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But I'm talking about imagery. What you just said is fairly obvious. But you do understand that when it comes to physical attraction, a lot women prefer the toned out or ripped body instead the out of shape ones right?


According to my experiences, no. Skinny is in fashion right now, not muscle, many of my female friends have told me numerous times that they prefer a skinny body build over toned and muscular ones, they have very skinny boyfriends.
I don't know why, and I don't care, thats just what I have observed first hand.

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Eh I like her the way she is.  I don't have an anti large breast bias a lot of people do lately.  There's too large of course, but I think hers teeters nicely right on the edge of that, wouldn't go any bigger.

 

I find it silly how so many people treat odd things like they are dirty, not saying you are, but like large breasts, so often people scoff at them like there's actually something wrong with them now in days.

 

I mean like Solas, a lot of people get angry and some furious because there's a possibility he might only want to be with another elf that's female because he wants to have children and a family someday, as if that would be such a horrible dirty thing.  Is one romance of many and some women like the family ideal.  If that does turn out to be why, I welcome it, I personally like the idea of a romance with a family man.  Must all romance partners hate children and a family or something?

 

Sorry for the random tangent.   I just find certain things odd.  I mean she's a qunari mage in a pretty dress (which are the two things you asked for), and your focus is my preference on breast size rather than the dress and qunari herself. :P

Nah people got pissed because of potential racial purist undertones.



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According to my experiences, no. Skinny is in fashion right now, not muscle, many of my female friends have told me numerous times that they prefer a skinny body build over toned and muscular ones, they have very skinny boyfriends.
I don't know why, and I don't care, thats just what I have observed first hand.

Funny that you say that because my experiences and studies show the opposite.



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I will admit Skyrim did it in about just as much a way as I would expect from a fantasy game. The heavy armors even when on women still looked like they were supposed to protect the vital areas. While not all the armors were flattering, some still managed to look somewhat effective and cool. The Wolf Armor on women looked nice and comfortable, so did the steel armor.


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Both these guys have the same interests as each other, they're both equally funny, charming, well dressed, and smart. The only different is one of them is out of shape, and the other has a very nicely built body. If those 100 woman had to choose one to go out with, I guarantee you the majority are gonna pick the one who's more physically built. Same thing can be said for 100 guys meeting two girls.

 

"If two guys are exactly the same, except in one aspect where one is better, then women will like the one who is better."

 

 

It is what it is.

(...)

When it comes to women wanting to look sexy and attractive, what do a lot of them do? They buy pretty clothes/shoes, wear make up, fix up their hair, worry about their weight, etc etc. And though I don't condone this, some of them take more extreme measures like plastic surgery. On the other hand, what do guys do if they wanna look sexy and attractive? They hit the gym. When it comes to competition, guys will feel threatened by the most physically superior dude in the room, and women will feel threatened by the girl with the hottest face and body.

 

Then show women that they can be more. Hell show men that they can be more as well.


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A mix of both. I do not like female warriors looking like tanks (that Diablo III female barb). If they have to be completely covered to be realistic, so be it (no chaimail bikini is a given), but the armor must still embrace the shape of a woman's body. And yes, that means boobie-plate and a discernible feminine line with tighter waist and larger hips. As a heterosexual male, it is certainly that more pleasant to look at.



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Eh I like her the way she is.  I don't have an anti large breast bias a lot of people do lately.  There's too large of course, but I think hers teeters nicely right on the edge of that, wouldn't go any bigger.

 

I find it silly how so many people treat odd things like they are dirty, not saying you are, but like large breasts, so often people scoff at them like there's actually something wrong with them now in days.

 

I mean like Solas, a lot of people get angry and some furious because there's a possibility he might only want to be with another elf that's female because he wants to have children and a family someday, as if that would be such a horrible dirty thing.  Is one romance of many and some women like the family ideal.  If that does turn out to be why, I welcome it, I personally like the idea of a romance with a family man.  Must all romance partners hate children and a family or something?

 

Sorry for the random tangent.   I just find certain things odd.  I mean she's a qunari mage in a pretty dress (which are the two things you asked for), and your focus is my preference on breast size rather than the dress and qunari herself. :P

 

 

you have a point... and to be clear I'm not anti large breasts I like em just fine but I see alot and I mean a lot of them. and that not from the manga ether.

 

though I'm not sure I call that dress pretty, pattern is boring, colors no good at  at all.  :P

 

p.s. if you read the 2nd part in any voice/tone besides wade's go back and read it again. 



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you have a point... and to be clear I'm not anti large breasts I like em just fine but I see alot and I mean a lot of them. and that not from the manga ether.

 

though I'm not sure I call that dress pretty, pattern is boring, colors no good at  at all.  :P

 

p.s. if you read the 2nd part in any voice/tone besides wade's go back and read it again. 

lol I made the dress with the qunari color palette in mind actually.  I looked at several qunari pics and chose these colors based on them.  Figured putting a dress on a qunari was going enough outside the lines as it was, wanted to catch some of the qunari aesthetics at least ;)

 

So if it's a boring color palette/patterns you have a problem with, take it up with my large qunari friends, "Wade" :P



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It is what it is. First off you need to understand that I'm speaking in general, there's always gonna be exceptions to the rule. Not everyone cares about a person's looks. But for the most part this is just how things are in our culture. How do men get sexier to the public eye? They work out and build muscle. Look at the magazines next time you go to the store. You'll see shirtless guys on the cover ripped with muscle, and women looking pretty in clothes and make up. 

 

When it comes to women wanting to look sexy and attractive, what do a lot of them do? They buy pretty clothes/shoes, wear make up, fix up their hair, worry about their weight, etc etc. And though I don't condone this, some of them take more extreme measures like plastic surgery. On the other hand, what do guys do if they wanna look sexy and attractive? They hit the gym. When it comes to competition, guys will feel threatened by the most physically superior dude in the room, and women will feel threatened by the girl with the hottest face and body.

 

Now, women (and men) are diverse and have different tastes, but I'd hazard to say that what most women find appealing in men is not what most men find appealing in other men.  Here is a visual example of Hugh Jackman on the cover of a women's magazine vs. a man's magazine:

 

Spoiler

 

Male characters and male costume designs are made to look powerful and cool to please male players, not to make them look sexy to women.  


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I wouldn't mind then bringing back the "Dalish Armour" from DAO. That's about as "risqué" that BW gets with female armour. Not that I am complaining, but a wee bit of skin wouldn't kill them. Just as long as I am not forced to wear it. It all about choice with me.


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Inquisition has clothing and I imagine some of it might be tight judging by Sera's. Have the outline of the bum and some might consider that "sexy" armour. Take Triss as an example:

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I can't object to this.

 

The "sexy" armor I hate is stuff that looks absolutely ridiculous like chain-mail bikinis.

 

So long as there's practical armor too then by all means have sexy armor to go with it.

 

According to my experiences, no. Skinny is in fashion right now, not muscle, many of my female friends have told me numerous times that they prefer a skinny body build over toned and muscular ones, they have very skinny boyfriends.
I don't know why, and I don't care, thats just what I have observed first hand.

 
Slim has been in fashion for a long time. Back when they were younger, Bowie and Prince would get all the chicks and neither of them were ripped, toned or muscular.



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I'm personally pretty happy with what they've done in DA.  It's form fitted and in some cases slightly more "feminine" so it helps distinguish the male characters from the females and gives them a nice look while also keeping it practical.  I'm not against "sexy" armour for the most part usually and enjoy it in other games, but I personally think a more modest style is better suited for the Dragon Age game...then again I'm all for variety so I suppose that it would depend on what type of "sexy" armour we are talking about.  How revealing is revealing, I think it'd be a little odd to running around in leather or even chain mail bikinis for example lol.


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I think all the female warriors in the game should be made to dress like this

 

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This is a quite interesting picture as, if you want revealing armour that is at least semi-realistic, then Hellenic style equipment is a good starting point, as protecting the torso with armour wasn't that important. Instead, that was the job of the shield. A properly sized (pre-Macedonian) Hellenic shield would cover the wielder from chin to knee, meaning that the main focus of the armour was to protect the head (hence the large helmets), and the lower leg and forearms (hence the bracers and greaves). The chest armour was more of a backup to this. Of course, this large shield was usually combined with a one-handed spear used overarm (much like a javelin, except not actually thrown), meaning the hoplite could keep their body protected by the shield even when attacking, and they typically fought in formation, meaning their companions could protect their sides, which means the above image isn't perfect, but it's a hell of a lot more plausible than most "sexy" amour. The individual cups for her breasts are still utterly ridiculous though...

 

And of course, as 300 demonstrated, revealing Hellenic "armour" works fine for both sexes...



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I do not want sexy armor, nor will I miss it if it isn't in the game. 

 

If people want to mod their own games, that's fine, but I don't think sexy armor has a place in games anymore. It's a trope that really needs to die. 


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If it's sexy armor then there should be equal choice to female and male characters. Sexy don't bother me if it's choice and both have it. It becomes insulting when all female characters have is sexy and all awesome armors are for male characters. Many games still do this and it's simply just sexist.

 

EDIT: I'm still happy with BW and armors though. In DAO for example some armors are more sexier but they are so for both girls and boys, like some mage armors and rogue armors. I also loved how my warrior lady was able to put on full-armour without some ridiculous heels and boob windows etc. I think DA's style is sexy enough, more wouldn't fit to game and would be just grin-worthy.


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I wouldn't mind then bringing back the "Dalish Armour" from DAO. That's about as "risqué" that BW gets with female armour. Not that I am complaining, but a wee bit of skin wouldn't kill them. Just as long as I am not forced to wear it. It all about choice with me.

 

You never played Neverwinter Nights?

 

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The idea of Cassandra running around in a armor bikini is fun but I am in full support of the simple, yet elegant armor. I mean this is so perfect...

 

 

 


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I will just leave this here.

 

And say that I myself am really glad Bioware is moving further and furhter away from RPGs sexy-female-armor ridiculousness.

You could see even from DAO to DA2 a great decrease of silly female armor design.

 

I mean just look at this studded leather armor set for example:

 

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The differences that you can see comparing the male and female sets of that same armor are so obvious that no one cant seriously say the female armor wasnt made purely as fan service for horny nerd boys back when Bioware developed DAO.


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This is a fantasy game. It is okay to have sexy armor and practical armor in it for both the men and the women.

 

If Iron Bull can wear that pants armor with just one strap over his torso, so can other characters do it. 

 

 Additionally, if one goes nitpicking about every practical issue in a game. then we will have a hard time enjoying them. The main reason we enjoy these types of games so much is because they are about the fantastical and allows for escapism. 


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I will just leave this here.

 

And say that I myself am really glad Bioware is moving further and furhter away from RPGs sexy-female-armor ridiculousness.

You could see even from DAO to DA2 a great decrease of silly female armor design.

 

I mean just look at this studded leather armor set for example:

 

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The differences that you can see comparing the male and female sets of that same armor are so obvious that no one cant seriously say the female armor wasnt made purely as fan service for horny nerd boys back when Bioware developed DAO.

 

 

So Bioware cannot make anything for horny nerdy boys ? However, them making hot, handsome, masculine, buff males to satisfy the horny girls who play games, that's somehow okay ?

 

Making skimpy female armors are not okay but making armor that exposes most of Iron Bull's and male Qunari's chests are okay ? Talk about being a hypocrite. 

 

I do not get this shaming of male gamers and male sexual preferences while glorifying females and female sexual preferences. You either make allowance to satisfy both of them or you don't. Tis' that simple. 

 

I for one would like the inclusion of practical armors and sexy armors for both sexes. This is a fantasy game played by people of both sexes and as such should satisfy both of them. 



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Another thing that comes to mind when designing armour that makes the femininity of women wearing it clear  - not stripperiffic armour, but that which shows somewhat of a woman's curves - is that, from this point of view, the issue is usually plate armour. Which is pretty realistic, plate armour would generally hide the shape of the person wearing it. So, rather than making plate armour "revealing" (which tends to look silly), use other types of armour instead. A suit of mail offers good protection, yet still shows off a fair bit of the wearer's body shape. Look at stuff like this:

 

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Clearly female, yet completely practical. No need for things like chest windows or armoured dresses to demonstrate that that's a woman and a warrior at the same time.

 

Now, I will admit that, in general, this isn't purely a "sexy women" thing. I much prefer the early medieval armour aesthetic, with heavy use of mail and only the odd bit of plate here and there (and no "full plate" type armours) to the exaggerated late medieval style we have in DA, where everyone and his dog is tooled out in full plate heavier than that worn by pretty much any historical knight. And even the so-called "chainmail", is basically plate with a bit of mail at the top. I'd love a few realistic mail coats and the like in DA:I


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The differences that you can see comparing the male and female sets of that same armor are so obvious that no one cant seriously say the female armor wasnt made purely as fan service for horny nerd boys back when Bioware developed DAO.

 

Some of the females in this thread, such as the OP, have stated they do actually like "skimpy" armour. They have stated they like the variety but wish not to be forced into wearing them.


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So Bioware cannot make anything for horny nerdy boys ? However, them making hot, handsome, masculine, buff males to satisfy the horny girls who play games, that's somehow okay ?

 

Making skimpy female armors are not okay but making armor that exposes most of Iron Bull's and male Qunari's chests are okay ? Talk about being a hypocrite. 

 

I do not get this shaming of male gamers and male sexual preferences while glorifying females and female sexual preferences. You either make allowance to satisfy both of them or you don't. Tis' that simple. 

 

I for one would like the inclusion of practical armors and sexy armors for both sexes. This is a fantasy game played by people of both sexes and as such should satisfy both of them. 

 

Wow, talk about missing the point and taking discussion almost totally to offtopic.

 

We are not discussing about Characters physical appeals here mister. That first of all is a topic for another day.

 

And I doubt your argument about Qunari characters armor fewness is entirely valid because we have already seen since DA2 that qunari soliders seem to prefer light armor or non at all.

I think Bioware aimed for an romanticed version of norse beserker look with them, but I cant be sure of course.

 

Putting female armors in DAO massive cleavage just for the sake of it is an entirely different matter.

 

It is just silly and inmature from developers.



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Every time i see boob-plate and its ilk my opinion of humanity is lessened. Those boob shapes? They obstruct  arm movement= no place on the battlefield. Exposed skin= No place on the battlefield.Sexy= NO PLACE ON THE BATTLEFIELD. GAH!   The only skintight armor that is acceptable is leather and thats really just regular clothing.  Ornamentation is one thing, making the actual shape of the armor to be impractical or compromise protection is entirely diffrent.


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Every time i see boob-plate and its ilk my opinion of humanity is lessened. Those boob shapes? They obstruct  arm movement= no place on the battlefield. Exposed skin= No place on the battlefield.Sexy= NO PLACE ON THE BATTLEFIELD. GAH!   The only skintight armor that is acceptable is leather and thats really just regular clothing.  Ornamentation is one thing, making the actual shape of the armor to be impractical or compromise protection is entirely diffrent.

 

Yep, "Boob plate armors" would actually also be dangerous as hell on the battlefield for wearer in real life.

 

As you can see here: http://www.tor.com/b...-would-kill-you


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