Wait, what? There are no such rules there. If you're talking about DA2, it was just Kirkwall. And this place was a dump by all standards.
There's no place for relationship in the Circle,yes, but not sex.
The OP mentioned that as one of the conditions though... whether that's a common restriction or not, it set off some alarms in my head... xD
Well, the OP is wrong here. 
Sex is nothing, the relationship is difficult and you won't have a chance to raise your children if you'll have any at all.
It's "no sex" for templars, but no one cares what the mages do, mostly, if it's not some blood magic.
If you talk to Alistair and the other warden in DA:O. I can't remember his name right now. Except during blights from the way they talk you actually don't really mix too much with others. They talk about sitting in the hall drinking with their fellow wardens. Duncan also limited his mixing with others in the various origion stories. He was pleasant but rather reserved in most cases. Almost Withdrawn.
None of them really talk like it's normal to go down to the pub Friday night and get drunk with the locals. They all speak of being outsiders to varying extents simply for being what they are. They just aren't gathered in Circle Towers like the Circle Mages.
Warden mage no question.I can do pretty much anything I want.
Blood magic,Sky magic whatever-I-want magic......
As long as I do it to fight the Blight.Hell I spared Avernus in hope that he will find a good way
for the Wardens to resist the corrution and have a longer life.
None of them really talk like it's normal to go down to the pub Friday night and get drunk with the locals. They all speak of being outsiders to varying extents simply for being what they are. They just aren't gathered in Circle Towers like the Circle Mages.
That can be said about pretty much any order. Because, you know, it's kind of a point for them. But they have a purpose, they have comrades, they're free, and most of people respect them. It's the absolute opposite of what the circle mages are, they're just happen to be a bunch of people who have only one thing in common and nothing really unite them beside that. And it's sucks to be stuck with a group of people you have nothing in common.
As Anders said, it doesn't matter what you do in the circle - you can't prove yourself. You will rot in the tower no matter what, no one cares if you're actually useful or want to help people in any way, if you want to defend of fight for them. Life there is pointless, dull. It was shocking to hear Wynne saying she's tired of it already (no f-cking wonder, really). The same place, the same faces, the same routine day after day, year after year. It can drive anyone bananas. And wardens... they're actually doing something at least. Something they - and pretty much everyone - think is the most important thing in their world. It's gotta count for something.
Yeah, sure, you don't have to worry because they can do whatever the hell they want with you 24/7. No point in worrying because you can't possibly defend yourself at all and they don't even have to hunt you. You do anything they don't like - you get the brand, a horrible punishment or an abuse.Totally worth it - the bed, the food and the education. I even say the education part is the saddest thing because you have to obey dim witted zealots who barely can count to ten in majority. Few things suck more.
An apostate mage is always on the run, they are never truly safe. Everytime an apostate practices magic they risk setting off alarms that will send a templar death-sqaud after them. Everytime they go the bed and there is the chance they will wake up with a templar sword pointed at them. Few mages are smart enough and adatble enough to evade notice or capture for very long, and then you are completely at the mercy of the Templars.
In the Circle, templars are supposed to give the mages respect and privacy and the mages do have some rights. Ultimate authority over life and death may lay with the Knight Commander but the templars are not supposed to be actively trying to ****** off their charges. The Circle in Kirkwall was supposed to be a gross breach of every conceivable protocol, this is a heavily emphasized fact in Dragon Age II. The atmosphere in the Fereldan Circle (when it was not overrun with abominations) was more detached and focused on the working relationship between the First Enchanter and the Knight Commander but otherwise the mages were left alone.
As long as people fear that all mages want to become Tevinter Magisters they will continue to condone this entire system. Thanks to Anders however, something will change... maybe even for the better.
It all depends on the situation. If the choice is Thedas real-world implemented, I would prefer to be a Circle Mage. In real life, I don't really think I would fare that well by going toe to toe against blood-thirsty creatures who I will end becoming in the end. I guess I could work up the nerve but I do not even like going to war overseas. Besides, the Joining is pretty random in who survives the taint. The Harrowing may be a test from the Chantry/Templars but I believe we would need to be tested with supervision to show our capabilities of resisting a demon. After the Harrowing, you could be well-prepared in comparison to some one who doesn't know what the demons are capable of doing to us. As a Circle Mage, you can luxury of free food, shelter, and education. Sure, there are circles with horrible Templars afoot but it is worth it to me in the end. If the Circles rebel or become annuled, you will be in the middle of it.. You decide your fate from there. Just don't go crazy with dealing with demons for your freedom.
If this question is just basis for in-game, I would prefer to be a Warden Mage. Freedom to do whatever is needed to win a war without supervision. Food, Shelter, and education depending on your part in the Warden hierarchy or "skills" to obtain. If I was fighting darkspawn in the Deeproads or during a Blight, I feel like I am giving my life for the greater good. Sadly, either the calling or death would come for me. That's why I'd prefer Circle Mage, I don't want to start decaying and hearing the "noise".
An apostate mage is always on the run, they are never truly safe.
I think Morrigan can disagrre with you, and so can Solas.
If you're ok on your own you don't have to fight or run every minute. You only have to if you want to live in th cities, towns or whatever.
And yes, it's Thedas. No one really safe there, like, at all.
The atmosphere in the Fereldan Circle (when it was not overrun with abominations) was more detached and focused on the working relationship between the First Enchanter and the Knight Commander but otherwise the mages were left alone.
Yeah, and the fact that many mages in Ferelden, the First Enchanter included, still hated it says levels.
Ferelden was just a prison, Kirkwall was a hell on earth.
Wardens are only respected for what they do during or right after a blight. Not sure if 10 years counts or not for DA:I since the blight was over so quickly and primarily only in one country. Otherwise they have a pretty thankless job. This is mentioned by every Grey Warden I can think of in the games. I have to imagine the reason they don't suffer from the same face for so long two fold. The first being the calling and they are somewhat slow recruiters overall. The second is going to be that for the average warden your not even going to make it to your calling. Yes it happens often enough but 30 years of constant fighting is long odds at the least when it comes to survival. And Wardens are pretty much forced together over one thing. The Taint in their blood, and the effects that come with that. The Fact that they are an autonomous military group just helps to give structure and order to that fact. They actually come from every walk of life just like the mages. But in much smaller numbers.
Wardens aren't free (unless you go your own way but then you aren't grey warden anymore) wardens have to do what other wardens want them to do what pretty much is mostly killing darkspawn on deep roads so good luck with freedom only it only offer more (and that says little) freedom than circle magi pretty and if you won't do what wardens want you to do even if you don't want to do that see duncan and jory...
That is completely miscronstrued. The Chantry goes to great lengths to prevent mages from having family bonds within the same Circle, it would almost be akin to trying to get married in prison. It's not a rule that you cannot marry in prison but every circumstance present ensures such a union is prohibited and short lived. Of course mages have relationships, the Circle is not explicitly celibate even if the Chantry would prefer all mages behaved like priests, but that is the extent to which most mages go. It's as scandoulous for a mage to be found with child as it would be for anyone else to be pregnant out of wedlock. The child in question will be taken by the Chantry and will either grow up to be a priest, templar or mage if it has magical powers.
Wynne merely mentioned the lack of options for a Circle mage to marry in the context of such a possiblity even being available in the first place. Magic is seen as disgraceful among the upper classes and distrusted among the supersetitous lower classes. Where between those options would there be a normal man or even woman want to marry a mage even if it were a possibilty?
There are extraorinary exceptions, of course, such as Shale's former master WIlhelm. But those are extraorinary exceptions, and it was never really revealed how a mage like Wilhelm would be allowed to live among a normal populace by the Chantry when that is exactly what they want to prevent. Apostates who gain the favor of influential and powerful political figures may be granted some reprieve if the apostate's arrest would be considered too impolitical or if the mage served the sovereign well.
Whatever. Wynne and my female mage spoke at length about this considering she was serious about Alistair.
In Kirkwall it may be different. Because Meredith.
Whatever. Wynne and my female mage spoke at length about this considering she was serious about Alistair.
In Kirkwall it may be different. Because Meredith.
Actually no, you were right. David Gaider said that both mages and templars could marry --- provided they had the consent of the Chantry and the circumstances were acceptable. Which explains how Aveline from DA2 married Wesley, a templar. And here I thought she had the Cleric in a headlock untill she agreed to the union....
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I'd prefer being a Circle mage by far. Being a Warden is constant work. I hate work.
Also, as I've gotten older, I've become more boring and antisocial. For various reasons. There might have been a time when I loathed sitting around and reading all day, but now that sounds great. Less drama the better. If I had a dream job, it'd be an astronomer at some observatory out in the middle of nowhere, where I contributed a small part to advancing civilization, and didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit.
Warden, you got freedom.
In the case of the Wardens, freedom is a relative term. Even if you abandon the Order like Anders or your Warden can, there's no escaping the effects of the taint, which in itself is a kind of prison that will ultimately lead to a ghoulish death or what is tantamount to ritual suicide battling in the Deep Roads. If I had to choose, I'd just live in the Circle and take my chances with templar overseers than waiting to die in a pit with monsters.
Wardens don't seem all that free that me. The games don't do a great job of representing this, with the DA:O Warden going wherever because the rest of the Fereldan order is dead and Anders not really having Wardens after him, but for the most part you follow your commander until death. Mostly your freedom consists of being told of going into the Deep Roads to fight darkspawn- there's a reason Bethany doesn't like being a Warden.
Depends how powerful of a mage you are too, staying free is way easier if you can turn templars to mush with a gesture
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