Had anyone ever watched the Avengers series? That's some cool **** Bioware is missing out. It's pretty much the same premise. Each game follows the self contained story of each protagonist and their struggles, with the culmination of the story having all the previous protagonists teaming up to defeat an common foe. That's is why I find this so utterly disappointing. Inquisition could provide such an iconic moment in the series, and Bioware just throw away that chance.
Not sure if I should cry or be hopeful.. DAO warden in DAI
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#652
Posté 02 octobre 2014 - 11:53
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Had anyone ever watched the Avengers series? That's some cool **** Bioware is missing out. It's pretty much the same premise. Each game follows the self contained story of each protagonist and their struggles, with the culmination of the story having all the previous protagonists teaming up to defeat an common foe. That's is why I find this so utterly disappointing. Inquisition could provide such an iconic moment in the series, and Bioware just throw away that chance.
We know they're planning a five game arc, so who knows if that might happen? 
#654
Posté 02 octobre 2014 - 12:16
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I still think they meant the DaO warden is over instead it be DAA warden
#655
Posté 02 octobre 2014 - 12:16
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It's not really about the Warden not being needed anymore, it's just that the Warden isn't needed for this.
This isn't a Blight, this isn't Darkspawn related. Seriously, what can the Warden do to end the problem with the Breach? Without the glowing fade hand thing that allows the Inquisitor to close the tears, the Warden would be as useless as the average guy in this situation and would only be useful as yet another bit of cannon-fodder to throw at the demons.
To reiterate the tough love sentinment said above;
The Warden's story is over. Let it go. We've moved on.
Speak for yourself. And no, it isn't over.
#656
Posté 02 octobre 2014 - 12:20
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I still think they meant the DaO warden is over instead it be DAA warden
The DAA Warden can also be the DA:O Warden and DAA is part of DA:O, an expanded epilogue.
#657
Posté 02 octobre 2014 - 12:25
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Speak for yourself. And no, it isn't over.
Yes it is. Unless you want the same protagonist to appear again in another game.
Which I personally think would be very boring and a waste of time.
Beter to focus on new stories and characters.
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#658
Posté 02 octobre 2014 - 12:26
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I can see why having the Warden simply disappear might rub some people up the wrong way, but Gaider's comments on the matter seem to suggest their intention was that it was simply an open ended question, rather than an important plot point? Sure, I guess it's weird that both the Seekers and a spy like Leliana have no idea where the Warden disappeared too, but I doubt there is a conspiracy behind it.
Really, they still might be connected. David said there's a story including the Warden but the character doesn't appear in the game. I mean heck, you might be fighting down to where a bunch of Wardens are being held captive/enthralled/being forced to do the hokey-poke forever only to find that The Warden has already broken free and killed all of the baddies in the last area. "It was awesome! You just missed him/her!" Or all of the people are too disoriented from endless hokey-pokies to identify themselves.
IE, The Warden doesn't need to appear in the game to have the disappearance resolved. We just don't know enough to know yet. 
#659
Posté 02 octobre 2014 - 12:28
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True just stating no longer just the warden they are The Commander of the Grey which a new chapterThe DAA Warden can also be the DA:O Warden and DAA is part of DA:O, an expanded epilogue.
#660
Posté 02 octobre 2014 - 12:34
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True just stating no longer just the warden they are The Commander of the Grey which a new chapter
still doesn't mean they are going to appear in DA:I, not physical anyway.
#661
Posté 02 octobre 2014 - 01:22
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Speak for yourself. And no, it isn't over.
Perhaps I should just leave this here?
If you were expecting DAI to be "the continued adventures of the DAO Warden", however, then no, it will definitely not be that. I feel quite comfortable in saying that will never happen, sorry.
#662
Posté 02 octobre 2014 - 01:54
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Really, they still might be connected. David said there's a story including the Warden but the character doesn't appear in the game. I mean heck, you might be fighting down to where a bunch of Wardens are being held captive/enthralled/being forced to do the hokey-poke forever only to find that The Warden has already broken free and killed all of the baddies in the last area. "It was awesome! You just missed him/her!" Or all of the people are too disoriented from endless hokey-pokies to identify themselves.
IE, The Warden doesn't need to appear in the game to have the disappearance resolved. We just don't know enough to know yet.
Exactly, like before we knew that Hawke was going to appear, we knew that whatever they were doing would still happen offscreen, much like the Warden during the events of DA2. What's wrong with them just being the Hero of Another Story? Garrus was still awesome in ME2 even though we never got to see any of the events of Archangel Begins.
It's not to say that I wouldn't be against it if Bioware decided to include the Warden in a future game, if the story they were involved in was worth telling. But at the moment, they don't seem to want to reverse their decision to avoid their Warden be explicitly defined in the novels or comics, despite it being their own continuity seperate from the games.
I'm all for the Warden to appear in a cameo if the story was right, but I just can't understand why people are so insistent it be this one? Frankly, Hawke was already pushing it with amount of exposition that's needed to explain their previous player protagonist cameo, so adding the Warden on top of that would have meant even more exposition and made the story seem even more cluttered.
Just because we're forming an Inquisition, doesn't mean it has to turn into a junk drawer we can just throw random characters into!
#663
Posté 02 octobre 2014 - 02:26
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Perhaps I should just leave this here?
Yeah, it's over according to the same man who thinks player agency and choice means jack squat.
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#664
Posté 02 octobre 2014 - 02:29
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Yeah, it's over according to the same man who thinks player agency and choice means jack squat.
The relevant part is that he's the lead writer.
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#665
Posté 02 octobre 2014 - 02:43
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My warden went through the mirror with Morrigan and ended up in a small village named Helgen waiting to be executed by a bunch of angry soldiers named the Imperials. His first thought was, "Dammit, she could have just said no...she didn't have to send me here!" He went on from there to kill Alduin, etc, etc, and is now living with a Dark Elf mercenary in his estate in Solitude while often sneaking over to the Bard's College for some...late night entertainment. He's too busy to come back to Thedas...not that he knows how to anyway. That's my story and I'm sticking to it...
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#666
Posté 02 octobre 2014 - 02:51
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My warden went through the mirror with Morrigan and ended up in a small village named Helgen waiting to be executed by a bunch of angry soldiers named the Imperials. His first thought was, "Dammit, she could have just said no...she didn't have to send me here!" He went on from there to kill Alduin, etc, etc, and is now living with a Dark Elf mercenary in his estate in Solitude while often sneaking over to the Bard's College for some...late night entertainment. He's too busy to come back to Thedas...not that he knows how to anyway. That's my story and I'm sticking to it...
#667
Posté 02 octobre 2014 - 02:53
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The relevant part is that he's the lead writer.
Unfortunately....
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#668
Posté 02 octobre 2014 - 02:58
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As much as I adore my Warden, there would for me have to be a very good story reason for the Warden to appear and I would not want my Warden to make an appearance just for the sake of it.
Therefore, I am happy with Bioware's decision to mention the Warden in Inquisition.
DAI is the story of the Inquisitor and I am looking forward to playing and learning more about the Inquisitor.
#669
Posté 02 octobre 2014 - 02:59
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It's not about the Warden.
It's about the Warden, Hawke, and the Inquisitor. On the screen. At the same time.
Except it's NOT the Warden
It wasn't the warden they said that pretty much after trailer and as i said if person rly cares about that to the point it is for them "must buy" they rather would search further for info about that if not is is nothing more than person fault somehow i doubt that devs wrote entire story with this grey warden and hawke just to show them in trailer.
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Posté 02 octobre 2014 - 03:08
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It wasn't the warden they said that pretty much after trailer and as i said if person rly cares about that to the point it is for them "must buy" they rather would search further for info about that if not is is nothing more than person fault somehow i doubt that devs wrote entire story with this grey warden and hawke just to show them in trailer.
If no one at bioware thought " hey people might jump to the conclusion that this is the warden the there is something wrong on there end" only the people who new how the default save state knew it was not the warden and most of them jumped on the it's the warden from DAA.
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Posté 02 octobre 2014 - 03:13
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If no one at bioware thought " hey people might jump to the conclusion that this is the warden the there is something wrong on there end" only the people who new how the default save state knew it was not the warden and most of them jumped on the it's the warden from DAA.
That some peoples jump to conclusions isn't rly their fault because pretty much peoples do that regardless of what they say pretty much even now peoples claim they lie or simple still warden from dao won't come back but warden from daa will despite they straight said that the warden won't be in dai.
#672
Posté 02 octobre 2014 - 03:17
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That some peoples jump to conclusions isn't rly their fault because pretty much peoples do that regardless of what they say pretty much even now peoples claim they lie or simple still warden from dao won't come back but warden from daa will despite they straight said that the warden won't be in dai.
yeah they did after everybody got there hope's up that is on biowear they should have seen it coming.
The only real reason the warden is not appearing is because of fear, fear of the fans
#673
Posté 02 octobre 2014 - 03:22
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yeah they did after everybody got there hope's up that is on biowear they should have seen it coming.
The only real reason the warden is not appearing is because of fear, fear of the fans
As i said they confirmed that wasn't warden in trailer very quickly some peoples didn't care and started to see what they wanted to see what not always is devs intention as we saw in that topic with DG where his word was taken by someone as something when he didn't mean to be them taken that way.
I don't what was their reason to not show up warden and i doubt you know but im glad they didn't show him for me it was simple less/more damage decision.
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Posté 02 octobre 2014 - 03:24
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As i said they confirmed that wasn't warden in trailer very quickly some peoples didn't care and started to see what they wanted to see what not always is devs intention as we saw in that topic with DG where his word was taken by someone as something when he didn't meant to be them taken that way.
I don't what was their reason to not show up warden and i doubt you know but im glad they didn't show him for me it was simple less/more damage decision.
What do you mean by simple less/more damage?.
#675
Posté 02 octobre 2014 - 03:34
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Yeah, it's over according to the same man who thinks player agency and choice means jack squat.
I doubt you could find a quote of him saying that. I'm curious though: what exactly did he say? I bet it's something like "player agency and meaningful choice doesn't mean you control the events of the world". David Gaider has said a few things I don't agree with, but I usually found it well-reasoned nonetheless.
