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[TheKomandorShepard]

a weak story at best im betting

Well that depends on what you consider good story as far we don't know what that story is and in what way that involves the warden at best we can guess what it can be.

[PrinceLionheart]

I think it's stupid Hawke would likely have a bigger role in DAI, when s/he's the hero of ONE F-ing town. Not a whole country. It's pretty much a "TY Warden for saving our sorry ares, so here's a reference about you in DA2, now F off." Hawke was ok, but no where near cool as the Warden.

 

The entire conflict of Inquisition is springboarding from what happened in that one town, so it makes perfect sense.

[Who Knows]

Okay, so how on earth would we have the Warden appear on-screen in a non-trivial way without seriously pissing off a lot of fans and their myriad interpretations of the character?

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Okay, so how on earth would we have the Warden appear on-screen in a non-trivial way without seriously pissing off a lot of fans and their myriad interpretations of the character?

I'm still undecided on that.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I'm still undecided on that.

Until Bioware's able to find a way, I'd recommend they abstain from reusing the Warden.

[Jaison1986]

Okay, so how on earth would we have the Warden appear on-screen in a non-trivial way without seriously pissing off a lot of fans and their myriad interpretations of the character?

 

The same could be said about Hawke. Giving them an personality type isn't enough for an true characterization. And they will bring him/her back either way. Bioware might as well go all the way and bring the full team back.

[raging_monkey]

Well that depends on what you consider good story as far we don't know what that story is and in what way that involves the warden at best we can guess what it can be.

imbjust a pessimist on this subject i just suspect BW to royally screw some fans sure your glad and i respect that even admire(wish i was cool with it) but while i love BW and there stories i still expect to be kicked in the quad and told "hey warden your too much work and toomany variables, so we will kill yuo off screen with a contrived ME3 senario"

It could not be the case butbi wouldnt put it pass them

[In Exile]

The Warden as a character has the chance to mold his or her experience through a large and interesting network of stories and challenges. Hawke, by comparison, was stuck on a linear track with a few pit-stops at the same places. Comparing the Warden to Hawke is like comparing a car to a train - they both go places but one gives a better illusion of choice and a greater range of places to go to. 

 

The Warden and Hawke are very similar: killing machines who largely don't have a say in anything other than in which person they choose to listen to in deciding how to apply their killing power. The Warden had more choices, and ostensibly more important choices, but they're both very passive heroes whose stories just involve doing what they are told. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

The same could be said about Hawke. Giving them an personality type isn't enough for an true characterization. And they will bring him/her back either way. Bioware might as well go all the way and bring the full team back.

Da 2 already recored your pc personality so you had "dominant personality" (1 of 3 possible) not mention that hawke pretty much was much more defined as protagonist and add to that his story wasn't over as they canceled his dlc and told they will resolve that in dai.  

[In Exile]

Da 2 already recored your pc personality so you had "dominant personality" (1 of 3 possible) not mention that hawke pretty much was much more defined as protagonist and add to that his story wasn't over as they canceled his dlc and told they will resolve that in dai.  

 

Bioware protagonists are always defined. Very defined, in fact. People somehow think that the lack of voice made the Warden less defined in DA:O, but that's pure headcannon. You even had preset personalities and a reputation for your origin! 

[raging_monkey]

Da 2 already recored your pc personality so you had "dominant personality" (1 of 3 possible) not mention that hawke pretty much was much more defined as protagonist and add to that his story wasn't over as they canceled his dlc and told they will resolve that in dai.

should have left him cancelled and in limbo imo

[TheKomandorShepard]

Bioware protagonists are always defined. Very defined, in fact. People somehow think that the lack of voice made the Warden less defined in DA:O, but that's pure headcannon. You even had preset personalities and a reputation for your origin! 

eee not rly?

Hawke and Shepard were more or less defined but their previous characters save for perhaps backstory had no personality save for what players put out this.And no origins don't set your personality pretty much as human noble origin shows us if we tell that we didn't belived in maker character see that as we never belived in him during our life if we pray character simple is believer so wardens personality is created by player.  

[SgtSteel91]

I wonder if the Warden is alright considering...

Spoiler

Corypheus is apparently controlling the Grey Wardens in Inquisition

[In Exile]

eee not rly?

Hawke and Shepard were more or less defined but their previous characters save for perhaps backstory had no personality save for what players put out this.And no origins don't set your personality pretty much as human noble origin shows us if we tell that we didn't belived in maker character see that as we never belived in him during our life if we pray character simple is believer so wardens personality is created by player.  

 

The HN is pre-set to be ignorant and anti-learning. Even your [Cunning] option nets you a "WTF, you paid attention enough learn things?" from the tutor. The dialogue options with your father are generally geared toward being an upstart displeased with not being allowed to go to battle, although you do have dutiful options as well. In the CE you are a hellraiser - that's basically what everyone says about you, and that's what the actual narrative arc is set up to be, etc.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I wonder if the Warden is alright considering...

Spoiler

Corypheus is apparently controlling the Grey Wardens in Inquisition

Spoiler

They just got a massive power boost due to the saner Circle mages and Templars signing up to avoid fighting each other in the war...

[TheKomandorShepard]

The HN is pre-set to be ignorant and anti-learning. Even your [Cunning] option nets you a "WTF, you paid attention enough learn things?" from the tutor. The dialogue options with your father are generally geared toward being an upstart displeased with not being allowed to go to battle, although you do have dutiful options as well. In the CE you are a hellraiser - that's basically what everyone says about you, and that's what the actual narrative arc is set up to be, etc.

Again not rly? You can pretty much say that you love spend time in library of course you can play with role you mentioned (that is 1 option) but you don't have to... pretty much you can play even extremes in human noble you can be rebellious or as you said dutiful.

 

It is like saying that if i have options to be pri*** the warden is a pri***.  

[Urazz]

Okay, so how on earth would we have the Warden appear on-screen in a non-trivial way without seriously pissing off a lot of fans and their myriad interpretations of the character?

Simply put, it doesn't matter since the Warden is no longer our character to play and any things the players have decided about their characters that is not in game is something of their own invention and is not considered canon.

[GDog89]

Well Ill say again they said DAO Warden not DAA Warden which has the option to import or use the new Commander from Orlais so tecnincally if you're so worried about the HOF having a big fail scene The OWC can take the hit for them. Problem Solved most would likely be happy with a choice option A or B keeping those who wanna cameo happy and those that fear the warden might say something dumb. To me if Hawke is in The Commander should be as well both would improve the inquisition greatly plus the inquisitor get to have a glory moment havr not 1 but 2 Legends under their banner.

[TTTX]

Well Ill say again they said DAO Warden not DAA Warden which has the option to import or use the new Commander from Orlais so tecnincally if you're so worried about the HOF having a big fail scene The OWC can take the hit for them. Problem Solved most would likely be happy with a choice option A or B keeping those who wanna cameo happy and those that fear the warden might say something dumb. To me if Hawke is in The Commander should be as well both would improve the inquisition greatly plus the inquisitor get to have a glory moment havr not 1 but 2 Legends under their banner.

The DAA warden can also be the DA:O warden and is also a blank slate.

[twizbuck]

Yeah... the Warden's story, the more I dwell on it, is gonna be botched. If there's anything about the Warden in DAI, with the Warden not making an appearance, it'll be all codex/predetermined story. Meaning their fate is out of our hands.

 

*sigh*

 

I'd rather they just leave the Warden out entirely.

 

EDIT: And this "They said DAO Warden!" stuff just seems nitpicky to me.

[KoorahUK]

Hawkes story is directly linked to the events in DA:I. The Wardens is not. Hawkes story ended just before Inquisitions begins. The Wardens ended 10 years prior. From a narrative perspective it makes perfect sense why Hawke may appear and the Warden doesn't. Shoe horning the Warden in just for fan service is a terrible idea.

Of course there are ways it could be done, but just because it could, doesn't mean it should or is worth the developmemt resources to implement.

[JFarr74]

David Gaider recently stated that even though the Warden will not appear, he/she will be more involved that just gossip or a passing mention. He said there's actually a story involving/surrounding the Warden. Even though he/she will not appear in-game, I'm glad and content that they will be a part of the plot.

[Shahadem]

Maybe our Warden (assuming he/she survived Origins) is the Duncan of Dragon Age: Inquisition?

 

So the warden will be a minor character who dies within the first two hours of the game?

 

In terms of character development, I learned about as much about Jory as I did about Duncan, and between the two of them I prefer Jory to Duncan.

 

Plus there really is no way to shoehorn the Warden into a brand new game because there were so many possible endings for the Warden.

 

My own Warden is now the Elvish Queen of Ferelden who will live forever because that crazy three hundred year old grey warden alchemist/mage, who lived in the desecrated fortress, figured out a way to turn Grey Warden juice into an immortality serum. And I'm not making this up, this was actually the main thrust of one of the DLCs.

 

Now she's more worried about running her kingdom, overseeing the education of her children, and keeping Alistair from making any serious gaffs when entertaining the nobility from the other nations, than she is about some templar/mage war being waged in some far off corner of the world.

[Shahadem]

Again not rly? You can pretty much say that you love spend time in library of course you can play with role you mentioned (that is 1 option) but you don't have to... pretty much you can play even extremes in human noble you can be rebellious or as you said dutiful.

 

It is like saying that if i have options to be [a] pri*** the[n the] warden is a pri***.  

 

But that is exactly the point of BEING a character in a video game. The character IS however you play the character.

 

This is also why books based on video games can't work, because they completely fail to understand the importance of the player's actions, decisions, interpretations and conceptions which create the story that the player sees.

 

One of the best examples of the monumental failure of video game based books are the ones arising from KOTOR. From my perspective, and from what the game lead me to believe and interpret, Revan is a woman who returned to being the Dark Lord of the Sith at the end of the video game. Malak, according to this playthrough, fell to the dark side because that was the only way he could remain at the side of the woman he loved more than anything else in the galaxy.

 

Thus the book, which follows a male Revan who turns to the light side is illegitimate because that doesn't follow Revan's story as I understand it to be.

 

Likewise the MMO SWTOR is also illegitimate because it follows the light sided male Revan from the book even though I know that Revan was female and dark sided.

 

I think this quote from the Misery movie is most on point with how Bioware has mishandled continuity in their most recent games and why they should therefore stop bringing back player characters from previous games in the series:

 

Annie Wilkes: [shouting] [M]y favorite was Rocketman, and once it was a no breaks chapter. The bad guy stuck him in a car on a mountain road and knocked him out and welded the door shut and tore out the brakes and started him to his death, and he woke up and tried to steer and tried to get out but the car went off a cliff before he could escape! And it crashed and burned and I was so upset and excited, and the next week, you better believe I was first in line. And they always start with the end of the last week. And there was Rocketman, trying to get out, and here comes the cliff, and just before the car went off the cliff, he jumped free! And all the kids cheered! But I didn't cheer. I stood right up and started shouting. This isn't what happened last week! Have you all got amnesia? They just cheated us! This isn't fair! HE DID'NT GET OUT OF THE **** - A - DOODIE CAR!

[JFarr74]

I'm just happy that the Warden is involved in the story in some way.  In one of the new Inquisition trailers (specifically, the PC one), if I recall correctly, one of the quests says something along the lines of "Go to the war table and find the Warden" underneath "Meet Hawke and Stroud in the Western Approach."