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[daveliam]

they are actual facts

 

http://www.bioware.ru/forum/forum/223/

 

http://www.bioware.r...um/topic/27755/

 

The first link is just to the Russian forum.  The second link is to a thread, but there is no specific post indicated to support your statements.

[phantomrachie]

No. 'plus size' being considered attractive (well, if you define 'plus size' like in the picture in your link, anyway) in the 1600s is simply not true. The entire notion is based solely on the pictures of a single painter, namely Rubens, who is of course also the person who painted the 'example' picture in your link. But it's not an example, because no one else painted women like that. One guy's paintings are not enough to determine the beauty standards of an entire continent over a century.

 

It's not just Ruben's paintings, women's fashion at the time meant wearing bodices that increased your waistline. There are some examples here.

 

I agree that one man's paintings can't tell you what people found attractive for an entire century but the paintings and fashions of the time, indicate that features were found beautiful then that are not necessarily considered beautiful now which was my point.

 

If you've got a link that says otherwise, I'd love to read it.

 

[daveliam]

she is human

 

she is non-mage

 

she have Antivan noble/merchant heritage and she was a Ambassador In Orlais Empire

 

she is bisexual and old as very trusted friend of Lelianna who was putted in Inquisition as Cullen

 

Okay, so where is the evidence for:

 

* not so andrastian zealot

* who is pro Orlais/Antiva/Orlais Chantry/Templar/Seekers

[Bayonet Hipshot]

she is human

 

she is non-mage

 

she have Antivan noble/merchant heritage and she was a Ambassador In Orlais Empire

 

she is bisexual and old as very trusted friend of Lelianna who was putted in Inquisition as Cullen

 

According to Allegra, her VO, Josephine also likes wine, the sea, blushes cutely and know how to school some nobles. She also has an exotic accent. 

 

So yeah, Josie is the girl working from home. 

[daveliam]

 

It's not just Ruben's paintings, women's fashion at the time meant wearing bodices that increased your waistline. There are some examples here.

 

I agree that one man's paintings can't tell you what people found attractive for an entire century but the paintings and fashions of the time, indicate that features were found beautiful then that are not necessarily considered beautiful now which was my point.

 

If you've got a link that says otherwise, I'd love to read it.

 

 

 

In the 15th and 16th century in Europe, it was fashionable to be pale, blonde, and plump.  Catherine of Aragon (and her sister, Juana) were considered to be some of the most beautiful women in Europe at the time:

 

http://upload.wikime..._Sittow_002.jpg

http://en.wikipedia....Flandes_003.jpg

[phantomrachie]

she is human

 

she is non-mage

 

she have Antivan noble/merchant heritage and she was a Ambassador In Orlais Empire

 

she is bisexual and old as very trusted friend of Lelianna who was putted in Inquisition as Cullen

 

 I get that your point is that straight male Inquisitors have only humans & non mages to romance, but you've also said that their only romance options are Chantry Zealots, which we have no evidence of when it comes to Josephine.

 

And bare in mind that this limitation is only there if you choose to play as a straight male Inquisitor, if you play a gay male Inquisition you get Dorian or play as a female elf to get Solas, both Mages.

 

In DA:O, I rolled a straight male Warden specifically for Morrigan and in DA:I I'll be rolling a straight male for Cass & a gay male for Dorian. 

 

Consider creating a wide variety of Inquisitors to get the content you want.

[Asdrubael Vect]

According to Allegra, her VO, Josephine also likes wine, the sea, blushes cutely and know how to school some nobles. She also has an exotic accent. 

 

So yeah, Josie is the girl working from home. 

she have Antivan noble/merchant heritage and she was a Ambassador In Orlais Empire

 

i does not know any Antivan or Orlais who do not like wine,  school nobles and not have specific accent what is  irritates many

 

and they all are faithful Andrastians of Orlais Chantry

[daveliam]

and they all are faithful Andrastians of Orlais Chantry

 

Ah, so you are just assuming that she's a "zealot" and pro-chantry because she's Antivan.  Got it.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Ah, so you are just assuming that she's a "zealot" and pro-chantry because she's Antivan.  Got it.

noble Antivan who was Ambassador in Orlais and old friend of Lelianna who is very trusted by her and Cassandra(nothing goes without Cassandra) to put on high position in Inquisition as Cullen was

[AresKeith]

she is human

she is non-mage

she is andrastian

she have Antivan noble/merchant heritage and she was a Ambassador In Orlais Empire

she is bisexual and old as very trusted friend of Lelianna who was putted in Inquisition as Cullen

She's Ambassador of Antivan and the Inquisition not Orlais

Again please get your facts together before trying to brand someone

[AresKeith]

noble Antivan who was Ambassador in Orlais and old friend of Lelianna who is very trusted by her and Cassandra(nothing goes without Cassandra) to put on high position in Inquisition as Cullen was

And both Cass and Leliana are open-minded

[phantomrachie]

 

and they all are faithful Andrastians of Orlais Chantry

 

None of the other Antivan's we've met so far seem devout, with the possible exception of Oriana Cousland

[daveliam]

noble Antivan who was Ambassador in Orlais and old friend of Lelianna who is very trusted by her and Cassandra(nothing goes without Cassandra) to put on high position in Inquisition as Cullen was

 

Again, you are making assumptions.  It's fine to make assumptions, but don't try to pretend that you aren't when you get called out on it.  The fact (actual fact) is that we don't know what her views are on mages, the Chantry, the Seekers, the Divine, the Andrastean religirion, etc.

[WildOrchid]

*facedesk*

[Lennard Testarossa]

It's not just Ruben's paintings, women's fashion at the time meant wearing bodices that increased your waistline. There are some examples here.

 

I agree that one man's paintings can't tell you what people found attractive for an entire century but the paintings and fashions of the time, indicate that features were found beautiful then that are not necessarily considered beautiful now which was my point.

 

If you've got a link that says otherwise, I'd love to read it.

 

I looked a bit for a comprehensive source on the subject, but couldn't really find any who I didn't find severely lacking. In the absence of that, I'd consider simply getting an overview of Baroque paintings of women to be helpful, especially of ones that depict Venus or similar subjects that are definitively supposed to be beautiful. Most depicitions look something like this:

 

Spoiler

 

Sleeping Venus by Artemisia Gentileschi

 

 

They are significantly heavier than would be considered attractive today (or even in the 1500s or 1700s), but they are not so heavy as to lack smoothness or roundness or be obese.

[Melca36]

because our choices is

 

human nonmage Orlais templar/seeker and right hand of Orlais Divine, andrastian zealot who is pro Orlais/Orlais Chantry/Templar/Seekers

 

human nonmage  Antivan noble/merchant Ambassador in Orlais, not so andrastian zealot(but who is a bisexual trusted old friend of Lelianna) who is pro Orlais/Antiva/Orlais Chantry/Templar/Seekers

 

You can't get everything you want from this world.  And given your posts...you are obviously young and don't understand that.

 

How about playing the game first before coming to all these conclusions?

[Vindicare175]

Hello. After seeing the new romance options for hetro male char's, I was wondering if you'd make romance DLC. In my opinion, they're too masculine or unattractive. Many friends I know agree with me, which is kinda sad since previous versions of existing char's are more attrative. I believe there are only two or three you can romance. Which is a low number. So, since I and many others won't be using the romance feature in DA:I, I was wondering if you'd have it as DLC and knock off $5-$10 the price of the game. Thanks.

 

No , there won't be romance dlc. All dlc will be story-based involving our current roster of companions and maybe the Advisors as well from what i've read from Bioware. And yes Straight males only get 2 Options .. problem is what exactly , the 2 options we get are fantastic. Everyone gets 2 , Except Straight Women who get 5 which again , I don't see the problem. Let the Ladies have the advantage for once. 

 

Wow! I really didn't expect this much attention. I have read all of your posts, and I appreciate all the constructive criticism. Thank you for taking time on replying to my post, but I'm still not seeing your side of the argument. Well, I wouldn't call it an argument, but you know what I mean. One poster suggested that a large sample size of men found the two romance options attractive. I'm sorry, but I can not agree. The majority of men are attracted to feminine looking women, about in their mid to late 20's, and with a healthy body to weight ratio. Now of course there are going to be some variances to a degree.

 

 

Wrong , go look threw the forums. Plenty of us men think Cassandra/Josephine are attractive , myself included. I don't see how either of them would be classified as unattractive or *Not Feminine* 

 

From a personal view , I find women who are fit and in shape quite attractive , shows that they take care of themselves (what cassandra should look like..swear if its like FemShep again i'm going to flip a table)

[Super Drone]

No , there won't be romance dlc. All dlc will be story-based involving our current roster of companions and maybe the Advisors as well from what i've read from Bioware. And yes Straight males only get 2 Options .. problem is what exactly , the 2 options we get are fantastic. Everyone gets 2 , Except Straight Women who get 5 which again , I don't see the problem. Let the Ladies have the advantage for once. 

 

 

They had the advantage last game too. Dragon Age seems to be focusing their romance content toward straight females.

 

Not that that bothers me too much. I have issues with the straight male options, and I wish they had done things differently. But straight girls having more options is not why I'm disappointed.

 

as to the two options we're getting being fantastic, I'm not sold.

[Grieving Natashina]

This is a general statement towards the folks that threatening to take their ball and go home if BW doesn't give them exactly what they want, so take me saying "you" as such.

 

I could get behind this whole "focusing their romance content towards straight females" if straight women got more than one extra option (4 instead of 3.)  Focusing on straight women would be giving them 4 options while everyone else gets maybe one.  That isn't the case.

 

So, on that note, why the disappointment?  They don't look like your ideal women?  Cass looks like a female warrior, is that it?  She has short hair, which is practical for battle.  She's got a scar or two, which, sorry, but warriors tend to get.  I bet you would have no issues with a guy that's scarred.  That's okay for men right?  All women love scars.  

 

Naturally she has scars, given she's a veteran of battle. The sword/claw isn't going to cut less deep just because it's a woman receiving the blow.  

 

We don't know hardly anything about Cassandra and even less about Josie.  I'm still puzzling over what the issue is over Josie and her NPC status, considering that the devs have said that the NPC romances have just as much of the word budget as the companion ones.  

 

I'm sorry you're not sold on this.  You do realize that while feedback is welcomed by the devs, this is the kind of thing they roll their eyes at.  They aren't going to magically give anyone regardless of gender or orientation more options after release.  As I said before, time and time again the devs have said they are not interested in making the majority happy.  Which is, in this case, a few vocal straight men.  

 

You don't have to like it.  No one is forcing you do to the romances.  I did several "nomances" of BioWare games because the one (yes, one) choice I had wasn't for me.  I have a lot of LGBT friends that ended up doing the same. We still loved it, even though we felt like an afterthought when it came to the romances.  The friendships are what make the games what they are, not who your PC kisses.

 

Hell, no one is forcing you to play the game. If you want to vote with your wallet because you feel you won't be getting the most for your dollar, then I fully respect that.  I've done so as well with other companies, due to the direction they were taking.  I did not, however, sit on the forums and badger them (and everyone else) for not making the game I specifically wanted.

 

You can threaten and plead and protest all you like.  You can demand, give "facts" about biology/psychology that should "back up your point on why these women are unattractive," give statistics about how much you are the majority.  BioWare doesn't give a crap if you are the majority and aren't happy.  They aren't going to do a romance DLC just because a few straight men are upset.  

 

You know, you could at least try rolling a female character, and see what Sera is like.  Unless you're going to dismiss her because she dared to have short hair. 

[Vindicare175]

They had the advantage last game too. Dragon Age seems to be focusing their romance content toward straight females.

 

Not that that bothers me too much. I have issues with the straight male options, and I wish they had done things differently. But straight girls having more options is not why I'm disappointed.

 

as to the two options we're getting being fantastic, I'm not sold.

 

DA2 was only by 1 however so not really a big deal. And as for the two options that's your opinion. 

[Super Drone]

DA2 was only by 1 however so not really a big deal. And as for the two options that's your opinion. 

 

Big deal or not, it was extra. And now there's two extra. That speaks to a trend.

[axlerzero]

Hello. OP here. I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who posted on this thread. The consensus on here is split whether they find the love interests attractive or not.  My opinion hasn't changed. I find the hetro male love interests unattractive, bland and limited. There should be more options for all sexual orientations. This is the reason why I made this topic, to make romance DLC.

 

Some people are happy as it is now, while others are not. So, to put everyone on the same playing field, have it as DLC. Why pay for something that you're not interested in? Simply apply the same mindset to something else. Would you buy a car with options in it you didn't want to have or didn't want to pay for? Even the computer most of you are using now, you picked and chose what you wanted in it. Why should I, and people with the same opinion, pay for something we're not going to use in the game? Perhaps Bioware could make different DLC's for romance options for different sexual orientations. Everybody wins. Thanks again.

[Docttj]

I'd like to see some horse romance options. In my characters canon my horse is my former boyfriend turned into a horse by an evil wizard but my characters still loves him

[Leo]

So, to put everyone on the same playing field, have it as DLC. Why pay for something that you're not interested in? Simply apply the same mindset to something else. Would you buy a car with options in it you didn't want to have or didn't want to pay for? Even the computer most of you are using now, you picked and chose what you wanted in it. Why should I, and people with the same opinion, pay for something we're not going to use in the game? Perhaps Bioware could make different DLC's for romance options for different sexual orientations. Everybody wins. Thanks again.

 

Because I'm paying for the whole package, not the pieces.

 

Honestly the Romance options are like a car radio: do I need it? Nah. Is it something I'll always use or enjoy? Eh sometimes, but most cars come with them anyway.

[Melca36]

Hello. OP here. I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who posted on this thread. The consensus on here is split whether they find the love interests attractive or not.  My opinion hasn't changed. I find the hetro male love interests unattractive, bland and limited. There should be more options for all sexual orientations. This is the reason why I made this topic, to make romance DLC.

 

Some people are happy as it is now, while others are not. So, to put everyone on the same playing field, have it as DLC. Why pay for something that you're not interested in? Simply apply the same mindset to something else. Would you buy a car with options in it you didn't want to have or didn't want to pay for? Even the computer most of you are using now, you picked and chose what you wanted in it. Why should I, and people with the same opinion, pay for something we're not going to use in the game? Perhaps Bioware could make different DLC's for romance options for different sexual orientations. Everybody wins. Thanks again.

 

And as stated before...you have been conditioned by pop culture to expect a particular idea of what beauty is.

 

Got news for you...times are changing.   Don't buy the game then.   Because you are not going to be seeing blond, big chested warrior women who wear little armor