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[StarcloudSWG]

I've read what the 'Dark energy' ending was supposed to be. It was an even more contrived, poorly justified, horribly convoluted ending than the one we got. With the added vileness of a thinly disguised 'stop using fossil fuels' message.

 

Indoctrination theory has a problem. It's a BIG problem. That problem is; Indoctrination Theory doesn't actually end the Reaper war. This is a bad thing.

 

Bioware wrote themselves into a corner. Then wrote themselves into a smaller, uglier corner full of non-euclidian angles in the hope that patching on the Deus Ex Human Revolution endings would make it better.

[Farangbaa]

Dark Energy is hilarious: turns out you were the bad guy, and the Reapers the good guys. The tears of the BSN would've been so good.

IT: isn't an ending.

[Dan Fango]

The only way I was able to finish playing the game pre extended cut was to role-play a Shep convinced she was fighting indoctrination. As for the whole dark energy thing, it obviously needed work, but could have been interesting given time. My favourite ending? Koobismo's Marauder Shields comic by a distance. Puts Mac and Casey to shame.

[Drone223]

^Its a good thing that the dark energy concept was scrapped since it wasn't developed properly in the 2nd game (mentioned in four mission three of which are optional), and was never tied in with the collectors. Not to mention that in the DE plot the reapers are trying to stop the spread of dark energy but create the mass relay's that generate more dark energy thus making the problem worse.

[Han Shot First]

I'm not a fan of the proposed Dark Energy ending, as it would have shifted the mass murdering Reapers into misunderstood 'good guys' and turned destroy Shep into the series' villain. 

 

 

The only thing it had going for it was that the series title, Mass Effect, would have made some sense. Also the Haestrom plot line would have been connected to the endings rather than being a dropped subplot.

 

Still, I think it would have actually been a worse ending than what shipped with the game in 2012.

[Dr. Megaverse]

Wow. Still?

[Signuversum]

Hey, twist with a "bad guy you've always been" served pretty well for one of 2K Games.

Spoiler

Yeah, I'm looking at you, Bioshock Infinite

But then, this topic again?

[ZipZap2000]

I would've been perfectly fine with ending it at "Best seats in the house." zoom out the window, fire the crucible, kill some squids, watch some cinematics, if you did X Shep lives but Y and Z means he doesn't survive being shot. Game over you may continue with unfinished missions, play dlc or begin a new play through with all upgrades and weapons.

[Han Shot First]

Couldn't you say that either way? I mean, the Reapers do believe they are doing a good thing, and you could argue that they, in fact, are. They are harvesting space-faring organics so that they don't destroy themselves. Then, I can't remember exactly what Leviathan said they programmed them to do, but I recall there being some good intentions which were simply interpreted in a different way. I don't think the Reapers can be called good or evil.

 

Maybe a label like evil doesn't exactly fit, because the Catalyst is just a product of some shitty programming. It's doing what it thinks it was designed to do. But regardless of its intent, the Catalyst has clearly been bad for sapient space faring life. It annihilates it every 50,000 years or so and these cycles of mass extinctions do not actually serve any higher purpose. 

 

At least in the shipped endings Shepard doesn't feel like a villain for blowing the Catalyst and all the Reapers to kingdom come. 

 

The Dark Energy ending would have been worse in actually giving the extinction cycles a higher purpose, and setting up Destroy Shep as a villain that condemns the universe to an accelerated heat death.

[AlanC9]

The Dark Energy ending would have been worse in actually giving the extinction cycles a higher purpose, and setting up Destroy Shep as a villain that condemns the universe to an accelerated heat death.

I'm starting to think that I would have really loved the Dark Energy plot. I think that finding out you were playing the villain all along would have been kinda awesome.

[Farangbaa]

Maybe a label like evil doesn't exactly fit, because the Catalyst is just a product of some shitty programming. It's doing what it thinks it was designed to do. But regardless of its intent, the Catalyst has clearly been bad for sapient space faring life. It annihilates it every 50,000 years or so and these cycles of mass extinctions do not actually serve any higher purpose. 

 

At least in the shipped endings Shepard doesn't feel like a villain for blowing the Catalyst and all the Reapers to kingdom come. 

 

The Dark Energy ending would have been worse in actually giving the extinction cycles a higher purpose, and setting up Destroy Shep as a villain that condemns the universe to an accelerated heat death.

 

Well it is doing what it was designed to do. Creating an AI with just the mandate of 'preserving life at all costs' just can't go right

[Paridave]

It's only controversial because it's so poorly written and theorizing about different endings is never going to change that.

[ShinsFortress]

I didn't like either "alternative ending".  The "Extended Cut" was less bad than those two, but still not sufficiently satisfactory.

 

I wouldn't have had a problem with an old school reunion with my Shep's LI or best friend, assuming the right choices and "plot points" as I call the overall readiness business.  Original?  No.  But 'depressing' I get in real life, so I would have preferred the option for an old school happy ending.  And "happy ending" would still have been a relative term, and optional depending on choices made.  After all, had not enough people and creatures died already?!

 

A certain Bioware employee, as he was, is largely responsible I think.  People can make mistakes.  Something they are big ones.  He (and Bioware's top brass) should have been more apologetic.

[The BS Police]

There should have been a 5th ending option where it's possible to get a happy ending via our choices/war assets. It's what we were promised from Bioware throughout Mass Effect 3's development.

[rapscallioness]

Hmm, well, Idk enough abt the Dark Energy ending, but from what I understood initially it seemed pretty cool. This mystery of sum dark energy killing the stars. What could it be? What's going on? But then I heard it was to be abt organics.....polluting the cosmos, or something. That's why the Reapers were to kill us every 50,000 years? Meh. That's boring. I would not have liked that to be the mystery.

 

The IT I thought was pretty cool, too---awhile back. But as someone mentioned it does not end the Reapers. Sooo, I don't want to still be fighting reapers. And the idea of a maybe offscreen defeat of the Reapers would just tick me off.

 

Also as someone else mentioned, I too woulda been happy with the ending being "Best seats in the house" line; Let the Beam take down the ships while you watch a cut scene or two with the war assets mopping up the mutated reaper ground forces. And End.

 

I don't think the Catalyst had good or bad intentions. I think it was just doing what it was programmed to do. But the thing is, it was Leviathan that programmed it, and their intentions were not good. They were just trying to keep organics alive so they could feed off them, one way or another. Alive and subservient. The Leviathan were friggin azzhats.

 

 

edit: Ooorrrr, the Leviathan had someone else program the Catalyst---um, because Leviathan suffered from Fat Fingers?--sum member of one of their slave races, and this person/ppl sabotaged it. lol! The Catalyst seriously turned on the Leviathan first. I could see some resistance element doing that, but then.....screwing it up or thinking the program would end with the Leviathan?

[Farangbaa]

There should have been a 5th ending option where it's possible to get a happy ending via our choices/war assets. It's what we were promised from Bioware throughout Mass Effect 3's development.

 

Hey BS police, you're talking BS. No one promised a happy ending.

[sveners]

Hey BS police, you're talking BS. No one promised a happy ending.

 

They did not. Then again..... which developer/writer/whatever has ever done that in the history of the world?

 

What Mac Walters did say was :

 

"The trick is, because it’s a BioWare game, there will be more than one ending. Which means there’s more than one ending to Shepard’s story. It’s not a matter of saying, “Here’s an optimal ending.” There’s gonna be different options, different endings."

 

More than one ending to Shepard's story depends on your point of view. IMO there's only one ending to Shepard's story. Death.

[Farangbaa]

Lol you change the galaxy in unthinkable ways, but you distill that down to 'Shepard is dead'.

 

Wonderful.

[Vazgen]

Unless you claim that Shepard is immortal, death will be the ending of Shepard's story anyway

[sveners]

Lol you change the galaxy in unthinkable ways, but you distill that down to 'Shepard is dead'.

 

Wonderful.

 

What?

 

That is the end of Shepard's story. It really is that simple. The end of Shepard's story is not curing the Genophage or not. It's not killing off the Geth or the Quarians, or neither. 

 

Lol.

[sveners]

Unless you claim that Shepard is immortal, death will be the ending of Shepard's story anyway

 

Is that an argument in this case? Everyone dies?

 

Wonderful.