Dalish or Qunari side of things, I think I could agree with it being in the game. Whether we see anything like that is hard to say. Is it practical for protection? No, and I imagine it would be light and low level armor for that very reason if it were in the game is my guess. But it is something like the Iron Bull. Skimpy but not sexualized.
This is sexualized armor. THIS is what people are probably more arguing against. It isn't practical for ANY reason, not even cultural. It makes no lore sense, has no lore basis, and quite frankly, is stupid/childish.
Yes to skimpy armor in the vain of the former, so long as it has an Iron Bull equivalent. No to the latter, if you want that go watch porn, hentai, or play a JRPG.
Can't we have both types of armor? Why is it taboo for the females to have skimpy armor now?
Iron Bull goes out bare chested like a boss, and I haven't seen any men complain. If someone wants to be a knight in full plate, or a half naked barbarian let them IMO
Thing is, Bull going out like that is not completely inconsistent with the setting - Qunari have been portrayed as, for the most part, avoiding armour. Now, it remains to be seen how things will play out when you equip him. If I give him a set of full plate and he still looks like that, then yes, I will complain.
And sure, if you want to be a half-naked barbarian, be one. As long as there are consequeneces for doing so - i.e. you have no armour and die really easily (and no, you don't get extra dexterity, armour is not particularly encumbering). Similarly, if there are any NPCs in the world like that, then they should be portrayed as either too poor to afford armour, from a culture that avoids armour (e.g. the Qunari) or downright stupid for not wearing it and regardless of which of these it is, they should have no damage reduction due to them not wearing armour.
If people are going around in skimpy outfits in a culture that wears armour - as most of Thedas has shown to be - and in a setting in which armour works like it does in reality - which DA has been shown to be - then it breaks the immersion of the game. Those people are simply not believable characters.
Can't we have both types of armor? Why is it taboo for the females to have skimpy armor now?
Iron Bull goes out bare chested like a boss, and I haven't seen any men complain. If someone wants to be a knight in full plate, or a half naked barbarian let them IMO
I kinda agree, in an ideal situation that would be the best.(provide it fit the context of the setting of course)
But I think, personally, most negative came from the fact that armor-kinis were the overwhelming majority/ default setting for women, so people want to change that.
There actually was a lot of complain, before it was shown that he can equip a full armour.Can't we have both types of armor? Why is it taboo for the females to have skimpy armor now?
Iron Bull goes out bare chested like a boss, and I haven't seen any men complain. If someone wants to be a knight in full plate, or a half naked barbarian let them IMO
Here's my question. What's your definition of skimpy armor? If you look at Iron Bull yeah it's "skimpy" but it isn't sexualized.
What Kefka and his ilk are saying they want is sexualized armor. Armor that serves to give male teenagers a boner, quite frankly. Skimpy and sexualized are two very different things.
This is "skimpy." But it is not sexualized. If this was an option available either from the Dalish or Qunari side of things, I think I could agree with it being in the game. Whether we see anything like that is hard to say. Is it practical for protection? No, and I imagine it would be light and low level armor for that very reason if it were in the game is my guess. But it is something like the Iron Bull. Skimpy but not sexualized.
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Yes that's really what it comes down to. I don't care for sexualised armor at all. It immediately makes me cringe every time. I don't have a problem with revealing armor, when it makes sense but I don't care to see it just because sex sells. It's cheap and it doesn't belong in a setting like this one.
Now it does belong let's say in Saints Row, or highly magical improbable worlds found in many anime settings. If everything is over the top, do what you like honestly. But if you are trying to be genuine or provide something more down to earth and probable, even with magic existing like in DA, it's just out of place, and would seem hypocritical if let's say such armor would be seen only on women.
But they are not doing that and they know we prefer armor that is relevant to the setting. We have been quite clear on that in the ME forums if I recall after ME2.
Here's my question. What's your definition of skimpy armor? If you look at Iron Bull yeah it's "skimpy" but it isn't sexualized.
What Kefka and his ilk are saying they want is sexualized armor. Armor that serves to give male teenagers a boner, quite frankly. Skimpy and sexualized are two very different things.
This is "skimpy." But it is not sexualized. If this was an option available either from the Dalish or Qunari side of things, I think I could agree with it being in the game. Whether we see anything like that is hard to say. Is it practical for protection? No, and I imagine it would be light and low level armor for that very reason if it were in the game is my guess. But it is something like the Iron Bull. Skimpy but not sexualized.
This is sexualized armor. THIS is what people are probably more arguing against. It isn't practical for ANY reason, not even cultural. It makes no lore sense, has no lore basis, and quite frankly, is stupid/childish.
Yes to skimpy armor in the vain of the former, so long as it has an Iron Bull equivalent. No to the latter, if you want that go watch porn, hentai, or play a JRPG.
Yeah, I kinda agree with this. As I noted in my response to the point raised about Bull wearing little armour, I'm happy with the first outfit provided (i) the reasons for wearing it are explained, or at least implied (so typically, this will be the character coming from a culture in which armour is disregarded, either through a lack of resources or a cultural belief that it is a "sign of weakness", or possibly that she's just an idiot who's seen to many over-eroticised paintings of female warriors....) and (ii) the consequences of wearing such "armour" are presented. Which is to say, it's not armour at all, there are no protective benefits gained from wearing it.
The latter image is utterly ridiculous though. But even then, if that was how a setting worked, if that outfit was consistent with the rest of the those in that world, fine. It certainly doesn't adhere to my tastes, and is clearly nothing more that a rather pathetic attempt to pander to hormone-fueled teenage boys, but if that's the world you're trying to create, fine. Just be consistent and give everyone ridiculous armour
It's when you see that latter design in a setting like DA - or even the first design without some form of justification - that I have real problems, as it's utterly inconsistent with everything else the world presents. And the reverse is true - in a setting in which skimpy oversexualised armour is the norm, seeing someone in full plate is ridiculous as there's clearly no benefits to wearing it.
There is also another matter when it comes to acceptable skimpy armour, and that's whether there is any logic to it being skimpy. Personally, I'd say any actual armour with exposed skin on the torso is essentially sexualised. There is simply no reason for it. If you're just wearing a bit of cloth or leather that provides no protection, as in the above image, fine, reveal all you want. But if you're wearing armour it should, in a setting based roughly on real mechanics, actually be designed to protect you. And making it "skimpy", even if there isn't a concious intent to sexualise the character wearing it, is inconsistent with such a setting.
The males in TERA aren't quite as ridiculous, but still ridiculous:
Armour doesn't mean squat in that game, so go nuts with the idiotic designs, imo.
The latter image is utterly ridiculous though. But even then, if that was how a setting worked, if that outfit was consistent with the rest of the those in that world, fine.
The thing is, it probably isn't.
Stupid sexy armour follows a specific pattern, it adjusts a design to conform to a particular half tight, half falling out notion of female sexuality. Even in an original ridiculous, stylised, setting the female designs will be put through the same system of stupid sexification as they would in a realistic setting - resulting in something far more predictable than otherwise.
Unless of course your setting is so generic that it is consistent, but then you need to change your entire art style anyway.
Wow...that is about as stupid an armour design as I've seen. He goes through the hassle of getting good protection over much of his body, then leaves one of the most important areas to protect - the gut - completely bare. At least with a chainmain bikini/jockstrap you're exposed all over.
But as you say, in TERA, it's consistent with the rest of the designs, and a "realistic" set of armour would probably actually be more immersion breaking.
The thing is, it probably isn't.
Stupid sexy armour follows a specific pattern, it adjusts a design to conform to a particular half tight, half falling out notion of female sexuality. Even in an original ridiculous, stylised, setting the female designs will be put through the same system of stupid sexification as they would in a realistic setting - resulting in something far more predictable than otherwise.
Unless of course your setting is so generic that it is consistent, but then you need to change your entire art style anyway.
Believe me, there are plenty of things where that kind of sexualised armour is the norm and surprisingly consistent across the board, even for men. The aforementionned TERA is a good example. Thre is some more concealing armour, but everyone is so massively oversexualised - even the characters that look like 10 year olds - that armour like that shown never feels out of place or inconsistent with the setting.
Now, certainly, I don't like it. I think it's creepy and very immature. But I don't really have any problems with it's internal consistency.
Believe me, there are plenty of things where that kind of sexualised armour is the norm and surprisingly consistent across the board, even for men. The aforementionned TERA is a good example. Thre is some more concealing armour, but everyone is massively oversexualised - even the characters that look like 10 year olds - that it never feels out of place or inconsistent with the setting.
If the men are muscle covered powerhouses and the women aren't it's not consistent. But regardless, if your male armour is that generic as well your setting is bloody boring.
It's when you see that latter design in a setting like DA - or even the first design without some form of justification - that I have real problems, as it's utterly inconsistent with everything else the world presents. And the reverse is true - in a setting in which skimpy oversexualised armour is the norm, seeing someone in full plate is ridiculous as there's clearly no benefits to wearing it.
Yep thats exactly it, the problem is when some people randomly have less armor for no good reason.
It's obviously mostly a man v women problem but it also happens between classes, I don't see why an archer or mage cant' wear armor as well (and some games do do this )
Before plate was even around some archer worn quite a bit of armor , still I get the idea of class separation but it is getting a bit clicher a this point ^^ 
Are you kidding?This is "skimpy." But it is not sexualized.
Wow...that is about as stupid an armour design as I've seen. He goes through the hassle of getting good protection over much of his body, then leaves one of the most important areas to protect - the gut - completely bare. At least with a chainmain bikini/jockstrap you're exposed all over.
But as you say, in TERA, it's consistent with the rest of the designs, and a "realistic" set of armour would probably actually be more immersion breaking.
I know, it's so stupid. Heavy spiky plate all over! But not too much over, or you won't be able to see his impeccably carved ~abdominals~.
As long as I get a helmet visuals toggle, sneaky looking rogue leathers, and pauldrons that are not too absurdly huge, I'll get by.
The example armors from the last twitch TV (Sera and the Quizzy) were looking pretty good.
Are you kidding?
What do you think was the purpose behind dressing that woman in a piece of rope vs something as simple as having her wear some actual shirt like, I dunno, every single person you can see in the background behind her?
Okay, I wasn't gonna touch this , but it looks like I'm gonna have to add my two cents. Having little clothing in war when you were an archer or skrimisher was the norm in ancient times. The guys in the back are holding spears and shields. That woman is not. She's holding a bow. Realism I think shouldn't even be applied into fantasy games, since wearing full plate for more than an hour is is exhausting not even considering having to fight in it.
Are you kidding?
What do you think was the purpose behind dressing that woman in a piece of rope vs something as simple as having her wear some actual shirt like, I dunno, every single person you can see in the background behind her?
Given that there are records of the 'Woads' as they call them in that film fighting skyclad (bollock naked!) then what they've done is acceptably cover the bits of her that would get in the way when she's running/jumping around. And it's a leather harness, not a rope. If that was from a game, she'd be a rogue. Who mostly get light armour/leathers.
Okay, I wasn't gonna touch this , but it looks like I'm gonna have to add my two cents. Having little clothing in war when you were an archer or skrimisher was the norm in ancient times. The guys in the back are holding spears and shields. That woman is not. She's holding a bow. Realism I think shouldn't even be applied into fantasy games, since wearing full plate for more than an hour is is exhausting not even considering having to fight in it.
Archers and skirmishers wearing lighter or no armour was often not a matter of choice as a matter of access - most people simply couldn't get hold of good armour, so they were put into positions where armour mattered less. It's pretty safe to say that most archers would much rather they had at least a modicum of armour (e.g. a mail shirt), even if perhaps full plate wouldn't not have been ideal.
And wearing full plate was not nearly as bad as is often made out. When properly fitted, the weight was well distributed across the body, significantly reducing the effects of the load, those using it were experienced in doing so and thus used to it's effects, and overheating was only really an issue in hotter climes. Not saying it was a paradise in there, but it wasn't that bad.
Ever watched 300? Now if only all games dress males like that. But of course, only the handsome ones.
300 was weird. I'm not sure why they had the Spartans running around mostly nude. This is what the Spartans actually looked like during the Greco-Persian Wars:
The Spartans wore either a bronze cuirass or a linothorax. The linothorax was basically a form of padded cloth armor. In either case, they weren't fighting with their chests and abdomens exposed.
Granted 300 is mish-mash of history and fantasy and has a comic book style, so its not really meant to be taken seriously, but it did give some people the impression that Spartans actually fought that way. In fact in the past I've seen that used as a defense for stuff like the female Dalish armor.
Yep thats exactly it, the problem is when some people randomly have less armor for no good reason.
It's obviously mostly a man v women problem but it also happens between classes, I don't see why an archer or mage cant' wear armor as well (and some games do do this )
Before plate was even around some archer worn quite a bit of armor , still I get the idea of class separation but it is getting a bit clicher a this point ^^
The Immortals were an elite guard of the Persian empire who also were a heavy infantry not just archers. Eastern armies tend to arm soldiers with swords/pikes AND bows. Even both Persian and Byzantine cataphracts had pikes and bows. It's also somewhat difficult to wear a plate in desert.
The thing about armor is that, until modern techniques and mining came around, it was a heckuva-lot expensive. Even boiled leather, laminated wood or heavy felt is time consuming and hard to produce, and it's cheaper (and less effective in general) than chain mail.
We're spoiled rotten by fairly high tech mining, smelting, and refining. And keeping all that in mind, if you nip down to your local hobby shop and look for a piece of mass produced chain mail to wear... It's STILL expensive. Let alone a piece made by hand for you.
I like what I've seen of the DA:I armor so far. The Inquisitor and Blackwall's heavy armors look a lot better and than the heavy armors of DA:O/ DA2.
The thing about armor is that, until modern techniques and mining came around, it was a heckuva-lot expensive. Even boiled leather, laminated wood or heavy felt is time consuming and hard to produce, and it's cheaper (and less effective in general) than chain mail.
We're spoiled rotten by fairly high tech mining, smelting, and refining. And keeping all that in mind, if you nip down to your local hobby shop and look for a piece of mass produced chain mail to wear... It's STILL expensive. Let alone a piece made by hand for you.
Saw a programme that reconstructed Ancient Greek linen armour, and it was surprisingly good at its job.
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