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[Kalyppso]

I love playing as a Warden, I love reading about the Wardens, I love learning more about the Wardens - but in this meta decision? I would not choose to be a Warden, and subject myself to the taint like that.

[Br3admax]

The common folk do. 

Only when there's a Blight. Otherwise they don't really care. This is why the Arling of Amaranthine was so important. Outside of the Anderfels, no one cares.  

[DrBlingzle]

True... so the joining, or the harrowing. Both are pretty scary. I think the harrowing has a higher success rate though.

Don't forget though that the wardens would probably only recruit mages who have already passed their harrowing.

[Icy Magebane]

Hell yeah, that should be a prerequisite to the Joining. All recruits get a free night at the Pearl. All expenses paid by the Order. Recruitment would triple inside of a month.

I like the way you think.  Are Warden Commanders elected?  If so, you get my vote.  *thumbs up*

[TheKomandorShepard]

In order to qualify my earlier statement: I would choose the Circle if not for my hostility to the Chantry and its ideology. The conditions in the Circles, if it isn't exactly Kirkwall, tend to be comparably pleasant compared to the life of a Warden and the only disadvantage is the interment. Add the Chantry's ideology, however, and the fact it blames mages in general for the world's greatest evils and associates me with Tevinter magisters, this becomes intolerable.

Yes how dare chantry speak truth those bastards!

 

 

Hell yeah, that should be a prerequisite to the Joining. All recruits get a free night at the Pearl. All expenses paid by the Order. Recruitment would triple inside of a month.

Good luck with having members that joined only because you gave them night in brothel...

[raging_monkey]

Huh, good point.
 
Do we actually know the odds of surviving the joining or anything? Like 50/50 or 60/40?
 
Based entirely of the joinings we've seen in the games its 7 alive, 3 dead I think.

no idea you can wardenfy a dog and age isnt a factor so who knows

[TheKomandorShepard]

Did I mention that the Joining would also take place at the Pearl the following morning? Sanga and I worked something out.

And what you would get corrupted and untrustworthy members that would escape and spread wardens secrets especially about joining.

[animedreamer]

True... so the joining, or the harrowing. Both are pretty scary. I think the harrowing has a higher success rate though. I'd still take the joining, for a chance for my freedom.

 

I don't really get when people argue circle mages shouldn't complain because they are taken care of. If someone locked me up in a luxurious prison for the rest of my life (while I was innocent), I wouldn't really care how fluffy my bed was, I would want my life back, personally. "Don't be such a whiner, we took away your personal freedom and your chance to have a life and family, but we feed you!"

heh heh, To be a Warden you generally have to take the Harrowing and then the Joining if you came from a circle, that's assuming thats how all Circles Work. Maybe apprentices who are gifted don't need to prove themselves before joining the Wardens by taking the Harrowing. We only saw one example of this after all. It might not be true for all Circle given Wardens (Anders being conscripted is a unique case but only the 2nd case we actually see in game.) I suppose if you were an apostate you could always run join the Wardens and avoid the Harrowing all together.

[Serza]

Well, she's now immune to the taint so being a GW (for her) isn't as bad as it is for others.

 

She only went back to the Circle b/c she saw an opportunity for change...I'm pretty sure she liked the freedom of being a GW though.

 

Well, she does say in The Calling that Circle was not as much of an improvement over slavery as being a Warden, if I remember that right...

[Br3admax]

I tend to not listen to the opinions of radicals who get most of the people who follow them killed. Hope she's indistinguishable from Andraste's ashes at this point. 

[Serza]

What? Who? Fiona?

 

I dunno, she seemed very much OK in The Calling.

[animedreamer]

There is no way anyone can tell your a mage unless you do magic. Malcolm only got found out because during his time as a mercenary he made the mistake of doing a spell to save someone else, or i think thats what i read in the wiki, other than that he would have never been found out.

 

Basically be an apostate and care only for your own life when it comes to your magic. I know it sounds selfish but thems the breaks. Use your magic openly and people will know you are a mage. Malcolm Hawke had considerable martial skill despite his magery lol. He could easily pass as a simple mercenary. So if you grew up outside the circle, and learned enough magic not to lose control and summon a demon into yourself or burn some small childs head, you will be just fine so long as you know how to wield a blade.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Warden Mage. Die young and free from being stuck in a stupid tower.

[Br3admax]

What? Who? Fiona?

 

I dunno, she seemed very much OK in The Calling.

No. Nonononono, people don't just become awful. She's been that way for a long time. 

[EmperorKarino]

So if you were a mage would you prefer to be in the circle (no sex or kids allowed, living in the same place for the rest of your life, restricted freedom and (possibly) abusive templars) or as a warden where you have more freedoms but have the certainty of dying within 20-30 years (if not sooner) and having to fight darkspawn for the rest of your life.

 

Personally I would rather be a warden. More freedom, even at the cost of a longer life, is one I would be willing to pay. Also it would be good to know that I am providing a service to thedas whether I am thanked or not.  

 

Edit: Btw I know these are not the only two options when you are a mage (apostate, magister, etc) but out of the two specifically what would you prefer?

 

warden mage.

[Serza]

No. Nonononono, people don't just become awful. She's been that way for a long time. 

 

Huh. Now I feel like I really need to read Asunder.

[animedreamer]

I'd be an apostate, and learn a damn trade. Likely a mercenary, learn how to fight without my magic. If I was a Elf, I'd likely run off to find the Dalish as soon as I heard word of them passing near by. 

 

If I were a woman, Elf or Human, i'd probably become a ******. lol, cast sleep spells on my patrons and when they wake up tell them how wonderful they were lol. XD

[Xilizhra]

Huh. Now I feel like I really need to read Asunder.

She's great in Asunder, fear not.

[Xilizhra]

Sacrifice scores of your contemporaries? Leave it to you, Xil. 

Unnecessary. He pioneered the knowledge on how to do it, and that's where the sacrifices were necessary; he lasted long after all his contemporaries were killed, so clearly you don't have to keep killing people to remain undying.

[animedreamer]

Unnecessary. He pioneered the knowledge on how to do it, and that's where the sacrifices were necessary; he lasted long after all his contemporaries were killed, so clearly you don't have to keep killing people to remain undying.

 

We don't even know if the blood magic he did to extend his life came from his compatriots, he could have done that long after the last of his followers were sacrificed for his actual taint experiments.

[SmilesJA]

Warden mage, freedom and respect. What more can you possibly want?

[Miss Dragon Age]

I would much prefer being a circle mage, as the life of a warden under normal circumstances sounds pretty miserable. A circle mage's life isn't always miserable, if being a circle mage was THAT terrible for everyone who went to the circle there wouldn't be any mages like Wynne. Not to mention even warden mages can sometimes get hunted by the chantry and are hated by the common folk. Neither are truly free, whether caged by the templars or bound the obligation to fight the darkspawn.

 

Now, the Harrowing VS the Joining? With the harrowing you have to face a demon, but if your will is strong then you'll be just fine. The joining however seems more like chance, you have to drink a cup of darkspawn blood and hope you are lucky enough to live so that you can fight the darkspawn for the rest of your short, nightmare plagued life.

 

I will say this about the wardens however, if you die with them you die honorably and for a noble cause. Both of those options for a mage are pretty grim though...

 

 

I guess it's a good day to be a dwarf 

[EmperorSahlertz]

Let's see...

 

On one hand we got life on the move, constantly having to fight Darkspawn and slowly going insane from the Taint.

 

On the other hand, we have a life in comaprable luxury, three meals a day, all the resources I could ask for for my research, not having to fight (big plus there) and actual chance of influence other places than the Anderfels.

 

Yeah... I'm gonna go with Circle Mage.