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[Little Princess Peach]

Warden? Mark - we aren't bringing back Warden in DAI... sort of

he said sort of what the heck dose that even mean we will see our wardens foot but not the rest of the body?

[TheKomandorShepard]

People expected it because in the The Enemy of Thedas trailer they had Hawk standing there with a Warden ( Many assumed it was the Orlisian Warden from DAA.)  I some big showdown with a boss of some kind and if people are upset because the protagonist that they want to see the least is the one showing up again while The Hero of Ferelden get's the shaft again.

They said it wasn't the warden peoples started see holes they wanted to see in that statement and one of devs said peoples overthink that peoples didn't care and went with own version "because there is no way that waren won't be in game if hawke is".Pretty much this was nothing more than own peoples fault that they are disappointed.

[Felya87]

I have honestly no idea why anyone was expecting the warden to return at all given how unfeasible that is.

 

Anyone who has been holding out a serious expectation of this until now is, frankly, delusional. This idea should have been shot out of the water long before now.

 

because if Hawke is there, why shouldn't be there the Warden too?

 

and frankly, if they didn't want people to have hope of seeing again and knowing what happen to their Wardens, than they shouldn't have the "Warden disappeared like Hawke!!!". 

Leliana and Cass could have just kept their mouth shut. Or just leave the "disappear" fragment only for the Wardens that have gone trought the Elluvian, while for the others "the Wardens can't interfere with these things without Darkspawn around. Is the Gray Wardens politic" or "he/she have Ferelden to think about" if the Warden is queen/married Anora.

 

just two different phrases. and no one would have cared about seeing again the Warden.

[TheKomandorShepard]

because if Hawke is there, why shouldn't be there the Warden too?

 

and frankly, if they didn't want people to have hope of seeing again and knowing what happen to their Wardens, than they shouldn't have the "Warden disappeared like Hawke!!!". 

Leliana and Cass could have just kept their mouth shut. Or just leave the "disappear" fragment only for the Wardens that have gone trought the Elluvian, while for the others "the Wardens can't interfere with these things without Darkspawn around. Is the Gray Wardens politic" or "he/she have Ferelden to think about" if the Warden is queen/married Anora.

 

just two different phrases. and no one would have cared about seeing again the Warden.

Because many other peoples including devs said that 1000 times warden and hawke were different types of protagonist where hawke was more defined and hawke had only 3 possible sets of personalities and warden could pick up to do other stuff than have only 2 fates some left wardens and went own way , others stayed with wardens , others were chancellors , other teyrn or king and more.Not to mention they finished with warden and hawke had 1 dlc that was canceled and they said they will show it in dai.

 

Simple in a lot rpg games when it comes to blank protagonist they vanish after their stories are done do things we don't hear about as game can tell who and what your character wanted to do save for player.And it is not true peoples would complain about that anyway as they did with revan and pretty much in da 2.

[Jwlpo]

Oh goodness
Don't pull a Revan on us

[TheKomandorShepard]

Oh goodness
Don't pull a Revan on us

Well most peoples wanted him back when they got him well i don't have explain reaction of those peoples?

Problem with peoples is that that they expect something look prettier than it in reality could look (pretty much entire whole situation now where folks imagined they will see the warden despite bioware said it wasn't the warden) and when they got it there is "WTF bioware screwed it up ea sucks".

 

 

[Felya87]

Because many other peoples including devs said that 1000 times warden and hawke were different types of protagonist where hawke was more defined and hawke had only 3 possible sets of personalities and warden could pick up to do other stuff than have only 2 fates some left wardens and went own way , others stayed with wardens , others were chancellors , other teyrn or king and more.

 

Simple in a lot rpg games when it comes to blank protagonist they vanish after their stories are done do things we don't hear about as game can tell who and what your character wanted to do save for player.

 

than, as I said, the most intelligent thing would have been NOT SAY NOTHING AT ALL ABOUT THE WARDEN IN DA2. and no one would have cared about a reapperance. Or just say that this time there is no Blight and there is no way to call again the Warden to "save the world".

 

the Gray Wardens don't care about anything but the Blights and the Darkspawn. is their way, they are totally impartial, and don't care who reign over who, as long as they help in case of a Blight. The Warden was questioned and complained about by the Orlesians Wardens because she let herself being involved too much in Ferelden's matters.

and before DAI everything is about politics and different factions. That simple thing would have been enought for people not even thinking about the Warden.

 

but since the mention of the Warden and the retcons of everyone's ending who didin't go with Morrigan was the only interesting thing about all the ending of DA2, that doesn't give closure for anything, people obviously get attached to that statemant. is just logic.

[TheKomandorShepard]

than, as I said, the most intelligent thing would have been NOT SAY NOTHING AT ALL ABOUT THE WARDEN IN DA2. and no one would have cared about a reapperance. Or just say that this time there is no Blight and there is no way to call again the Warden to "save the world".

 

the Gray Wardens don't care about anything but the Blights and the Darkspawn. is their way, they are totally impartial, and don't care who reign over who, as long as they help in case of a Blight. The Warden was questioned and complained about by the Orlesians Wardens because she let herself being involved too much in Ferelden's matters.

and before DAI everything is about politics and different factions. That simple thing would have been enought for people not even thinking about the Warden.

 

but since the mention of the Warden and the retcons of everyone's ending who didin't go with Morrigan was the only interesting thing about all the ending of DA2, that doesn't give closure for anything, people obviously get attached to that statemant. is just logic.

 

And as i said they had to remove him especially that the action is in ferelden then we would hear cries "wtf we play in ferelden and they didn't show us the warden!"

How you played the warden was up to player one could embrace wardens philosophy other don't and could even go his own way leaving them.Simple disappearance says nothing warden can do anything so it doesn't destroy characters players have created. And peoples would ask for warden anyway as they did with revan and wanted the warden in da 2. 

 

There is no such thing as closure for blank rpg you didn't had this in dao  (unless you did US), daa or witch hunt you warden still went his way (what could mean a lot of different things for many different players).  

[Ray561]

 

And as i said they had to remove him especially that the action is in ferelden then we would hear cries "wtf we play in ferelden and they didn't show us the warden!"
How you played the warden was up to player one could embrace wardens philosophy other don't and could even go his own way leaving them.Simple disappearance says nothing warden can do anything so it doesn't destroy characters players have created. And peoples would ask for warden anyway as they did with revan and wanted the warden in da 2. 
 
There is no such thing as closure for blank rpg you didn't had this in dao  (unless you did US), daa or witch hunt you warden still went his way (what could mean a lot of different things for many different players).  

 

[Ray561]

Ignore my last post The forums are really glitch out tonight and I cant even quote someone there also really slow and it's just the Bioware forums no other sites at all.

[Lilaeth]

There are too many possible version of the Warden for them to bring her/him back.  A couple of mentions would be nice.  Mine, for example, is married to Alistair and they are ruling Ferelden.  He could mention her, maybe have to go off and discuss big decisions with her, that kind of thing.  She could be out there leading Ferelden forces while he's doing the diplomatic stuff. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Ignore my last post The forums are really glitch out tonight and I cant even quote someone there also really slow and it's just the Bioware forums no other sites at all.

You can use option to hide your post if you want to "remove" your post

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

BW were really in a lose-lose situation 
the Warden appears: gets hate & criticism about how the Warden wouldn't sound or act a certain way
the Warden doesn't appear: gets hate & criticism about how they've betrayed fans by not giving enough closure

[Ranadiel Marius]

Calling it, someone claiming to be the Warden Commander will appear, but they'll turn out to be a fade construct based on the legends of the Warden Commander and not the genuine one. That way they can give him a personality without ruining people's head canon personalities.

[The Elder King]

Really, I wonder why so many people desperately want to see their Wardens in DAI. Granted, I would like to see them as well, but it's far more important - in fact, so much more important that their appearance as such becomes completely irrelevant in comparison - that they won't do anything I won't like to them, such as getting them killed, possessed, end up as the Elder One's retainer, forcing us to kill them or getting character development in a direction I would detest.
 
Also, it would be immensely difficult to recreate their physical appearance, and a face-concealing helmet just doesn't cut it, even more so if your Warden is a mage. To say nothing of letting them speak: they might get to say things we would hate just because their writers derived motivation from decision options in the wrong way. 
 
Which means that for all intents and purposes, it's probably better if our Wardens do not make an appearance. The same, btw, applies to our Hawkes. About either, I would like to hear, in some way, what happened to them, but I'd rather not have an appearance in person. Unfortunately, that ship appears to have sailed in case of Hawke, so I can only hope their appearance will be generic enough that I won't have any problem with it, and that they'll look at least somewhat like my Hawkes.

 
You can create Hawke's appearance in DAI.
 

because if Hawke is there, why shouldn't be there the Warden too?
 
and frankly, if they didn't want people to have hope of seeing again and knowing what happen to their Wardens, than they shouldn't have the "Warden disappeared like Hawke!!!". 
Leliana and Cass could have just kept their mouth shut. Or just leave the "disappear" fragment only for the Wardens that have gone trought the Elluvian, while for the others "the Wardens can't interfere with these things without Darkspawn around. Is the Gray Wardens politic" or "he/she have Ferelden to think about" if the Warden is queen/married Anora.
 
just two different phrases. and no one would have cared about seeing again the Warden.

The point is that Bioware wanted the Warden to disappear. There is probably a plot reason for his/her disappearance. It's just not the same (Probably) of Hawke.

[Ieldra]

 You can create Hawke's appearance in DAI.

You can? Is that official? If they also consider character class, endgame decision and dominant personality that could make for a satisfactory result.

[Ieldra]

Warden? Mark - we aren't bringing back Warden in DAI... sort of

he said sort of what the heck dose that even mean we will see our wardens foot but not the rest of the body?

It may mean that they need to make some reference to our Wardens because two of their possible LIs are major characters in DAI, but all that will explain is why they aren't there.

 

It may also mean we will hear of the Warden's exploits but never see them in person.

 

In fact, at this point that's all I'm rather sure of: we won't see them in person. Which is very much ok with me, though I worry they will let them die.

 

A possible Warden involvement would be rather easy to arrange. However different they are, they are all Grey Wardens and can reasonably be involved in Warden business, if they didn't go through the eluvian. However, giving them appropriate dialogue would be rather more difficult than for Hawke, since there is no way to extract personality traits from their decisions.

[Chari]

Bioware

Why some Hawke gets a real cameo while the very hero/ine who introduced us to the wonderful world of Thedas gets shafted?

 

 

 

The point is that Bioware wanted the Warden to disappear. There is probably a plot reason for his/her disappearance. It's just not the same (Probably) of Hawke. 

Now I want the Hawke to disappear just for the justice sake

Ugh, it's good my Hawke and Inquisitor are total opposites. It won't feel OOC to make them fight

[MisterJB]

Really disappointing since Hawke will be in the game.

[Ieldra]

Why some Hawke gets a real cameo while the very hero/ine who introduced us to the wonderful world of Thedas gets shafted?

I don't see it as getting shafted, but as the acknowledgement they can't make the Wardens' appearance true to the Wardens as we made and envisioned them without extreme effort, if at all, due to the many-faceted outcome of DAO. Hawke is easy, nothing in their story prevents them from appearing at the same place, if it isn't exactly the Divine's palace. The Warden? Which one? King/Queen Warden, Eluvian Warden, Grey Warden Warden, Leliana-Romancing Warden? 

[Ray561]

I don't see it as getting shafted, but as the acknowledgement they can't make the Wardens' appearance true to the Wardens as we made and envisioned them without extreme effort, if at all, due to the many-faceted outcome of DAO. Hawke is easy, nothing in their story prevents them from appearing at the same place, if it isn't exactly the Divine's palace. The Warden? Which one? King/Queen Warden, Eluvian Warden, Grey Warden Warden, Leliana-Romancing Warden? 

there are only 4  different endings if  the hero of Ferelden survived DAO at the End of DAA the other 4 are slight variants of the other endings eg. wether the warden was Alistair's queen or Mistress and at the end of most of them it says they vanished and that  "there story is not over".

[MisterJB]

It is understand to not be able to bring back the Warden. However, in such a situation, I would prefer if Hawke remained absent or if they had written it so that their circunstances weren't so identical.

But briging one Player Character from a mysterious disappearance while the other Player Character does not appear in the game is disappointing to the fans and it could very well ruin the plot they were extablishing with the PCs mysteriously vanishing.

[Felya87]

 
You can create Hawke's appearance in DAI.
  The point is that Bioware wanted the Warden to disappear. There is probably a plot reason for his/her disappearance. It's just not the same (Probably) of Hawke.

all the problem is the tease. They have make Leliana and Cassandra say the two disappearance where connected. If they just wanted to never bring back the Warden, there was the "Gray Warden Politic of Neutrality" or simply say nothing, just a mention here and there like in DA2.

But they teased people about it, and of course now people expect to see what happened to their Warden. Expecially since Hawke is back.

[Ieldra]

there are only 4  different endings if  the hero of Ferelden survived DAO at the End of DAA the other 4 are slight variants of the other endings eg. wether the warden was Alistair's queen or Mistress and at the end of most of them it says they vanished and that  "there story is not over".

Which means 5 since leaving something out that otherwise would be there is as much effort as any other outcome. In comparison, Hawke can plausibly end up at the same one place regardless of outcome, while that does not apply to the Warden. For something that's basically a continuity teaser, that's too much effort.

 

I do agree that they shouldn't have done the "disappearance" in DA2. That actually takes more explaining than no mention at all. I guess they wanted to remove some possible outcomes such as the Warden King/Queens from being relevant...