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[BloodKaiden]

The Blight is over, people need to get right with that. Our Warden is gone, accept it and focus on the Inquisitor. People need that tough love.

[GDog89]

Technically they said The Warden of DAO not DAA So hes Warden Commander now and that how he or she
be adressed in game.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

The Blight is over, people need to get right with that. Our Warden is gone, accept it and focus on the Inquisitor. People need that tough love.

I see you got illusion about the end of Darkspawn threat just like the people of Thedas when Fourth Blight is over. Blight or no the Darkspawn is always a threat, and you can ask the Dwarves since they wage eternal war with Darkspawn in the Deep Roads, or any Wardens since they fight Darkspawn constantly. At the very least Corypheus is still around and free *sigh* Hawke. I also don't see a reason why the Warden cannot involve themselves with politics or other things than killing Darkspawn or stop the Blight. Your argument is flawed.

I'm pretty sure people want to see their character back as a cameo or some real closure, and they didn't want this to be another continuing adventure of the Warden nor Hawke it's the Inquisitor's story after all.

[BloodKaiden]

I see you got illusion about the end of Darkspawn threat just like the people of Thedas when Fourth Blight is over. Blight or no the Darkspawn is always a threat, and you can ask the Dwarves since they wage eternal war with Darkspawn in the Deep Roads, or any Wardens since they fight Darkspawn constantly. At the very least Corypheus is still around and free *sigh* Hawke. I also don't see a reason why the Warden cannot involve themselves with politics or other things than killing Darkspawn or stop the Blight. Your argument is flawed.
I'm pretty sure people want to see their character back as a cameo or some real closure, and they didn't want this to be another continuing adventure of the Warden nor Hawke it's the Inquisitor's story after all.

I suffer from no illusion that Darkspawn are a threat. Its not currently on the level of a Blight however. Right now the problem are the demons and rift in the sky from the Fade. Furthermore the Warden of DAO is not the only Warden in the world. Why people desire an appearance of the Warden for two seconds with the vast amount of different endings possible in Dao that would be hard to implement is too much imo. His/her story is over, best to just move on.

[GDog89]

The Warden story yes The Warden Commander story not so much.

[prosthetic soul]

The story ain't over.  I don't know why people keep saying this.  If it were over they shouldn't have brought Morrigan back. 

[New Kid]

The story ain't over.  I don't know why people keep saying this.  If it were over they shouldn't have brought Morrigan back. 

But Morrigan is a character with her own agency, she doesn't need to be connected to the Warden.

[raging_monkey]

But Morrigan is a character with her own agency, she doesn't need to be connected to the Warden.

true bit in some cases she is indirectly connected

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I suffer from no illusion that Darkspawn are a threat. Its not currently on the level of a Blight however. Right now the problem are the demons and rift in the sky from the Fade. Furthermore the Warden of DAO is not the only Warden in the world. Why people desire an appearance of the Warden for two seconds with the vast amount of different endings possible in Dao that would be hard to implement is too much imo. His/her story is over, best to just move on.

It sounds like you are since you're saying the Blight is over so the Warden is no longer needed. Oh well! moving on to other part. I still don't see the real reason why the Warden shouldn't have physical appearance from you beside 'it's difficult to implement them to the story', and true it's difficult but not impossible. I know that in DAI the main threat is the demons and a rift in the sky from the Fade, but that doesn't make Corypheus who's most likely up to no good or the Architect that could turn out to be another threat go away. You are correct about there is more wardens, but since the Grey Warden also has a part to play in DAI, and the Warden (Hero of Felderen) could take part in it.

Now, I'm not saying that we absolutely need physical appearance of the Warden, and although that will be interesting. We absolutely need some closure about the Warden, and if you want to close his/her story by saying they simply disappear is sloppy writing, and it's also left a plot hole that will never resolve.

[Draninus]

I suffer from no illusion that Darkspawn are a threat. Its not currently on the level of a Blight however. Right now the problem are the demons and rift in the sky from the Fade. Furthermore the Warden of DAO is not the only Warden in the world. Why people desire an appearance of the Warden for two seconds with the vast amount of different endings possible in Dao that would be hard to implement is too much imo. His/her story is over, best to just move on.

 

None of us need to do anything.  What you are doing is stating an opinion.  One I disagree with.  I think it's been clear in this thread that no one is asking for the game to be taken over by the Warden from DAO.  All we want is proper closure for a character that we invested a lot of time in.  Something more than "they disappeared".  Given Bioware's history with how they handle characters from past games, I think those of us who are a bit skeptical have every right to feel that way.

 

Additionally, Blight or not, the DAO Warden was obviously a bad mofo, so why would the Inquisition not want them involved if possible?  Especially considering a number of the Warden's former acquaintances are involved?  It seems like it would be the opposite to me.

[Razored1313]

I had closure with my warden until the end of da2, up until then I was happy with how my wardens story ended and never expected any cameo or anything like that, but bioware chose to throw that he is missing bit out there and undo the closure I had, so I expect them to at least explain what happened to him.

That said I'm fine with him not showing up, as long as it's explained. Hell i'd be fine with a "oh wait, we found him at the tavern, never mind!" Really anything would work even killing him off but I want an explanation for the disappearance.

Judging from mr. Gaiders comments there is still a storyline involving the warden, so I most likely will get that answer so for now I'm content.

[Chari]

I miss our Wardens... Without them I wouldn't even know what Bioware is. Without them there wouldn't be DA series. They're heroes of DAO one of the best games made by Bioware ever
They deserve to be included as a cameo. If Hawke can, they can too. It's hard but something the fans would appreciate. Just a glimpse, for God's sake

[Sifr]

It sounds like you are since you're saying the Blight is over so the Warden is no longer needed. Oh well! moving on to other part. I still don't see the real reason why the Warden shouldn't have physical appearance from you beside 'it's difficult to implement them to the story', and true it's difficult but not impossible. I know that in DAI the main threat is the demons and a rift in the sky from the Fade, but that doesn't make Corypheus who's most likely up to no good or the Architect that could turn out to be another threat go away. You are correct about there is more wardens, but since the Grey Warden also has a part to play in DAI, and the Warden (Hero of Felderen) could take part in it.

Now, I'm not saying that we absolutely need physical appearance of the Warden, and although that will be interesting. We absolutely need some closure about the Warden, and if you want to close his/her story by saying they simply disappear is sloppy writing, and it's also left a plot hole that will never resolve.

 

It's not really about the Warden not being needed anymore, it's just that the Warden isn't needed for this.

 

This isn't a Blight, this isn't Darkspawn related. Seriously, what can the Warden do to end the problem with the Breach? Without the glowing fade hand thing that allows the Inquisitor to close the tears, the Warden would be as useless as the average guy in this situation and would only be useful as yet another bit of cannon-fodder to throw at the demons.

 

To reiterate the tough love sentinment said above;

 

The Warden's story is over. Let it go. We've moved on.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

It's not really about the Warden not being needed anymore, it's just that the Warden isn't needed for this.

This isn't a Blight, this isn't Darkspawn related. Seriously, what can the Warden do to end the problem with the Breach? Without the glowing fade hand thing that allows the Inquisitor to close the tears, the Warden would be as useless as the average guy in this situation and would only be useful as yet another bit of cannon-fodder to throw at the demons.

To reiterate the tough love sentinment said above;

The Warden's story is over. Let it go. We've moved on.

You are missing my point. True, this isn't the Blight but the Darkspawn is always the threat and Corypheous is still around. True, the main threat this time is the demon and the Breach but that does'nt mean the Warden cannot help in someway. To be fair were it not for the tie to Mage-Templar war, Hawke is just average guy he/she can't even close the Breach.

Your "Let it go or Get over it and We have moved on" doesn't cut it if we don't get real closure, it pretty much a unresolve plothole.

[Sifr]

You are missing my point. True, this isn't the Blight but the Darkspawn is always the threat and Corypheous is still around. True, the main threat this time is the demon and the Breach but that does'nt mean the Warden cannot help in someway. To be fair were it not for the tie to Mage-Templar war, Hawke is just average guy he/she can't even close the Breach.

 

No, I understand you point, I just don't see it as being relevant. There are always Darkspawn around. They've been around long before the Warden was born and they'll probably be around long after the Warden's gone.

 

However, with no active Blight on the horizon nor any sign of the two remaining Archdemons, they're since retreated underground and are not an immediate threat to anyone but the Dwarves. And if you spared the Architect, it's hinted that Darkspawn activity has apparently decreased even further.

 

Sure, Corypheus might be a major disturbance in this current Interbellum between Blights, since he's capable of some degree of control over tainted individuals and Wardens, but we've still unclear on exactly what role he's going to play in DAI. We've been left to infer Corypheus has been massing his forces quietly in secret, which if so, begs the question of how should the Warden be aware of his existence or the threat he poses to the Grey Wardens? And if they are aware of him, what are they supposed to do to try and stop him? Wouldn't attacking him head on would be suicidally stupid, since they could end up under his thrall?

 

And I don't think that the Warden being missing is a major plot point that people need to really need closure on. People do leave the Wardens after all, so the Warden's "disappearance" could just be as simple as them wanting to retire and wanting to stay off the grid?

 

Hawke has far more relevance to the Mage-Templar war and reason to appear in the game than the Warden does.

[zqrahll]

That was not a cliffhanger.

 

It was, at best, an unresolved plot point. You might also call it "sequel bait", if you prefer, but a cliffhanger is where the central conflict of the story is left unresolved pending the next chapter--and is generally done in dramatic fashion to leave you "hanging" in anticipation.

 

Wanting every lingering question answered is understandable, but that does not make it a cliffhanger. And, yes, I know that is pedantic of me, but I work with words, so there you go.

Since the central conflict of the story was Mages vs. Templars, I'd say DA2 did end with a cliff hanger.  Mages vs. Templars pops up in tons of quests in all 3 acts, including being the main story of act 3, plus which of your siblings lives, and even inter-party conflict.  The ending is Mage/Templar War now everywhere in Thedas, with both games' main characters now missing & needed more than ever.  How is that not a cliff hanger? 

[Draninus]

No, I understand you point, I just don't see it as being relevant. There are always Darkspawn around. They've been around long before the Warden was born and they'll probably be around long after the Warden's gone.

 

However, with no active Blight on the horizon nor any sign of the two remaining Archdemons, they're since retreated underground and are not an immediate threat to anyone but the Dwarves. And if you spared the Architect, it's hinted that Darkspawn activity has apparently decreased even further.

 

Sure, Corypheus might be a major disturbance in this current Interbellum between Blights, since he's capable of some degree of control over tainted individuals and Wardens, but we've still unclear on exactly what role he's going to play in DAI. We've been left to infer Corypheus has been massing his forces quietly in secret, which if so, begs the question of how should the Warden be aware of his existence or the threat he poses to the Grey Wardens? And if they are aware of him, what are they supposed to do to try and stop him? Wouldn't attacking him head on would be suicidally stupid, since they could end up under his thrall?

 

And I don't think that the Warden being missing is a major plot point that people need to really need closure on. People do leave the Wardens after all, so the Warden's "disappearance" could just be as simple as them wanting to retire and wanting to stay off the grid?

 

Hawke has far more relevance to the Mage-Templar war and reason to appear in the game than the Warden does.

 

If you can't see how an individual who accomplished what the Warden did during DAO/DAA would be useful to the Inquisition, then we're just going to have to agree to disagree.  Especially considering that there are several former companions/acquaintances of the Warden involved with the Inquisition.  I'm fairly certain that if I was any of them and I was facing what they appear to be facing in Inquisition, I would certainly think to recruit one of the most decorated heroes in Thedas if possible.  I would especially not infer that he is useless because there is not a Blight looming.  Perhaps your experience was different, but I seem to remember the Warden killing a lot more than Darkspawn in my playthrough.

[TTTX]

Since the central conflict of the story was Mages vs. Templars, I'd say DA2 did end with a cliff hanger.  Mages vs. Templars pops up in tons of quests in all 3 acts, including being the main story of act 3, plus which of your siblings lives, and even inter-party conflict.  The ending is Mage/Templar War now everywhere in Thedas, with both games' main characters now missing & needed more than ever.  How is that not a cliff hanger? 

I think it's because DA:I main objective isn't about resolving templar mage war the devs have said we take of that early on.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

No, I understand you point, I just don't see it as being relevant. There are always Darkspawn around. They've been around long before the Warden was born and they'll probably be around long after the Warden's gone.

 

However, with no active Blight on the horizon nor any sign of the two remaining Archdemons, they're since retreated underground and are not an immediate threat to anyone but the Dwarves. And if you spared the Architect, it's hinted that Darkspawn activity has apparently decreased even further.

 

Sure, Corypheus might be a major disturbance in this current Interbellum between Blights, since he's capable of some degree of control over tainted individuals and Wardens, but we've still unclear on exactly what role he's going to play in DAI. We've been left to infer Corypheus has been massing his forces quietly in secret, which if so, begs the question of how should the Warden be aware of his existence or the threat he poses to the Grey Wardens? And if they are aware of him, what are they supposed to do to try and stop him? Wouldn't attacking him head on would be suicidally stupid, since they could end up under his thrall?

 

And I don't think that the Warden being missing is a major plot point that people need to really need closure on. People do leave the Wardens after all, so the Warden's "disappearance" could just be as simple as them wanting to retire and wanting to stay off the grid?

 

Hawke has far more relevance to the Mage-Templar war and reason to appear in the game than the Warden does.

Yeah, but my point is even if there are no active Blight on the surface the Grey Warden still have operation in the Deep Roads, and they visit the Deep Roads constantly if you remember some certain part in DA2 the Wardens are investigating Primeval Thaig and Nathaniel even tell you that their acquaintance information are supposed to be trustworthy but they walked into a trap and almost everyone got killed, and if you spared the Architect then you have unseen conclusion, and while the DAA's epilogue hinted that Darkspawn activity has been decreased it could change at any moment since the event in DAI is ten years after events in DAO, the Architect could turn out to be another threat after all. So...there you have it more Darkspawn's threat and warden's activity.

Since the Grey Warden has their own part to play in DAI, I fail to see why the Warden cannot be part of it, and at the very end of DA2 both Leliana and Cassandra were looking for both Hero of Felderen (the Warden), and Champion of Kirkwall (Hawke) it's implied that they doesn't care whether the Warden have connection to events in Kirkwall, they simply need someone powerful, competent, influential enough to help solve this Mage-Templar War. That and the reason Draninus's explain is why the Warden 's appearance in DAI can make sense.
 

 

We certainly have no idea what hold in the future at this point, and all our discussion is nothing more than speculation. However we know that Corypheus is active and he's out there up to no good, he may be the one responsible for  the wardens desert two strongholds in Orlais. The fact is from the Last Flight novel we also know that the Grey Warden are investigating this, but we don't know if the Warden take part in this. It's not necessary that the Warden must have physical appearance by the way. Feel free to speculate if you wish to.

That was your opinion, and not everyone share the same opinion as you. I didn't mean to be offence but I don't think you should speak for other people or for the majority. If BioWare's information about the Warden's closure apparently offends your head canon then it's hardly their fault don't you think? And by closure, I want to see how the Warden is doing that's all, is he live happily ever after with Morrigan and OGB or is he's still with the wardens or how's she doing helping Alistair ruling Felderen. I get the feeling the *real* reason you don't want to see the Warden is because it may break your headcanon.

Indeed, but without the connection to Mage-Templar war Hawke can simply go disappear, and he is unneeded in DAI.

[Sifr]

If you can't see how an individual who accomplished what the Warden did during DAO/DAA would be useful to the Inquisition, then we're just going to have to agree to disagree.  Especially considering that there are several former companions/acquaintances of the Warden involved with the Inquisition.  I'm fairly certain that if I was any of them and I was facing what they appear to be facing in Inquisition, I would certainly think to recruit one of the most decorated heroes in Thedas if possible.  I would especially not infer that he is useless because there is not a Blight looming.  Perhaps your experience was different, but I seem to remember the Warden killing a lot more than Darkspawn in my playthrough.

 

I'm not saying that the Warden isn't a complete and total badass who killed a lot of things, as well as having a lot of connections with some very powerful and important players. But if we take that logic and run with it, then we're going to end up debating whether or not the Warden shouldn't be running the whole show instead of a complete and utter n00b who's only important because they've got a glowing palm?

 

 

That was your opinion, and not everyone share the same opinion as you. I didn't mean to be offence but I don't think you should speak for other people or for the majority. If BioWare's information about the Warden's closure apparently offends your head canon then it's hardly their fault don't you think? And by closure, I want to see how the Warden is doing that's all, is he live happily ever after with Morrigan and OGB or is he's still with the wardens or how's she doing helping Alistair ruling Felderen. I get the feeling the *real* reason you don't want to see the Warden is because it may break your headcanon.

 

I never said either of those things.

 

I never claimed to speak for the majority of people, I was just agreeing with those players (and Bioware) who think that the Warden's story was pretty much over and we should move onto a new protagonist instead of obsessing over what our player characters from previous games.

 

Furthermore, I never said anything about headcanons. I just offered one possible reason that explains why the Warden went AWOL, I never said that had to be the only explanation. Whatever Bioware chooses to tell us (or not tell us) about what the Warden's been upto the entire time is upto them and I'm curious to see what they come up with?

 

Indeed, but without the connection to Mage-Templar war Hawke can simply go disappear, and he is unneeded in DAI.

 

This is something I do agree with, that while Hawke's story actually did need some closure (far more than the Warden) due to Exalted Marches DLC being cancelled, but I'd probably have preferred to have had it happen offscreen and we only hear about it second-hand.

 

I loved playing as the Warden and Hawke, but I don't want them shoehorned in or their presence to overshadow or invalidate the Inquisitor.

[aTigerslunch]

@GDog89, Warden Commander is my Warden, the awakening for me never introduced the orlesian warden cause mine all lived, and carried over to Awakening. I did do the death scene once just to get that achievement then restarted that battle with same Warden, he lived.

 

 

 

But granted there are more than one Warden Commanders out there.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I never said either of those things.

 

I never claimed to speak for the majority of people, I was just agreeing with those players (and Bioware) who think that the Warden's story was pretty much over and we should move onto a new protagonist instead of obsessing over what our player characters from previous games.

 

Furthermore, I never said anything about headcanons. I just offered one possible reason that explains why the Warden went AWOL, I never said that had to be the only explanation. Whatever Bioware chooses to tell us (or not tell us) about what the Warden's been upto the entire time is upto them and I'm curious to see what they come up with?

I'm not sure but from the way you spoke in your previous comment...argh...my mistake. Sorry, Let's moving on.
 

Eh, I didn't say that DAI or any future DA game has to be continuing adventure of the Warden nor Hawke. To tell you the truh, I'm also one of the people who is against the idea of same protagonist in every DA game. I know their story at least for the Warden is over after Witch Hunt is completed, and I'd like to see new protagonist for every DA game however although it will be very interesting to see our previous character's physical appearance I would like to see some real closure...something more than they simply disappear. I know better than dwelling on it at this point, and since DAI haven't been released yet. I'm going to wait until I see how BioWare handle the Warden's closure in DAI before I can judge anything.

It's possible, although I do not wish that as the reason BioWare never brought the Warden's physical appearance in DAI. I didn't mean to be offensive but people should know that their character's fate is in BioWare's hand right now, but if we are discussing about head canon then my Warden is still with the order, and he didn't travel through the Eluvian with Morrigan. Since BioWare has confirmed there will be no physical appearance of the Warden in DAI, I'm also curious to see how they will handle it so far. I'd like to be neutral at the moment but I don't want to see my Warden wild up dead as a random corpse or named ghoul somewhere...that is just insulting.
 

This is something I do agree with, that while Hawke's story actually did need some closure (far more than the Warden) due to Exalted Marches DLC being cancelled, but I'd probably have preferred to have had it happen offscreen and we only hear about it second-hand.

 

I loved playing as the Warden and Hawke, but I don't want them shoehorned in or their presence to overshadow or invalidate the Inquisitor.

Frankly, I can understand that reason, and don't get me wrong I'm not anti-Hawke or anything. I might prefer the Warden more because I feel truly attached to the character, and I may not like it when some people bashing the Warden for no reason. I would love to see my previous characters in DAI even if it's just cameo (please be nothing more than that), and I fully agree this is the Inquisitor's story so we don't need other heroes to stealing the spotlight. I still wish to see three heroes stand united against the Elder One, but oh well.
 

[Sifr]

I'm not sure but from the way you spoke in your previous comment...argh...my mistake. Sorry, Let's moving on.
 

Eh, I didn't say that DAI or any future DA game has to be continuing adventure of the Warden nor Hawke. To tell you the truh, I'm also one of the people who is against the idea of same protagonist in every DA game. I know their story at least for the Warden is over after Witch Hunt is completed, and I'd like to see new protagonist for every DA game however although it will be very interesting to see our previous character's physical appearance I would like to see some real closure...something more than they simply disappear. I know better than dwelling on it at this point, and since DAI haven't been released yet. I'm going to wait until I see how BioWare handle the Warden's closure in DAI before I can judge anything.

 

No worries and my apologies for having also misundestood where you were coming from. I probably let my frustration with the not-so-silent crowd who do seem to want the Warden in every game get the better of me.

 

I can see why having the Warden simply disappear might rub some people up the wrong way, but Gaider's comments on the matter seem to suggest their intention was that it was simply an open ended question, rather than an important plot point? Sure, I guess it's weird that both the Seekers and a spy like Leliana have no idea where the Warden disappeared too, but I doubt there is a conspiracy behind it.

 

Since BioWare has confirmed there will be no physical appearance of the Warden in DAI, I'm also curious to see how they will handle it so far. I'd like to be neutral at the moment but I don't want to see my Warden wild up dead as a random corpse or named ghoul somewhere...that is just insulting.

 

I completely agree that it'd suck to have the Warden (or Hawke) axed off just for the sake of getting rid of the character.

 

Frankly, I can understand that reason, and don't get me wrong I'm not anti-Hawke or anything. I might prefer the Warden more because I feel truly attached to the character, and I may not like it when some people bashing the Warden for no reason. I would love to see my previous characters in DAI even if it's just cameo (please be nothing more than that), and I fully agree this is the Inquisitor's story so we don't need other heroes to stealing the spotlight. I still wish to see three heroes stand united against the Elder One, but oh well.

 

Same, I'm cool with Hawke being just a cameo and nothing more than that. Although I must admit, your idea of all three of them getting involved in a melee a trois with the Elder One or some other big beasty would be truly awesome! Flashbacks to the 50th Anniversary episode of Doctor Who anyone?

 

[Jwlpo]

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Same, I'm cool with Hawke being just a cameo and nothing more than that. Although I must admit, your idea of all three of them getting involved in a melee a trois with the Elder One or some other big beasty would be truly awesome! Flashbacks to the 50th Anniversary episode of Doctor Who anyone?

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It's true that the Inquisitor needs help.
That may be overkill lol

[Jwlpo]

Darn I messed up the quote
Too tired