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Man I am impressed with this thread. It has managed to make me dislike DAO simply by association with the fans that have some how turned toxic. Good job!
Oh the toxicity! I think I'll meditate and drink another Witcher elixir. These are valid concerns. If you don't think so I'm glad you're spared the disappointment.
Yeah, with a throwaway line made for a DLC that was abandoned later. As easy to rectify as "The Warden returned from the mysterious errand they set out on"
I'm not as disappointed as some of the other posters on this thread, but after three years of anticipation, that explanation would be pretty unsatisfactory - especially since The Warden and Hawke were implied to have linked or similar fates. Given that Hawke simply "disappeared" as well, s/he need not appear in DA:I either (which is clearly not the case), so I can understand people being upset.
That being said, I'm glad BioWare isn't including The Warden if they feel like his/her appearance would be within the realm of shoehorning, or in danger of not being "done right". And given all the factors/variables, I'm not sure that there is a way to have The Warden appear in a way that does him/her justice.
Moving on to more speculative things, I hope s/he will be our Grey Warden/Fereldan contact that often writes to the Inquisition, triggering missions and providing info and whatnot. I wouldn't want references to his/her deeds to be too heavy-handed, either - just a little mention here or there at relevant moments.
Oh the toxicity! I think I'll meditate and drink another Witcher elixir. These are valid concerns. If you don't think so I'm glad you're spared the disappointment.
Must you continue to attack Hawke for it, though?
Keep in mind that a lot of things for DA2 had to be canceled because of fan reactions. This likely was responsible for cutting out the Warden.
Sorry my friend, when you say "the fans" I think you mean "me".
I'm afraid this point of view doesn't speak for me or a shed load of other fans. Unless you can produce any stats to the contrary I don't think you can assume your position is the default one.
From what I've seen this game is shaping up to the best DA yet. That is of course just my opinion and I don't claim to speak for anyone else.
Right so I am making up all the threads that are complaing about the LIs yeah right I never said I speak for anyone I said that Bioware was Rubbing alot of fans the wrong way and that I had a feeling that even if DAI is good game their past mistakes will bite them in tha A**.
So,I think showing just a little cameo of your Grey Warden in the game will be enough.Either way,it will be unlogical.Cassandra said exactly about Warden's and Hawke's disappearence and their fates are also somehow connected together.On the other hand,Alistair will appear in DA:I and if you made your Warden a queen,it would be strange not to show her next to him,because she has " very impotrante things to do".Anyways,I hope for the best 
Must you continue to attack Hawke for it, though?
Keep in mind that a lot of things for DA2 had to be canceled because of fan reactions. This likely was responsible for cutting out the Warden.
Shouldn't you be in World of Warcraft ruling the Undercity and resurrect more corpse into a Forsaken, lady Sylvanas.
The problem is no matter what the Warden decides to do, in the end they disappear
So does Hawke but we will learn why and how, at least meet them
Wardens? Whoops, sorry, probably drunk with other "mysteriously" dissappeared Bioware PCs
Maybe that's a good thing, that's a mark of quality hero/ine
Hey Chari did you look under the bed apparently alot of drunken disappearences end up there. 
Bummer.
I was perfectly fine with my Warden just being mentioned through the grapevine because I wasn't expecting them to show up in DAI at all. Especially as my canon Warden's LI isn't showing up either. But then that trailer with Hawke appeared and I suddenly got my hopes up for a cameo from the pair of them (mostly because of how it 'can't be a coincidence' that they both went missing at the end of DA2 which lead me to believe it was connected).
I really shouldn't have gotten my hopes up. Now I'm disappointed for something I was originally not even bothered about. Boo.
I said both Cassandra and Leliana were also looking for the Warden, and I didn't says anything about the Inquisition because by the time DA:II story is over we barely knew anything of the Inquisition, but there are possibility that Leliana would still looking for the Warden to help their cause. Of course there could be an explanation regarding to the Warden's absent but your previous argument that the Warden's presence doesn't make sense for the current story is kinda moot, and if that's what BioWare said then I see sloppy writing over here.
Except for you don't know if it's sloppy writing because Inquisition isn't out yet so you can't even judge whether or not a Warden cameo makes sense in the story they have for that game.
I feel like you're expecting them to build a story around the Warden's re-appearance, not the other way around.
Warden story in terms that his story was told and he went doing what player chosen him to do what could mean many things devs do that all times in rpg with such type of protagonist after their games not to mention fact that warden was blank in terms of personality.
Hawke story wasn't over (as devs said but they also said most important life moments were in da2) as he had dlc that was canceled and they told they will involve this in dai not mention that he had only 3 personality sets and was much more defined protagonist.
Also we don't know in what way they will handle this ,this can even go from they don't show them up to them being possessed by corrypheus.
Hey Chari did you look under the bed apparently alot of drunken disappearences end up there.
Well, I'd be happy to find all of them under my bed 
But there's only our siamese cat 
Huh, they might be getting drunk in some bar for Super Awesome Heroes and Heroines of Bioware. No Hawke allowed XD
Except for you don't know if it's sloppy writing because Inquisition isn't out yet so you can't even judge whether or not a Warden cameo makes sense in the story they have for that game.
I feel like you're expecting them to build a story around the Warden's re-appearance, not the other way around.
I thought the latest twitter's post regarding to the Warden's appearance in DA: I kinda confirm it over there, but you are right it's indeed too early to jump into a conclusion. Maybe so, I know it's the Inquisitor's story and I'd like it to stay that way but if BioWare intends to bring one of previous protagonists back why not bring both because their writing about previous DA games seems to suggest that both Hawke and the Warden disappeared for the same reason. This just my speculation though, but I'd appreciate your level headed throughout our conversation. 
Now, if the Warden won't make an appearance at all and we can only hear about him/her it's still not going to put me off from buying DA: I, but I have to admit I feel mildly annoyed that BioWare favors one over the other. I'm not suggesting that they should favor the Warden over Hawke, but BioWare should treat both previous protagonists equally and give them a proper role in DA:I they deserved. That said If BioWare pulls disappeared crap on the Inquisitor in future DA game, or they never give the Warden a real closure in future DA game. I'm out.
Must you continue to attack Hawke for it, though?
Keep in mind that a lot of things for DA2 had to be canceled because of fan reactions. This likely was responsible for cutting out the Warden.
If you compare Hawke and the Warden, you can see why.
Hawke's story was choking and restrictive.
You cannot save your mother by hiring guards with all the riches you found. You cannot choose between saving your siblings or not saving them or saving both of them. You cannot rule the city even though you clearly had more support than Meredith or Orsino and Bioware's tagline for Hawke in DA2 was "Rise to Power" which Hawke did not accomplish.
Hawke was also in many ways a bystander with the inability to do any action with a different outcome due to the crappy storytelling. Corypheus was freed regardless of whatever you do. Tallis gets to have the list of Qunari agents regardless of whatever you do. Leandra dies regardless of whatever you do. Either Bethany or Carver dies at the prologue regardless of whatever you do.
Contrast this with the Warden.They can either be kings or queens or advisors. They have the potential to rule a whole state, Amaranthine. They can have actions that have actual consequences as opposed to "lolnopewhateveryoudothesameresultasalways" !
Warden was also much more flexible. You have 16 variations whereas you only have 6 variations of Hawke. The Warden also did not have a voice which made RP-ing much easier and allowed for more dialogue options. With Hawke we get the standard 3 with occasional investigate.
With Warden, you could roleplay and you had a real sense of agency. With Hawke, you felt you were being strung along with no agency whatsoever.
Warden story in terms that his story was told and he went doing what player chosen him to do what could mean many things devs do that all times in rpg with such type of protagonist after their games not to mention fact that warden was blank in terms of personality.
Hawke story wasn't over (as devs said but they also said most important life moments were in da2) as he had dlc that was canceled and they told they will involve this in dai not mention that he had only 3 personality sets and was much more defined protagonist.
Also we don't know in what way they will handle this ,this can even go from they don't show them up to them being possessed by corrypheus.
I just hope they dont pull any the Warden is possessed so I gotta kill em crap because that would be a cheap and bitter Ending for a great character.
I really shouldn't have gotten my hopes up. Now I'm disappointed for something I was originally not even bothered about. Boo.
I just hope they dont pull any the Warden is possessed so I gotta kill em crap because that would be a cheap and bitter Ending for a great character.
Well they might i wouldn't like it and prefer just them to leave them alone but i prefer that over destroying character i have created.If they will go with that route im fine with it as it is plausible scenario.
i will bet my soul that thats exactly what happensI just hope they dont pull any the Warden is possessed so I gotta kill em crap because that would be a cheap and bitter Ending for a great character.
Well, I'd be happy to find all of them under my bed
But there's only our siamese cat
Huh, they might be getting drunk in some bar for Super Awesome Heroes and Heroines of Bioware. No Hawke allowed XD
Lol yeah but lets also keep Revan and the Exile out as well the Bars only rule is no Vanishing Heros. 
I'm a horrible person for feeling this way but I would love watching the holy fires of nerdrage that would come forth from this. Double points if it was just a mook with a unique name.I just hope they dont pull any the Warden is possessed so I gotta kill em crap because that would be a cheap and bitter Ending for a great character.
I'm a horrible person for feeling this way but I would love watching the holy fires of nerdrage that would come forth from this. Double points if it was just a mook with a unique name.
Consider how you just call DA:O fans a toxic people I say that's the irony over there. If you even proclaim yourself better than DA:O staunch fans here now you're no better than us.
You know a Warden that romanced Leliana could send her letters at Skyhold or something like that.
its a mind**** alright just one way to screw fans... if this game tanks well i will finally know who BW cares about; the newcomers who just jump in cause of hype with no complete understanding and emotional connectionI'm a horrible person for feeling this way but I would love watching the holy fires of nerdrage that would come forth from this. Double points if it was just a mook with a unique name.
DA:O was the game which made the DA series so famous, DA2 was the game which made the DA series so infamous
I get it that maybe they don't care about the Warden but we do
One little cameo, it is not that much but it's a great gift for the fans
Hey I just enjoy watching nerd rage burn the Internet. I don't care about the source as long as it is big and long lasting. I admit it makes me a horrible person, but hey at least it means I got some enjoyment out of ME3's ending.Consider how you just call DA:O fans a toxic people I say that's the irony over there. If you even proclaim yourself better than DA:O staunch fans here now you're no better than us.
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