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[TheKomandorShepard]

What do you mean by simple less/more damage?.

Simple ****** off some peoples doing nothing or ****** off more peoples while putting resources into that.

[Ieldra]

I don't what was their reason to not show up warden and i doubt you know but im glad they didn't show him for me it was simple less/more damage decision.

Indeed. Too much potential for disaster and too little benefit in making the Warden appear. I bet about 90% of the people complaining about their Wardens' absence would've been up in arms after hearing the Warden speak in DAI: "That's not how he sounded like". "He sounds like a moron". Or even "That was nothing like her combat feedback voice".  Yeah right.

[Ray561]

Indeed. Too much potential for disaster and too little benefit in making the Warden appear. I bet about 90% of the people complaining about their Wardens' absence would've been up in arms after hearing the Warden speak in DAI: "That's not how he sounded like". Yeah right.

The warden never need to speak them being a silent NPC would have been better then hey we bought the warden back in to the game at the end of DA2 by making them vanish and make a big deal about it now you can read a codex or here some people mention them in dialog or in the background. 

 

"Oh and you know if your warden was King or queen of Ferelden no one will care that there missing because you should have sacrificed your warden".

 

If they didn't want to do anything the warden they should have let them be as they were, but there scared of the fans ( Granted after the ME3 ending backlash I see why.).

 

The warden is there character it's time they let the fans know that.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The warden never need to speak them being a silent NPC would have been better then hey we bought the warden back in to the game at the end of DA2 by making them vanish and make a big deal about it now you can read a codex or here some people mention them in dialog or in the background. 

 

"Oh and you know if your warden was King or queen of Ferelden no one will care that there missing because you should have sacrificed your warden".

 

If they didn't want to do anything the warden they should have let them be as they were, but there scared of the fans ( Granted after the ME3 ending backlash I see why.).

 

The warden is there character it's time they let the fans know that.

The warden isn't rly their character of course they can do in their universe what they want but as i said reaction wouldn't be pretty so they avoided that.

 

Simple if you say it is their character then you rly shouldn't complain that they made warden missing as if it is their character they wirte them.

 

Im fine with warden missing as that says pretty much nothing and no one can says that warden don't do things that you wanted them to do. 

[Ray561]

The warden isn't rly their character of course they can do in their universe what they want but as i said reaction wouldn't be pretty so they avoided that.

 

Simple if you say it is their character then you rly shouldn't complain that they made warden missing as if it is their character they wirte them.

 

Im fine with warden missing as that says pretty much nothing and no one can says that warden don't do things that you wanted them to do. 

So I'm right there scared of the fan backlash when it come's to the warden.

 

If the warden is not really there character like you say then they should have left them as they were with small little mentions like in DA2.

 

That's great but I hate the Idea of bring a character back only to make them MIA there going to do some dam good explaining for why Hawke is in DAI and not the Warden in the game and not just the warden is on a mission.

 

The warden's story was over they should have left it that way if they are only going to designate them to small character mentions.

[Jwlpo]

So I'm right there scared of the fan backlash when it come's to the warden.

If the warden is not really there character like you say then they should have left them as they were with small little mentions like in DA2.

That great but I hate the Idea of bring a character back on to do is make them MIA.
The warden's story was over they should have left it that way if they are only going to designate them to small character mentions.

Didn't Mr.Gaider say that they would get more than a passing reference?

And they still have a story around them?

[Ray561]

Didn't Mr.Gaider say that they would get more than a passing reference?

And they still have a story around them?

If the warden is only going to be referenced then that is all Hawke should have been because DAI is not hawks story just like it's not the wardens. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

So I'm right there scared of the fan backlash when it come's to the warden.

 

If the warden is not really there character like you say then they should have left them as they were with small little mentions like in DA2.

 

That's great but I hate the Idea of bring a character back only to make them MIA there going to do some dam good explaining for why Hawke is in DAI and not the Warden in the game and not just the warden is on a mission.

 

The warden's story was over they should have left it that way if they are only going to designate them to small character mentions.

They will have fan backlash regardless they just wanted pick up smaller and that won't require resources.

 

As i said if you truly thought that is their character you shouldn't complain what they do with it.

 

The warden story wasn't over if he was alive we just wouldn't see how his story went and that could went various ways depending on player protagonist same here you don't know where warden is and you can't tell what he is doing.

[Ray561]

They will have fan backlash regardless they just wanted pick up smaller and that won't require resources.

 

As i said if you truly thought that is their character you shouldn't complain what they do with it.

 

The warden story wasn't over if he was alive we just wouldn't see how his story went and that could went various ways depending on player protagonist same here you don't know where warden is and you can't tell what he is doing.

and Hawke should have stayed the same.

[TheKomandorShepard]

and Hawke should have stayed the same.

Well i won't argue because i would prefer that as well but well hawke was easier for them to bring back but i already explained reasons why in that topic and i don't want repeat myself as it can be find rather easily.

[SgtSteel91]

Eh, I already imagined that the Warden was helping Morrigan with whatever plan she has behind the scenes and taking care of their child. I get the feeling that is going to be gist of their relevance to the story if they romanced Morrigan, did the Dark Ritual, and went through the Eluvian with her.

[In Exile]

I see no "desecration". Would you care to explain? Apart from that, I am rather suspicious of a mindset that would use the term "desecration" in this context.

There is no evidence that Bioware will do anything demeaning, horribly disfiguring etc. to the Warden. I don't even think they'll kill them unconditionally, though their survival may depend on decisions made in DAO.

DAA forces you to not just continue as a Warden (i.e., as a formal part of the organisation) but thrusts you into a leadership position that you seem to gleefully accept. It would be one thing if - like DAO - there was some reason to be forced into it. But you become the Warden Commander without any outside impetus because, apparently, you now Wardens. Despite the fact that DAO did not require you identify or agree with the Warden organisation at all, and in fact you weren't even really a Warden in any meaningful way since you knew nothing about the order, had no actual formal contact with it since you just joined, and the only other Warden with you didn't know jack about the order or what it did beside kill darkspawn.

But in DAA you suddenly become a loyal stalwart of the order.

That's character assassination. Like a sole survivor Shepard who's suddenly real cool with Cerberus. Or a pro Cerberus Shepard who's suddenly super cool with the alliance.

[In Exile]

How was the Warden's appearance in Awakening "desecrating" the character?

Warden alive:

Congratulations, you saved Ferelden from the Blight and survived. You're now Warden-Commander since someone is needed who's respected and trusted enough by the people to run Amaranthine, as well as because there's still some cleanup that needs doing, since for some reason the Darkspawn still haven't all returned underground? Just because you saved the world, you still have a job to do!

Warden dead:

The Blight is over! Unfortunately, most of the Wardens in Ferelden are dead. We're going to need a new Warden-Commander to oversee the clean-up and running of Amaranthine... Alistair is not an option, since he's King/exiled/dead/probably going to threaten to quit if given the job. If Loghain was recruited, the Fereldan people are never going to trust him to lead another army after what he did at Ostagar, so he's out too. Sure they'll hate an Orlesian Warden taking the post, but who else is there?

You're forced to be Warden commander. There's no option not to do it - to get an Orlesian Warden you're stuck with a default history. So your Warden how has to gleefully give a **** about helping the Wardens establish a presence in Ferelden even though by all accounts all that's left to do is mop up darkspawn. DAA only works if your character identities with the GWs.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

You're forced to be Warden commander. There's no option not to do it - to get an Orlesian Warden you're stuck with a default history. So your Warden how has to gleefully give a **** about helping the Wardens establish a presence in Ferelden even though by all accounts all that's left to do is mop up darkspawn. DAA only works if your character identities with the GWs.

If it helps, I believe they're planning to allow editing with the Keep to have an Orlesian Warden potentially take over from the Hero Of Ferelden.

[In Exile]

If it helps, I believe they're planning to allow editing with the Keep to have an Orlesian Warden potentially take over from the Hero Of Ferelden.

That's a different conversation from what DAA did. So while maybe the keep fixes DAAs issue - though I read those comments as going to the issue of having a US warden and moving to the Orelsian which DAA doesn't allow - that's not a reason to believe Bioware won't just stick with their character interpretation of the Warden as a loyal member of the order.

[TheKomandorShepard]

You're forced to be Warden commander. There's no option not to do it - to get an Orlesian Warden you're stuck with a default history. So your Warden how has to gleefully give a **** about helping the Wardens establish a presence in Ferelden even though by all accounts all that's left to do is mop up darkspawn. DAA only works if your character identities with the GWs.

True but there was response in daa to say that it is only temporary so i rly hope they won't pull that the warden is loyal to the wardens because some of my wardens simple weren't.

[dsl08002]

The thing is that we responds different to each main character and sometimes get attached to them depending how we play. Some people like me favours the warden, some favours Hawke and others are waiting for the character in DAI, sometimes you don't get attached and just "play" because its a game.

 

And I get really annoyed when some people aggressively jumps in a forum when you discuss for example the warden, saying that "the story is over and move on". If we want to discuss warden, let us do it then. and it is not a good Idea to verbaly abuse other characters and vice versa claiming that other is better. Not very mature. but enough about that .

 

My point is that during this last few hours with bioware and all, is that you react strongly because it feels that you are neglected as a fan of the series only because you have a favorite character that doesn't seem to be highly regarded by the same company that wrote it. (speaking from my own heart) for example why should that character appear and not that one and that it doesn't seem fair and so on.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

You're forced to be Warden commander. There's no option not to do it - to get an Orlesian Warden you're stuck with a default history. So your Warden how has to gleefully give a **** about helping the Wardens establish a presence in Ferelden even though by all accounts all that's left to do is mop up darkspawn. DAA only works if your character identities with the GWs.

 

You can just skip Awakening and go straight to GOA/Witch Hunt/DA2 if you want. Awakening is optional and not mandatory for the Wardens story.

[GDog89]

The DAA none import the loop hole because frankly The OW would be less heart breaking than the HOF which honestly isnt a big deal if they appear for a small of two minutes a battlr happen then they disappear again the end.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Please. That's an exaggeration if I've ever heard one. You think that once word reached Weisshaupt of the HoF and the Fifth Blight the First Warden would just shrug and say 'next'? It's one thing to not enjoy being a Warden. It's another to shirk your duty. The Warden ends a Blight, in a year, with no back up except for Alistair/Loghain and Riordan. If they're anything it's dutiful.

Not rly when it can be true in some cases motives why wardens stops blight can be different depending on dialogues you took.

[ThatCityElf]

but Hawke's story ended on a major cliffhanger and he is involved in the Mage-Templar conflict so it makes more sense for him to appear than the Warden (also its easier because he could only be human and have three pre set personalities)

Still its a shame about the Warden I really wanted to see him again

 

It's also easier because male and female Hawke have a set voice actor, while the Warden could have potentially seven different voices per race (somewhere around that number), most of those voices only saying basic phrases.

 

I still feel your pain though. I was hoping to see my Warden too, at least a cameo with a helmet on or something similar to Kotor 2 when you fight a vision of Revan, but as much as I love the idea of seeing my Warden again, I just can't see a way they could be included without ruining that character. We'd have to hand the character off to the developers and live with their control over them and while I could care less about the developers controlling Hawke (who never had control over his own life to begin with) I would hate for them to toy too much with my Warden, whom I have a specific image and personality for.

 

Needless to say, I am looking forward to their explanation about their disappearances. I hope it's a good one.

[myahele]

Well if our Warden gets possessed/ transformed by the Elder One then the warden "sort of" appearing makes sense. But will Bioware do it though?