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[TheLittleBird]

You guys don't seem to understand that BioWare only wants to bring a previous protagonists back if it makes sense for the story. They don't want a cameo to feel shoehorned into the game just because the fans want it.

[BobZilla84]

Eh, I'm sure it will be fine

Romances are okay, people need to realise that we have a variety and diversity we've never had before and it's fine that some LIs won't be for everyone

 

Now, Warden and Hawke - I just find it lazy. It's like Tali's face fiasco. Wasn' the most terrible thing on the Earth but damn that was disappointing

I hope your right Chari granted I still wish Vivienne was a LI but woe is me.

 

in my opinion any ME3 LI that was not on the Normandy full time got shafted it was pretty apparent they wanted Shepard/Liara to be the Cannon Romance why else would Liara get a Comic,DLC & be vital to the ME3 Story while everyone else got screwd way to hide your favortism guys.

[Ieldra]

What people don't get is that what is more upseting about this whole thing is that there is a lot of symbolism and set up when it comes to the idea of all the previous protagonists of the series banding together for an common cause. It's the kind of stuff that happens with 1 in 1000 games, and if done right it could be one of the most legendary moments in gaming. But nope, BW just throws it outta the window. Not to mention I will also never see some proper closure when it comes to the warden and his family with Morrigan, or an royal warden and their work at the court.

I'm rather ok with leaving the future of my Warden to my headcanon. Less likely to get f*cked up that way. You people don't appear to understand that a future you don't like is far far worse than one left to your imagination. For instance, my Warden left with Morrigan, but I would simply hate to see a happy family scene defining their future.

 

BTW, what is "proper closure"? For me, an ending that rules out further stories is the worst kind I can imagine. Of Morrigan's and the Warden's story, I would hate to be told how it ends, because everything eventually ends in death. "They've been seen together, but nobody knows what happened thereafter" is far preferable.

 

And lastly, no, I don't want that "banding together for a common cause". That would not be legendary but trite. I want DAI to be my Inquisitor's story. If it intersects others' stories, OK, but I certainly wouldn't want that to be a major part of this one.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

You guys don't seem to understand that BioWare only wants to bring a previous protagonists back if it makes sense for the story. They don't want a cameo to feel shoehorned into the game just because the fans want it.

I think you need to clarify why the Warden's presence doesn't make sense for the story. Since at the very end of DA:II both Cassandra and Leliana were looking for both Champion of Kirkwall and the Hero of Felderen to solve this Mage-Templar War before it escalate further, they doesn't care if the Warden lack of connection to events in DA:II since they need a powerful and influential figure who could help solve this mess, if the Warden's presence make no sense for the story then it's BioWare's writing's fault here.

[Chari]

You guys don't seem to understand that BioWare only wants to bring a previous protagonists back if it makes sense for the story. They don't want a cameo to feel shoehorned into the game just because the fans want it.

Because Zevran's cameo in DA2, for example, and Cullen's becoming an important character have nothing to do with their popularity :3 

It's not like you could completelly throw away Zevran's involvement in DA2 and replace Cullen with another wise sane templar from Kirkwall (he was the only one, after all!)

Oh, and of course what the hero/ine who has been doing nothing but running into epic troubles and saving the world could be doing during the apocalypsise? Probably run into the Bressilian forest and hide there till the end of times. Even if their beloved Lelliana/Morrigan/even Alistair are far away. Who needs love when we've got talking poetic trees, right?

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Really, what's so special about Hawke that they get all the attention and our Wardens are nothing but rumours? DA:O being one of the best and most successful games in Bioware's history is not enough, I guess

[KoorahUK]

You know I have this gut feeling that DAI will be looked as a failure and I dont know why but everything just seems to be rubbing fans the wrong way from the Romance options to now this business with the Warden I am afraid that even if DAI is good game Biowares past mistakes "DA2 & ME3" will be DAIs downfall. 

 

I hope I am wrong but this Warden situation isnt helping their cause I am just saying.

Sorry my friend, when you say "the fans" I think you mean "me". 

 

I'm afraid this point of view doesn't speak for me or a shed load of other fans. Unless you can produce any stats to the contrary I don't think you can assume your position is the default one.

From what I've seen this game is shaping up to the best DA yet. That is of course just my opinion and I don't claim to speak for anyone else. 

[Xilizhra]

I'm rather ok with leaving the future of my Warden to my headcanon. Less likely to get f*cked up that way. You people don't appear to understand that a future you don't like is far far worse than one left to your imagination. For instance, my Warden left with Morrigan, but I would simply hate to see a happy family scene defining their future.

 

BTW, what is "proper closure"? For me, an ending that rules out further stories is the worst kind I can imagine. Of Morrigan's and the Warden's story, I would hate to be told how it ends, because everything eventually ends in death. "They've been seen together, but nobody knows what happened thereafter" is far preferable.

 

And lastly, no, I don't want that "banding together for a common cause". That would not be legendary but trite. I want DAI to be my Inquisitor's story. If it intersects others' stories, OK, but I certainly wouldn't want that to be a major part of this one.

Agreed in full. Especially given how headcanon-heavy the endings of the DAO games were, a bad Warden appearance would be vastly worse than none at all. I'm... mildly irked and hope that the romance is at least acknowledged, but I don't mind much beyond that because I tend to want my Warden, especially my mage, to do things that Bioware almost certainly wouldn't do, and it's better for me to not have it be denied.

[Chari]

I'm rather ok with leaving the future of my Warden to my headcanon. Less likely to get f*cked up that way. You people don't appear to understand that a future you don't like is far far worse than one left to your imagination. For instance, my Warden left with Morrigan, but I would simply hate to see a happy family scene defining their future.

 

BTW, what is "proper closure"? For me, an ending that rules out further stories is the worst kind I can imagine. Of Morrigan's and the Warden's story, I would hate to be told how it ends, because everything eventually ends in death. "They've been seen together, but nobody knows what happened thereafter" is far preferable.

 

And lastly, no, I don't want that "banding together for a common cause". That would not be legendary but trite. I want DAI to be my Inquisitor's story. If it intersects others' stories, OK, but I certainly wouldn't want that to be a major part of this one.

The same thing can be said about Hawke. Yet this failure gets a cameo for some reason

I know my Warden and I know that my Warden wouldn't sit and watch the world fall apart

Especially since we WILL be dealing with the grey wardens 

Headcanons are cute, but they're pointless if not at least partly suppos

[Ryzaki]

They brought the Warden out of retirement. BW ****ed with my head canon first. If they had moved on this thread wouldn't exist right now.

 

Exactly. They should've left my warden chilling as Teryn. But noooo she up and vanishes for reasons and I'm not going to see her in DAI? WTF did she vanish like Hawke for then?

 

if some garbage happens like my warden died and my Hawke escaped I just might scream.

[Ieldra]

They brought the Warden out of retirement. BW ****ed with my head canon first. If they had moved on this thread wouldn't exist right now.

Yeah, with a throwaway line made for a DLC that was abandoned later. As easy to rectify as "The Warden returned from the mysterious errand they set out on"

[raging_monkey]

You know I have this gut feeling that DAI will be looked as a failure and I dont know why but everything just seems to be rubbing fans the wrong way from the Romance options to now this business with the Warden I am afraid that even if DAI is good game Biowares past mistakes "DA2 & ME3" will be DAIs downfall. 
 
I hope I am wrong but this Warden situation isnt helping their cause I am just saying.

the romances are fine so lets not go there our rage is to this current dabacle. I fel5 that this game was GOTY for me but this hanxwaving thing and invalidating my experiance just for a rushed project and "convient" hero. This imo seems like EA is putting hands in peoples food which isnt cool

[_Marjolaine_]

no Warden then? ok, sure, I can live with that. (I couldn't imagine it anyway. the voice. the personality issue. Warden was much more complex character than Hawke imo) but if there is no Warden, Hawke will get all the glory!

 

I'm tempted to create a total-ass Hawke so my Inquisitor could be the only hero

(oh, wait! my Hawke actually was a real ass, so I guess I will be fine)

 

What?! I never cared much about my Hawke anyway, so why not make it more fun?

 

(English is not my native l.)

[Elfyoth]

BasementCat, or we'll see the warden...as a corpse?

[Chari]

So it was stated that we won't see them but might "hear" them

As if it's a spelling mistake and they meant "to hear from them" or literally "hear them"

Cuz letting us hear our wardens speak but not see it... like, the opposite of a good approach

[TheLittleBird]

I think you need to clarify why the Warden's presence doesn't make sense for the story. Since at the very end of DA:II both Cassandra and Leliana were looking for both Champion of Kirkwall and the Hero of Felderen to solve this Mage-Templar War before it escalate further, they doesn't care if the Warden lack of connection to events in DA:II since they need a powerful and influential figure who could help solve this mess, if the Warden's presence make no sense for the story then it's BioWare's writing's fault here.

 

BioWare has said that that's how they want to approach that. Because the game isn't out yet, I can't possibly tell you why a Warden cameo would or wouldn't make sense for the story. I also can't tell why the Hawke cameo makes sense for the story. I'm just going off of what BioWare is saying.

 

As for your argument that the Inquisition needs "a powerful and influential figure to help solve this mess": you don't know what they're doing with the Warden, only that they're not bringing them back like they are Hawke. Those mentions of the Warden could easily explain why the Warden is not there. And I'll say it again, but the Dragon Age: Inquisition is not the final entry in the series. At least it isn't planned to be. There is absolutely no reason why the Warden's story should be resolved as soon as possible.

[jtav]

I don't really care what they do with the Warden. Their story is over. I'd rather zots go toward enhancing the Inquisitors story. Warden has no canonical race, voice, or way to determine personality. I'd rather leave them alone, with a mention of where they disappeared to. I don't care about a happy ending, and I was never promised one.

[Ieldra]

A testament to how crappy DA2 and it's protagonist was and an overall indicator of BioWare's decline in quality storytelling.

Hey, I like my Hawkes, and I find the story of DA2 - as opposed to some other aspects - was actually quite good. Certainly less stereotypical than DAO's. Problems came from being rushed, especially towards the end, but overall I see no "decline". Not in DA, anyway.

 

If there's any decline, it's because some fans always want to see the same kind of story.

[BobZilla84]

Because Zevran's cameo in DA2, for example, and Cullen's becoming an important character have nothing to do with their popularity :3 

It's not like you could completelly throw away Zevran's involvement in DA2 and replace Cullen with another wise sane templar from Kirkwall (he was the only one, after all!)

Oh, and of course what the hero/ine who has been doing nothing but running into epic troubles and saving the world could be doing during the apocalypsise? Probably run into the Bressilian forest and hide there till the end of times. Even if their beloved Lelliana/Morrigan/even Alistair are far away. Who needs love when we've got talking poetic trees, right?

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Really, what's so special about Hawke that they get all the attention and our Wardens are nothing but rumours? DA:O being one of the best and most successful games in Bioware's history is not enough, I guess

Perhaps our Wardens cant physically help the Inquistion because of their duties.For example heres how I would like my Human Noble to be handled.Elissa Cousland is the Queen of Ferelden,Teryna of Gwaren,Warden Commander of Ferelden & the Arl of Amaranthine she is a busy lady I doubt she can up and run off to help the Inquistion so maybe she sends the warden in the trailer to help with the breachs that way our wardens will be respected and Bioware wouldnt need to add them and of course Alistair would have alot to say about his wife and Queen.

 

Something like that would be perfect in my opinion.

[Ranadiel Marius]

Man I am impressed with this thread. It has managed to make me dislike DAO simply by association with the fans that have some how turned toxic. Good job!

[Xilizhra]

I'd be more sympathetic to the plight of others if they stopped attacking Hawke.

[Chari]

Hey, I like my Hawkes, and I find the story of DA2 - as opposed to some other aspects - was actually quite good. Certainly less stereotypical than DAO's. Problems came from being rushed, especially towards the end, but overall I see no "decline".

 

If there's any decline, it's because some fans always want to see the same kind of story.

Fans want quality, not the same kind of story

Look at myriads of games with unusual stories yet popular. Why? Because there was quality

DA2 is the opposite of quality, it's a hot mess with good intentions. That's why it's unpopular, not because the story is "new"

P.S. *hinthint* It is not

P.P.S. Stories about hero/ines from lower classes becoming important and famous legends or simply wealthy and influental are one of the oldest

P.P.P.S. The problem was that the whole story was rushed and written sometimes just poorly

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

As for your argument that the Inquisition needs "a powerful and influential figure to help solve this mess": you don't know what they're doing with the Warden, only that they're not bringing them back like they are Hawke. Those mentions of the Warden could easily explain why the Warden is not there. And I'll say it again, but the Dragon Age: Inquisition is not the final entry in the series. At least it isn't planned to be. There is absolutely no reason why the Warden's story should be resolved as soon as possible.

I said both Cassandra and Leliana were also looking for the Warden, and I didn't says anything about the Inquisition because by the time DA:II story is over we barely knew anything of the Inquisition, but there are possibility that Leliana would still looking for the Warden to help their cause. Of course there could be an explanation regarding to the Warden's absent but your previous argument that the Warden's presence doesn't make sense for the current story is kinda moot, and if that's what BioWare said then I see sloppy writing over here.

[Chari]

Perhaps our Wardens cant physically help the Inquistion because of their duties.For example heres how I would like my Human Noble to be handled.Elissa Cousland is the Queen of Ferelden,Teryna of Gwaren,Warden Commander of Ferelden & the Arl of Amaranthine she is a busy lady I doubt she can up and run off to help the Inquistion so maybe she sends the warden in the trailer to help with the breachs that way our wardens will be respected and Bioware wouldnt need to add them and of course Alistair would have alot to say about his wife and Queen.

 

Something like that would be perfect in my opinion.

The problem is no matter what the Warden decides to do, in the end they disappear

So does Hawke but we will learn why and how, at least meet them

Wardens? Whoops, sorry, probably drunk with other "mysteriously" dissappeared Bioware PCs

Maybe that's a good thing, that's a mark of quality hero/ine